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Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:00 AM

If the repubs go after Hunter Biden, can Joe pardon him?

The issue with Hunter B is either a warning to back off investigating the Trump kids, or to even the playing field between them all.

If Trump issues pardons for his 3 spawn then Joe could do the same for Hunter, right.
Shut down the lifetime of investigating Huntet B before it begins.


I'd do it if I were President Joe, anyway.



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Reply If the repubs go after Hunter Biden, can Joe pardon him? (Original post)
Budi Dec 2020 OP
unblock Dec 2020 #1
Budi Dec 2020 #4
secondwind Dec 2020 #2
MichMan Dec 2020 #3
Budi Dec 2020 #6
RockRaven Dec 2020 #5
Budi Dec 2020 #8
denbot Dec 2020 #11
Budi Dec 2020 #14
denbot Dec 2020 #16
Budi Dec 2020 #18
tirebiter Dec 2020 #28
Freelancer Dec 2020 #12
RockRaven Dec 2020 #13
Budi Dec 2020 #17
RockRaven Dec 2020 #24
Retrograde Dec 2020 #7
Hortensis Dec 2020 #22
denbot Dec 2020 #9
Hortensis Dec 2020 #23
Freelancer Dec 2020 #10
Budi Dec 2020 #15
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #19
Budi Dec 2020 #20
Hortensis Dec 2020 #26
mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #27
Hortensis Dec 2020 #29
NanceGreggs Dec 2020 #21
eShirl Dec 2020 #25
keithbvadu2 Dec 2020 #30
duforsure Dec 2020 #31
UCmeNdc Dec 2020 #32
rusty fender Dec 2020 #33

Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:01 AM

1. Well he could, but then that makes Donnie pardoning his whole crooked family look almost legit.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:07 AM

4. Then so be it. Let NY prosecute the Trump kids.

Stop their bullshit.

No Fed charges for trumpkids, none for HB.
But NY may do what they must with Eric, Don jr, Jared & Ivanka if the findings proves a criminal.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:04 AM

2. I don't understand this post. Why do you ask this question?


Just sayin’.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:06 AM

3. Pardon him for what?

Joe has been very adamant that Hunter has done absolutely nothing wrong. Why would he feel a need to issue a pardon?

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Response to MichMan (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:11 AM

6. Should the GOP create cause & you know they will if they can.

Bogus as it may be, especially with Barr selecting Durham to handle it,

Was just a question. A hypothetical at this point

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:10 AM

5. If Hunter broke the law he should face the standard judicial system response to that...

What do you even mean by "repubs go after..." ? Specifically. What does that mean?

A pardon wouldn't prevent Congress from retaining any authority to conduct investigations or issue subpoenas that they would have had prior to said pardon. In fact, the appearance of corruption in issuing the pardon would INCREASE their grounds for investigations.

If you are suggesting that the DOJ is full of partisan hacks who will overreach for biased reasons.... Then the remedy is still not a pardon, it is getting rid of the biased partisan hacks for behaving unprofessionally.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:16 AM

8. Barr just hired Durham to investigate HB

Durham has as dirty ties to Ukraine as Guihliani.

The appointment of Durham is such that Biden can't undo. I believe it is a more specific position than just the DOJ.


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Response to Budi (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:22 AM

11. A special counsel must be appointed from outside government for this very reason.

Durham‘s appointment violates this rule, so his bullshit will go nowhere.

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Response to denbot (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:31 AM

14. Here: Durham can investigate anyone he chooses for whatever reason he suspects.

HB's name has come into this conversation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3793099001

Making John Durham a special counsel will cause problems for Biden
Now Democrats' Trump administration arguments will come back to haunt them.



It's like hiring Mueller. And it's difficult to get rid of him.
Barr set it up specifically for this reason.

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Response to Budi (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:39 AM

16. USA Today?

What, Russia Times’ website was down?

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Response to denbot (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:53 AM

18. The crass was unnecessary. The article originated from the Associated Press

Its an AP article picked up by several papers & I used the USA link because it was at the top of the page.

Google will give you others. Here's the headline.

Associated Press
Barr appoints special counsel in Russia probe investigation

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Response to Budi (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:43 AM

28. Durham's name is in the story. Hunter's is, at best, peripheral.

The assumption has to have foundation to be something to worry about.

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Response to Budi (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:29 AM

13. You are overstating the unassailable nature of Durham's position.

And even if you were not, the fact remains that if Hunter didn't break the law then he will prevail and if he did then he should suffer consequences.

The suggestion that Hunter should get special absolution because he's also gotten special scrutiny is unpalatable at best, but more like repugnant, imo.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:44 AM

17. You really believe Barr hired Durham because he's an upstanding guy who plays by the rule of law?

It won't matter if HB was actually clean as a whistle. We're talkung about the most globally corrupt organization hired to investigate an opponant.

Barr hired Durham for one specific reason. Because he's the right guy for the job. And that job is revenge and damage. Innocent or not.

