My guesses on the redacted names on the DoJ Presidential bribery for pardon investigation.

[Botany]

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Bribe taker Donald Trump

Bribers (there were 2) Lev Parnas & Igor Fruman

Person or persons who will be pardoned or have been pardoned? Paul Manafort and or Michael Flynn.
Edit thanx to smart DUers it could be Rick Gates too.

Manafort and Gates would be good choices because they fed data analytics to the Russians to the
Russians so they could rat fuck the 2016 elections.

"Even as he was working for the Trump campaign, Manafort continued to communicate with Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian employee of his consulting business who the FBI says was linked to Russian intelligence, prosecutors said in court papers last year."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/revelations-about-manaforts-2016-interactions-with-russian-associate-show-special-counsels-intense-focus-on-russia-contacts/2019/01/13/0f3733dc-144b-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html

Intermediary Rudy Giuliani


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Will Trump supporters still back him if it is shown that he took a bribe to help the very people who have
screwed with America and our elections? My guess is yes.

[lisa58]

1. Agree

[TEB]

2. To quote a friend

Trump could eat a unborn fetus in the rose garden. And his base would still support him.

[Botany]

18. Trump is being kept alive by using monoclonal antibodies that uses "ground up dead babies"

in their production. aka fetal stem cell lines And his fundy base doesn't care.

[apcalc]

3. And his kids... and his campaign people...

And maybe senators like Graham and reps like Marr Gaetz...

I put nothing past any of them....taking bribes so their dad/buddy would pardon criminal associates...

[Mike 03]

4. When I guessed Parnas yesterday, I was told it couldn't be him

because he's not in Federal prison. But he fits because the experts said it is someone whose last name ends in an "S".

It is also a short last name, and the redacted name only contains five or six characters (supposedly).

I don't know, though.



EDIT: Two more reasons I like Parnas:

1. I was told "Lev Parnas has no money." It is exactly guys like Parnas that know how to hide money.

2. It makes sense that Parnas' emails were being monitored, because he has been indicted and may even be the subject of a counterespionage investigation.

Also: He would have to pay for a pardon, because he is perceived to have betrayed Trump. No free pardons for him.

FWIW, I think DeJoy is aiming for a pardon. And he's one of the people I most want to see prosecuted.

[dem4decades]

12. I would think DeJoy would be exposed to criminality in State court. He was attempting to deny

voting rights in state elections, IMO.

[Buckeyeblue]

5. The person the pardon is for went to prison this past summer

Manafort knows his pardon is coming. And if it doesn't, he can spill his guts about everything.

I think it is someone off the radar who has a great deal of money. But no obvious names come to mind.

[Mike 03]

6. Somebody suggested Harvey Weinstein.

His last name is a bit long, but maybe it's not true that the last name ends in an "S" and only contains five or six characters.

Did any corporate bigwigs or financial high-flyers go to prison over the summer?

I also thought of somebody like Bernie Madoff, but he went to prison a long time ago.

What a mystery.

My mischievous fantasy is that it is El Chapo Guzman. But he went to prison last summer.

[Buckeyeblue]

7. And Harvey is in state prison so is out of reach of Trump.

I thought Madoff too. But I can't imagine he has the money or the influence any longer. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump pardoned Madoff, one grifter looking after another.

This will be interesting to see play out.

[calimary]

13. Manafort for sure. He's "been a good boy."

Kept his mouth shut.

[JI7]

14. Maxwell ?

[Walleye]

8. I think that's pretty close to the truth. But you never know with this gang

[lastlib]

10. I think you are correct that his supporters will still back him.

To them, this is fake news, witch hunt, and those seeking the pardons were victims because they were tRumpers.

I suspect the subject of the pardon is Rick Gates. Short name ends in 's', and he's in custody. Though I don't know if he has the wherewithal to pay the bribe. Idle speculation. It'll have to play out a little longer....But I so want to see AnusFace burn for this, and his other crimes.

[gab13by13]

11. Someone else posted here a name I didn't recognize,

it was a friend of Alan Dershowich who is in prison.

[Yeehah]

15. Yeah, Giuliani is the dirtbag selling pardons

No doubt in my mind.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

16. Maybe George Nader. nt

[zentrum]

17. They will still back him because

…..they believe the accusations are "fake news" to begin with.

A Hillary plot.

Their bubble is sealed.

[getagrip_already]

20. it's worse than that...

His supporters know it's true. They know he is a lying grifter. They just don't care. They know it's a con and like the idea of being in on it.

End of story. People are shits.

[getagrip_already]

19. redaction sleuths thin the persons name is.....

either 5 or 6 letters and ends in an "S". That is after painstaking review of the redactions themselves.

So if that is the case, it isn't either flynn or rudy. It could be Rick Gates, but really, why?

It has to be someone wealthy enough and exposed enough to try to pull this off. It likely went through rudy, which is how the fbi probably found out about it, but it isn't rudy directly.

[mn9driver]

21. Of course they will still back him.

Being a Trump supporter no longer has anything to do with reality. Supporting Trump is now in the same class as being a flat earther. Watch the Flat Earth documentary “Behind The Curve” and you will see into the mind of a Trump supporter.

I expect that Trump will continue to have rallies, people will still go to them, they will continue to donate money to him, and Trump merchandise will still sell like hotcakes to the faithful. We will still see Trump parades, Trump signs and Trump flags.

His cult will continue to worship him and seek his favor. Even if he goes to jail, his cult will support him. In spite of the election results, America is still in a very, very dangerous place.

[Botany]

23. You would think that the 1/4 million dead and Trump/Kushner trying to make money ...

... off of the global pandemic by buying H.C.Q. (hyrdoxicholoroquine) and making their
own C-19 test kit (which failed) might give 'em pause but still many still "loves themselves
some Trump." And these people overall Trump would have nothing to do with them
personally except to fleece them and get together for his super spreader events.

[Harker]

22. He could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave...

blah blah blah.

[AllaN01Bear]

24. a theroy if i may: a friend of mine and i have been entertaining the thought

that trump resigns 2 weeks before swearing in of mr joe biden and ms harris , and pence is sworn in and pardons prez lardbottom. this dovetails to this in my mind . just a theory and my opinion. have a great day du.