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Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:09 PM

No, White Women Didn't Vote for Trump

https://politicalwire.com/2020/12/01/no-white-women-didnt-vote-for-trump/

I've read this bs several times recently, so am happy for this clarification.

No, White Women Didn’t Vote for Trump
December 1, 2020 at 11:00 am EST By Taegan Goddard


Jonathan Chait: “White women voted for Trump. Or so you have probably heard. In the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump’s 2016 victory, the finding from early exit polls that 53 percent of white women voted for Trump formed the basis for a million social-media posts, op-eds, and rally placards. That this “fact” is not true is not even close to the biggest problem with its ubiquitous place in progressive social-justice discourse.”

“The 53 percent figure turned out to be erroneous, and corrected analyses eventually pegged Trump’s share of the white female electorate closer to 47 percent. Nonetheless, the impulse that propelled so many writers to blame white women for electing Trump proved strong enough to survive even after the factual basis was undercut. Indeed, left-wing opinion writers continued churning out polemics based on the erroneous 53 percent figure for years.”

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Reply No, White Women Didn't Vote for Trump (Original post)
babylonsister Dec 2020 OP
Pantagruel Dec 2020 #1
LizBeth Dec 2020 #4
spooky3 Dec 2020 #6
Dorian Gray Dec 2020 #52
Withywindle Dec 2020 #55
Pantagruel Dec 2020 #11
Hortensis Dec 2020 #16
BainsBane Dec 2020 #18
Dorian Gray Dec 2020 #53
stopdiggin Dec 2020 #30
lame54 Dec 2020 #38
LizBeth Dec 2020 #2
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #8
LizBeth Dec 2020 #15
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #33
LizBeth Dec 2020 #34
BainsBane Dec 2020 #19
LizBeth Dec 2020 #27
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #35
Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #32
Dorian Gray Dec 2020 #54
Laelth Dec 2020 #3
Arne Dec 2020 #5
Budi Dec 2020 #7
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #10
Budi Dec 2020 #12
spooky3 Dec 2020 #9
JI7 Dec 2020 #13
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #31
JI7 Dec 2020 #43
madeup64 Dec 2020 #49
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #51
Squinch Dec 2020 #14
Hortensis Dec 2020 #20
cwydro Dec 2020 #36
Hekate Dec 2020 #47
radius777 Dec 2020 #17
BainsBane Dec 2020 #23
JI7 Dec 2020 #44
stillcool Dec 2020 #21
BainsBane Dec 2020 #24
WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #22
BainsBane Dec 2020 #25
madeup64 Dec 2020 #50
mathematic Dec 2020 #26
Hortensis Dec 2020 #28
CatLady78 Dec 2020 #29
pinkstarburst Dec 2020 #37
BainsBane Dec 2020 #40
IronLionZion Dec 2020 #39
BainsBane Dec 2020 #41
Blue_true Dec 2020 #42
StevieM Dec 2020 #45
Hekate Dec 2020 #46
Celerity Dec 2020 #48

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:13 PM

1. That 47% of white women

voted for a self-admitted , sexual predator disturbs me greatly.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:15 PM

4. What was the percentage of white men that voted for the vile misogynist racist disturbs me, or the

percentage of black and Hispanic men that voted for him disturbs me. Or old testament Christians disturb me.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:26 PM

6. 62% of white male voters voted for Trump, per Pew Research, which also produced the 47% figure for

white women. Their data and methods are superior to exit polls.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 07:13 AM

52. But...

BUT!!!! but!!! But!!!! White WOMEN are the problem. (Sarcasm.)

Look, it's problematic that 47 percent of the electorate (which it appears white women matched almost exactly) voted for a lying, crime-ing, disgusting POS. Absolutely.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 07:45 AM

55. that's what i thought.

I'm not saying the MINORITY of white women who voted for Dump shouldn't be yelled at, they absolutely should, but the 62% of white men is a much bigger number. A MAJORITY of white men.