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Response to Budi (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:19 AM

24. I think what I wrote was perfectly clear and said nothing of the sort.

I cannot prevent people from willfully misinterpreting it to give them a scarecrow to joust with, however.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:11 AM

7. Of course not! They're not Republicans!

I'd like to see some actual evidence of wrongdoing on Biden's part.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:16 AM

22. THIS. It's not a question of can, but would. Biden's not corrupt,

proven emphatically by his nearly 50-year record of honorable service.

Both the world press and government investigations in Ukraine found no evidence of any wrongdoing that could support a charge. If digging were to find some irregularity in Hunter's taxes, oh well for him. He would just have to take his lumps. That's how we roll.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:19 AM

9. We follow the rule of law.

If Hunter fucked up, he’ll pay the price. I have no doubt that President Biden (❤️Love typing that)
will do the honorable thing and let the justice system run it’s course.

Just like the state courts will handle the traitor tots.

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Response to denbot (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:17 AM

23. :) +1000.

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Response to Freelancer (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:36 AM

15. We're talking about a corrupt Durham hired specifically by Barr .

They create whatever they need for their end game.
With Durham's corrupt Ukraine ties it is not a stretch to believe they'd play by their own rules.



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Response to Budi (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:00 AM

19. Worst case scenario if HB ends up in trouble over some trumped up bullshit charge ...

Joe would totally be within his rights to pardon him.

And by the time that happens, IQ45 will have pardoned his spawn, and a bunch of them will likely be in legal trouble in various State systems, giving POTUS Biden ample cover to pardon HB, as long as whatever he did was not really serious ... which I'm SURE it will not be, if it's even anything.

PJB will not issue a pre-emptive pardon though of that I'm quite sure.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:07 AM

20. Thanks. THAT is the point I was asking about.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:26 AM

26. Remember the rule of law. Hunter won't be convicted for

some "trumped-up shit." No crime, nothing to pardon even if President Biden would.

Smearing Hunter as a surrogate for Biden in the court of public opinion with years of "the allegation the the crime" as they did the Clintons is a different matter. That's what they're up to.

Worth noting that continual investigations of the Clintons over 30 years turned up plenty of allegations of rape, murder, drug dealing, corruption, treason, vandalism and theft from the WH, etc, but nothing the malicious evildoers could somehow turn into a corrupt and unjust prosecution that could raise even the question of a pardon to rescue them. Even if it had, though, justice would have come, not through pardon, but by overturning a corrupt conviction through judicial appeals to higher courts.

It'd be the same for Hunter. They'll use him for the next 8 years to smear Democrats with "the allegation is the crime" but never prosecute for anything to justify the attention, and probably be unable to prosecute for anything at all.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:36 AM

27. Yes, well ... I don't know Hunter Biden nearly like I feel I know Bill and Hillary ...

I mean ... dude was administratively discharged from the military for having cocaine in his blood ... Not that I'm judging ... I've probably spilled more blow than Hunter Biden's ever done let me be clear on that

Not sure I feel 100% confident asserting there's no chance Hunter Biden broke ANY law that could possibly get him into some sort of trouble.

Sorry, I just don't ... know the dude.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 05:00 AM

29. Well, given his lifelong substance abuse, maybe they could prove

crimes within the statute of limitations. You raise an interesting vulnerability, of course. Guessing political persecution of a president's son leading to prosecution for drug use would run the risk of backlash, so I still guess they'd stick to smearing him and Biden in the court of public opinion and stay away from real courts.

Actionable tax evasion's another matter, if they were to find it. I don't know him either, but we know them.
They want to smear Biden while deflecting from Trump's legal problems, of course, and would make as much distracting Hunter "they do it" hay as they can. An undeclared hangnail would work for that purpose.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:11 AM

21. Pardon him for what?

For being targeted by the Repubs?

Last time I checked, that is not a criminal offense.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 04:23 AM

25. Joe isn't corrupt, so he won't.

I'm sorry, is Hunter Biden guilty of something?

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 06:56 AM

30. Quid pro quo(s) all around

Quid pro quo(s) all around

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 07:49 AM

31. Isn't accepting a pardon an admission of guilt?

Biden would never grant one for him, knowing he's done nothing wrong. He knows this is just another PR stunt like trumps used against Hillary, and something he (trump) can claim Hunter and his dad are corrupt to his easily duped followers with. trump also uses this as a distraction from him and his kids corruption legal woes heading very soon their way.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 08:01 AM

32. It seems to me the most trouble Hunter Biden could be in is Tax problems

If so he will just have to pay the fines. It has nothing to do with Joe Biden except being concerned about his son's well being.
The same thing might apply if they find some old substance abuse problem. Hunter Biden will be judged accordingly. It has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

In a way, Joe Biden should let them investigate, get it all out in the open, then move on.

Then tell Trump and his family to let the DOJ do the same processes with them concerning their Tax affairs and other possible illegal activities. Get it all out in the open.

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Response to Budi (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2020, 09:09 AM

33. I heard on a radio show yesterday

 

that the State of Delaware is investigating Hunter Biden. The show is the Rick Unger Show and he is a Democrat and a lawyer.

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