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Wed Dec 16, 2020, 12:53 PM

The reason Trump is sure that Biden cheated

because he cheated. And the only way Biden could have beaten him cheating is by cheating.

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Reply The reason Trump is sure that Biden cheated (Original post)
Coleman Dec 2020 OP
chowder66 Dec 2020 #1
Walleye Dec 2020 #2
Behind the Aegis Dec 2020 #3
soothsayer Dec 2020 #4
Raster Dec 2020 #6
usaf-vet Dec 2020 #21
Raster Dec 2020 #22
Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2020 #38
Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #27
Behind the Aegis Dec 2020 #30
Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #36
DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #40
Ford_Prefect Dec 2020 #43
uponit7771 Dec 2020 #46
stopbush Dec 2020 #5
Raster Dec 2020 #7
stopbush Dec 2020 #8
Raster Dec 2020 #20
DBoon Dec 2020 #10
FSogol Dec 2020 #14
GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #16
peggysue2 Dec 2020 #9
Rural_Progressive Dec 2020 #33
pennylane100 Dec 2020 #41
jcgoldie Dec 2020 #11
dalton99a Dec 2020 #12
GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #13
machoneman Dec 2020 #19
Chainfire Dec 2020 #15
WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2020 #17
niyad Dec 2020 #31
MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #32
WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2020 #39
MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #42
LittleGirl Dec 2020 #18
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #23
budkin Dec 2020 #24
Old Crow Dec 2020 #25
Laelth Dec 2020 #47
czarjak Dec 2020 #26
MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #34
Marcuse Dec 2020 #28
onenote Dec 2020 #29
questionseverything Dec 2020 #44
IronLionZion Dec 2020 #35
housecat Dec 2020 #37
Kota Dec 2020 #45

Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 12:54 PM

1. Trump sure is acting like that's the case. nt

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 12:55 PM

2. He can't imagine winning a clean honest victory. He's pissed because he thinks we cheated better

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 12:55 PM

3. Agreed. Now, to find out where it happened.

I'd start with Iowa and Texas.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 12:58 PM

4. Florida

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:01 PM

6. I'd start with where they cheated last time....

...Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That's where they thought their "wall" would hold. However, I think our cyber security was too good this time.

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Response to Raster (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:34 PM

21. I'd start with Ron Johnson. I'll bet he knows exactly how, where and who setup the 2016 cheat.

If not why not he was/is the Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee.

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:36 PM

22. Yep, I'd bet on it.

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Response to Raster (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:54 PM

38. Start with those states that were supposed to be close but weren't

like Texas.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:23 PM

27. Don't forget Kentucky and Ohio!

And stay far away from small airplanes when you do.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:32 PM

30. KY, I'd doubt, and, honestly, I didn't follow OH that closely.

But, Iowa and Texas (in my neck of the woods), are IMO, "suspicious" and Florida...well, Florida.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:41 PM

36. It has been said that in a number of KY districts the vote counts for McConnell exceeded

the number of registered republicans by considerable margins. It was observed that the proportion of new registrations for Dem. or Rep. appeared to be inverted in the final tallies in a number of counties. Such efficiencies don't generally happen so neatly in real world numbers.

I'm not saying whether McConnell won or not. I'm saying the way he won seems remarkable, suspicious, and deserving of much closer examination.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:56 PM

40. My top three states to be investigated would be

Kentucky, Maine, SCarolina.........

They needed the incumbent RepubliCON Senators far more than they needed Trump to win.

To think that Russians/Putin didn't tamper with the state's elections is laughable......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:30 PM

43. Check which equipment, brands, and versions were used to count votes and tabulate the count

ES&S voting machinery are most vulnerable by intention. That doesn't rule out interference downstream at the regional or state level tally as previously was the case in Ohio. During one election the Ohio tallies were processed via an out of state server located in Tennessee which took in all the numbers from the districts in Ohio and then sent back a set of combined results which curiously disagreed with exit polls and on the ground observers. That happened prior to 2016.

Ohio has been bent since W ran.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:42 AM

46. Ukraine, USPS and telling his voters to vote twice multiple times. Ballot Drop off Boxes were the x

... factor that the Trump team didn't calculate to be as effective as they were.

