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Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:21 PM

Not that it would happen, BUT If RUMP accepts pardon, after Jan 20th could the House

Call him to testify to track his MONEY?

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Reply Not that it would happen, BUT If RUMP accepts pardon, after Jan 20th could the House (Original post)
bluestarone Dec 2020 OP
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:42 PM

1. Trump

Yes, his 5th. Amendment rights against self-incrimination would no longer apply, but Bidenís AG would have to be ready to enforce the House subpoena which Donnie would try to ignore.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 04:50 PM

2. a pardon isn't considered "accepted" until the recipient presents it in court

so first, donnie would have to be indicted for something covered by the pardon. generally speaking, unless there's already a case in progress, the doj would normally never bother with a futile exercise like that. but in theory, they could.

at that point, most people with pardons would produce that pardon in court to dismiss the charges, and that would be that, but the pardon would be considered "accepted" at that point.

donnie, however, would probably milk the situation for headlines, stall the legal process through other means, cry 'witch hunt' in the media, but *not* introduce the pardon while the whole process lets him play victim. eventually, maybe right before a trial, he'd produce the pardon and again, the case would be over, and at that point, the pardon would be "accepted".


the house can subpoena him at any point. he has 5th amendment rights until he's accepted the pardon. if he's questioned by the house after the pardon has been accepted, then he no longer has the right to refuse testimony, but that is limited to possible crimes covered by the pardon.

so for instance, if he was pardoned for federal tax evasion, he could still refuse to testify about tax crimes if that would expose him to state-level criminal liability.

if there were no potential criminal liability in any other jurisdiction, then he would have no basis to refuse to answer the question.


that, of course, is when he then says, "i don't remember".

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Response to unblock (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 05:26 PM

3. Can count on you!! TY

I look forward to SOMETHING that gets THIS family. Just want them to lose everything they own! ( My BIG WISH for Christmas i guess) tks again!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 05:31 PM

4. i'm not particularly optimistic about anything happening to him at the federal level

i assume he'll get a blanket pardon from president pence on the morning of january 20.

i don't see them aggressively enforcing a subpoena against him while he's still got sway over millions.

new york state (and maybe a few others), on the other hand, could certainly go after him, though even there, i suspect he'll end up just paying a massive fine, no prison time.

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Response to unblock (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 05:35 PM

5. Yes My wish is for state charges only.

Like you i'm sure NOTHING Federal! (unless of some screw up on RUMPS side)

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