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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:11 PM Dec 2020

Wouldn't a non-specific Trump self-pardon, upheld by SCOTUS,

have the effect of crowning Joe Biden king ? It puts him above the law, plain and simple.
In fact, as an example, couldn't JB round up every member of the Trump gang and throw them in Guantanamo with the lame excuse "some people were saying" they took military secrets with them and would otherwise sell them to our enemies. Doesn't have to be true because JB would be outside the justice system. Trump caged innocent children who posed far less of a threat to our national security.

Is Trump really thinking through his abuse of the pardon power of POTUS, it could bite him on the ass?

Same deal with Trump resigning, "POTUS for a day' Pence granting him a non-specific pardon. If that's allowed to stand and Pence and then Harris are complicit, JB is effectively a king.

We really gotta tighten up some of the mechanics of our constitution.We're heading for a cliff and I believe even Trump will apply the brakes but then again I thought HRC would be elected.

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Wouldn't a non-specific Trump self-pardon, upheld by SCOTUS, (Original Post) Pantagruel Dec 2020 OP
No too long ago an adminstration argued it had the unreviewable authority to kill any American. PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #1
Rs get away with it, knowing Ds will NEVER do the same intrepidity Dec 2020 #2
Dems are pissed Pantagruel Dec 2020 #5
The hypothetical doesn't argue Pantagruel Dec 2020 #3
That's why SCOTUS will never support a self pardon from any president. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #4
Impeachment intrepidity Dec 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Dec 2020 #6
I wonder why that was? intrepidity Dec 2020 #9
Ahem...in 2016 we did elect HIllary. tRUMP won the ratfucking. abqtommy Dec 2020 #7
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
5. Dems are pissed
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:35 PM
Dec 2020

not sure Trump will risk himself , betting on the Dem's tendency to do the right thing. He tends to project his flaws on others. The Pence gambit hinges on Pence's willingness to throw away his future, such as he perceives it, which is why I question that hypothetical.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
3. The hypothetical doesn't argue
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:23 PM
Dec 2020

execution, just detention. I find it hard to believe any SCOTUS is going to allow a non-specific Trump self-pardon. But been surprised before.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,544 posts)
4. That's why SCOTUS will never support a self pardon from any president.
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:29 PM
Dec 2020

If self pardons were allowed, what would stop a president from assassinating all the Trump appointed justices?

If self pardons were legal, not only would a president become a King, he would become an invulnerable Terminator, capable of killing or ordering killings of who ever he pleases, with impeachment his only potential consequence.

intrepidity

(7,272 posts)
8. Impeachment
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 06:02 PM
Dec 2020

One argument is that impeachment is supposed to stop, or punish, those actions.

Of course, founders never anticipated a thoroughly corrupt POTUS *and* Senate.

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