People bypassed the USPS and dropped off too many ballots for them

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 12:58 PM

5. Cheaters and liars believe everyone else cheats and lies.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:02 PM

7. +1

It's the only frame of context they have... "I do it, they must do it."

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Response to Raster (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:09 PM

8. There's also the "everyone is out to fuck you over, so fuck them over first"

crowd.

Just as bad, maybe worse.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:33 PM

20. Oh, MUCH worse.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:17 PM

10. Breaking the law and winning means they are stronger than the law

Following the rules is for losers and wimps (meaning Liberals)

Real men stomp on the laws as they claw their way to domination

A society governed by raw power with no rules is what fascists crave

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Response to stopbush (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:44 PM

14. Correction: Republicans believe everyone else cheats and lies. n/t

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Response to stopbush (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:51 PM

16. They get totally invested in their own bullshit, too.

Like believing all their own lies about Biden supposedly being senile, corrupt, weak and stupid. They find it impossible to believe that 82 million people didn't swallow those lies the way they did.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:10 PM

9. I think Trump was absolutely assured that he'd win, one way or the other

In fact, I'd read that when the Florida results came in, Trump thought the election was in the bag, just like 2016.

So, you can imagine what a shock it was when things went south on Trump. His final count sounded like a winning score--he keeps repeating that vote count, 74 million.

The problem, of course, is that Joe Biden won over 81 million votes.

The Trumpers simply didn't see that huge number of Democratic voters coming, so the screaming and squawking started immediately.

Did they cheat/suppress the vote but not enough? I don't know.

But they're certainly bad losers.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:37 PM

33. Too many of us decided we had enough and did what we should do every 4 years

we voted.

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Response to Rural_Progressive (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:01 PM

41. Maybe we should should cut the presidential term to two years,

That is enough to make sure our leader is not corrupt. If she/he earns
the public trust, the people will reelect them.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:19 PM

11. This was all scripted from the beginning

He knows he didnít win and knew he wasnít going to. Thats why he started crying about fraudulent mail in ballots and nonsense about stopping counting on election night a month or more before the election. Thatís also why they pushed gop legislatures in the upper midwest not to count mail ballots early. He already knew heíd be ahead at some point when polls closed and he was counting on his home picked supreme court to carry his bullshit over the finish line if he could stir up enough doubt and confusion over the mail.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:19 PM

12. Trump cheated, and failed.

Exhibit A: Louis DeJoy

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:42 PM

13. He has also deluded himself into believing that rally "enthusiasm" translated to votes.

In his warped mind, Biden's (intentionally) smaller, more laid back rallies were somehow an indication that nobody likes him. So, how could Sleepy Joe win, when everyone loves MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE more???? When you are the leader of a cult of personality, it's hard to comprehend the idea that not everyone needs to worship the guy they elect as their president, as his flying monkey followers do him.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:24 PM

19. Yes, and all those rich white young men in powerboats with Trump flags meant an easy victory!

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 01:51 PM

15. Trump is much like the men that post on the gun forum that I monitor

He only hears voices from those who are just like him so he thinks that only some small minority fools don't agree with him. If everyone told you, for years, that the sky was really green, you may begin to believe that blue is really green.

How could a majority of Americans possibly reject him?

Of course, we don't know what he really thinks and you can't depend on a single word that comes out of his mouth, so we will never know if the "fraud" issue is just a another fraud, or whether he really believes it. Furthermore, it doesn't really matter.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:16 PM

17. Been saying this all along.

He can't believe that 80 million people voted for Biden, but we're supposed to believe that he got 7 million more votes than last time? They cheated all right. Not enough to take the White House again, but certainly enough to pick up House seats, and hold onto the Senate...for now. Personally, I think Vlad the Impaler got bored with Donald, realized he was never going to make it, and turned his sights onto crippling Biden by keeping Congress.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:34 PM

31. 81 million+

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:35 PM

32. I'm with 'ya, friend!!!

I think tRump "knew" the fix was in for him and "nothing to worry about."
Turns out the REAL vote total was more than enough to overcome the "fix" - and BunkerBoy went down the tube.
Makes you wonder how big the margin of votes would have been without the "help" for IQ45!?!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:54 PM

39. OMG...

OK, starting with the legit 81+million votes Biden got, and figuring the idiots in Trump's campaign believed their own propaganda, I'm figuring they thought that a 10% increase in Trump votes over 2016 would be enough to beat "Sleepy Joe". Remember that these are some of the same people the Mueller Report basically said didn't full out collude with the Russians because they were too stupid to figure out what they were being offered. Actually, they probably went up 20% because they wanted to insure the damn fool's margin was big enough to fit his ego. I'll bet in reality, they lost a lot of the people who voted for him in 2016.

