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IF this family PARDON plan is true, (which i'm sure it IS) (Original Post) bluestarone Dec 2020 OP
Of course it's true. They stood by whole 260,000 people died. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #1
YES! bluestarone Dec 2020 #2
I don't care. We have millions out of works, thousands dead of Covid ...I want help sent to Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #3
I'm All for the AG to do the work bluestarone Dec 2020 #5
Yep, that is how it supposed to work...remember how it was with Clinton and the AG who Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #22
NY State AG's office has the goods on the lot of them. paleotn Dec 2020 #13
At the state level...go get him...hopefully massive fines to help pay for the covid he caused to Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #21
Of course it is. Our government became a criminal enterprise while most dewsgirl Dec 2020 #4
Did anyone NOT think Trump would try to sell pardons? C_U_L8R Dec 2020 #6
How the fu--k the Senate GOP was not made to pay exboyfil Dec 2020 #7
Hell wouldn't suprise me bluestarone Dec 2020 #8
It is going to make the Iran Contra pardons look like a kiddy show exboyfil Dec 2020 #9
47.1% of voters to be exact. paleotn Dec 2020 #11
More for the Senate races exboyfil Dec 2020 #12
His final pardon will be to pardon himself for taking bribes for pardons... paleotn Dec 2020 #10
How can you pardon someone that hasn't been convicted of a crime? What are these doc03 Dec 2020 #14
That's what I want to know. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2020 #16
That's what Ford gave to Nixon MiniMe Dec 2020 #18
It is a good question. The Ford pardon of Nixon was never tested in court. yellowcanine Dec 2020 #19
You don't ask for a pardon unless you are guilty of a crime. rickyhall Dec 2020 #25
On TRMS they are discussing preemptive pardons CrispyQ Dec 2020 #15
Don't let a Federal pardon get in the way. State charges will save the day! abqtommy Dec 2020 #17
If they haven't committed crimes, they wouldn't need pardons. sinkingfeeling Dec 2020 #20
State charges will have to have the most severe charges and outcomes BigmanPigman Dec 2020 #23
And THIS is why the Constitution provided for an impeachment process AND an election process Mr. Ected Dec 2020 #24

onecaliberal

(32,489 posts)
1. Of course it's true. They stood by whole 260,000 people died.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:53 PM
Dec 2020

The grifting mother fuckers need to die in prison.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
3. I don't care. We have millions out of works, thousands dead of Covid ...I want help sent to
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:55 PM
Dec 2020

the people. If Trump pardons them what can we charge them with. Turn it over to the AG and to the states.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
22. Yep, that is how it supposed to work...remember how it was with Clinton and the AG who
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:35 PM
Dec 2020

briefly shared a tarmac. But we do need to try to enact laws that will stop a president from controlling justice...assuming we get the Senate. The imperial presidency is a threat to our Republic.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
21. At the state level...go get him...hopefully massive fines to help pay for the covid he caused to
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:33 PM
Dec 2020

to increase in his worthless presidency.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
4. Of course it is. Our government became a criminal enterprise while most
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:57 PM
Dec 2020

people weren't paying attention.

bluestarone

(16,722 posts)
8. Hell wouldn't suprise me
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 10:15 PM
Dec 2020

If some of the senate rethugs were getting pardons as well. (there is gonna be probably the most pardons EVER from this asshole)

exboyfil

(17,857 posts)
9. It is going to make the Iran Contra pardons look like a kiddy show
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 10:17 PM
Dec 2020

Every GOP administration the corruption gets worse and worse.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
10. His final pardon will be to pardon himself for taking bribes for pardons...
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 10:19 PM
Dec 2020

I detest executive clemency. The only good thing the orange blob has done is he's shown us everything that's wrong with presidential power. Tradition and etiquette are no way to rein in a rogue executive. Our Constitution needs some work. A whole lot of work.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
14. How can you pardon someone that hasn't been convicted of a crime? What are these
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 10:37 PM
Dec 2020

pardons for? Crimes that they haven't even been charged with or future crimes they commit?

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
19. It is a good question. The Ford pardon of Nixon was never tested in court.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:04 PM
Dec 2020

The concept of pardoning for uncharged crimes is really unethical it seems to me. How does the person giving the pardon know what all of the crimes are? It seems to me that this is a flaw in the pardon process.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
23. State charges will have to have the most severe charges and outcomes
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:41 PM
Dec 2020

to even start to make up this misjustice. I want the states to throw the book at them and I want the final sentencing to be the maximum allowed for such crimes.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
24. And THIS is why the Constitution provided for an impeachment process AND an election process
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:53 PM
Dec 2020

Fucking Senate should have sent him packing in February. Then none of this pardon shit would even be an issue now.

And God knows Pence wouldn't be much better, but surely he wouldn't have punted on COVID like Trump did.

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