So to get back to your original thought...I'd describe the real margin as "Kicked Ass".

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #39)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 04:14 PM

42. You nailed it!!!!

KICKED ASS indeed!!!!

And it was focused on IQ45 because of so many of the other "down-card" people that Joe did not help with the "coat-tail" effect. Too bad about that, especially for the Senate.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:21 PM

18. Why isn't this shouted out loud? nt

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:50 PM

23. Exactly

He was surrounded by advisors that assured him the fix was in....for him. That there was no way he could lose. All the voter suppression, postal subterfuge, FB disinformation, and all those judges he appointed. if/when they contested State results. All the Trumpist Governors. And if it ever got to it...the SCOTUS was their golden ticket backup.

And I'd bet that there were other illegal shenanigans going on we don't even know about.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 02:51 PM

24. Exactly... he can't comprehend how his plan failed

After all the voter suppression, spreading lies about USPS, and installing DeJoy to do his dirty work.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:01 PM

25. I agree with this interpretation 100%.

It explains Trump's unwavering, rock-solid conviction that Biden had to have won by massive fraud. His behavior, on the face of it, is puzzling because there's no evidence of widespread fraud whatsoever. The key that makes sense of it all is that Trump can't openly state what his conviction is based on: "I cheated, and yet he won -- so therefore, he HAD to have cheated."

Occam's Razor. It is the simplest explanation that explains Trump's otherwise absurd behavior.

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Response to Old Crow (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:48 PM

47. +1 n/t

-Laelth

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:05 PM

26. "We cheated fair and square" only works until it doesn't.

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Response to czarjak (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:38 PM

34. HA!!!!

And he might be claiming that by next week!

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:24 PM

28. "they all do it, they always have. And that's the way it is."


President Trump: The FBI Director is wrong. Because, frankly, it doesnít happen like that in life. Now, maybe it will start happening. Maybe today you think differently. But two or three years ago, if somebody comes into your office with oppo research-- they call it oppo research--with information that might be good or bad or something, but good for you, bad for your opponent, you donít call the FBI. I would guarantee you that 90 percent, could be 100 percent, of the congressmen or the senators over there, have had meetings--if they didnít they probably wouldnít be elected-- on negative information about their opponent. They donít--

Stephanopoulos: From foreign countries?

President Trump: Possibly. Possibly. But they donít call the FBI. You donít call the FBI every time you hear something that maybe--now, you see the people. The meeting, it also sounds to me--I donít know anything about that meeting--but it sounds to me like it was a big nothing. That meeting was a big nothing. But I heard about my son, who is a great young man, going to jail over a meeting where somebody said, ďI have information on Hillary Clinton.Ē Sheís the one that should be in jail. She deleted 33--[link:https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-news-oval-office-interview-president-donald-trump/story?id=63688943|

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:24 PM

29. So the Democrats witness, Chris Krebs, is lying?

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Response to onenote (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:10 PM

44. He didn't know about the russian hack that has been going on for months

So who knows

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:38 PM

35. The polls all showed bigger margin in Biden's favor

and big wins in the Senate and House and downticket races like a blue wave. So Trump exceeded the polling expectations and total votes from his 2016 election. They probably cheated in ways we can't prove, like voter suppression and deliberate misinformation.

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2020, 03:51 PM

37. What about Maine and the pig lady? They definitely cheated

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Response to Coleman (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2020, 11:02 AM

45. Yep, and hes stuck on his popular vote because that's how he wanted the cheat to go.

He's never gotten over HRC's popular vote and made sure that the cheat would give him big numbers. The cheat in 2016 was to steal a few swing states by padding a few votes here and there, suppress enough to pull out electoral win.

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