I understand the white men here on this site did not vote for him. I do want the white men here to understand that white men who vote for Trump do not listen to what anyone who is not a straight white man has to say. If they did, they wouldn't vote for him. I want to know what straight white Democratic men are doing to change their peers' minds. You are literally the only people they're willing to listen to.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:44 PM

11. In a year that the first woman ran

nearly one in two white women chose to vote for a sexual predator. To me that's stunning!

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:52 PM

16. But now less stunning than you've been stunned by for 4 years, right? nt

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:57 PM

18. It also disturbs me

That 62% of white men voted for Trump, yet somehow nobody rings their hands over that.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 07:14 AM

53. Seriously

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:16 PM

30. the fact that incrementally less

white women voted for a racist slime ball populist -- than other portions of our electorate does not reassure me in any great degree.

(and the point made in the OP? -- seems hardly any point at all. IMO)
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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 05:51 PM

38. RepubliKarens

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:13 PM

2. I was just told sexism is not a man issue, that women are responsible too. So now we are blamed for

our rape and abuse equally with the man raping. Thank you for the clarity. Many of us were initially suggesting waiting for fact, but this was too juicy for facts when able to point the finger at white women.

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Response to CatLady78 (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:51 PM

15. I am right there with you on your post.

At the point of middle age white women apologizing for asking a question or clarifying they are not being a Karen to express a view, I certainly have an issue. Just another damn way to dismiss and shut women up.

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Response to CatLady78 (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:49 PM

34. +1

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:58 PM

19. We are Eve with the apple

who absolves the great majority of white men of responsibility for their own actions.

It's a story as old as misogyny. Even when a majority didn't vote for Trump, white men blame us. Meanwhile, they wring their hands about the poor, exploited rural white men who voted for Trump.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:09 PM

27. Right on sister. The Eve story is so indicative of the weak and cowardly triumphing as success. Lol

I mean for women to the end of time being blamed cause Adam made the choice to do wrong while blaming another for his actions totally says it all.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:44 PM

32. Those two things don't seem related at all.

We know how many white women voted for Trump. Pew puts it at over 50%. Pew is pretty solid, and, personally, I'll believe them ove exit polling. So it's not about placing blame on white women because they are white women, but because, you know, they fucking voted for him more than they did for Biden. But even if exit polling is correct, it's STILL 47%.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 07:20 AM

54. Wait?

Exit polling had them at 56 percent. Pew had them at 47 percent.

Sure both numbers are disturbing.

But I think you have them backwards.

I will also say that I find any vote for Trump disturbing. Whether it's from a white woman OR white man, or from any other conceivable racial/religious/gender identifier. Because he's an awful person and a racist, and I believe a vote for him means you're comfortable with racism and lies.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:16 PM

5. The insane screaming idiots and 'please grab me here' T shirts at his rallies

may have had that effect.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:26 PM

7. 80,000,000+ people voted for Biden.

People of all sizes, shapes, ethnicities, religions, political leaning, food preference, hairstyles, height, language, vacation & entertainment preferances, family style, bank accounts, sq footage of living space, vehicle(s), type of pets, hours of sleep needed, vitamins & meds they take, liquor or sober, beach or snow climate preferred, ...

IT WAS A VOTING BLOCK UNITED FOR ONE PREFERRED TYPE OF GOV'T OVER ANOTHER.

One person One vote.& every voter was as significant to Nov's success as the next.

America showed up.

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Response to CatLady78 (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:44 PM

12. Lol. We could start a whole nother post just for pet lovers

Everybody has a pet. Domestic or wild.

Well, except for Donald J Trump 😬.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:28 PM

9. Here is a link to the full article by Chait:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/did-white-women-vote-for-trump-no.html

It's an EXCELLENT article - please read.

One point I wish he had included is in response to the admonition that white women need to convince their "sisters" not to vote for Trump. White women are 41% of the electorate, per Pew Research. This is the biggest demographic group in the electorate -- tens of millions of people, who live in every state. How exactly is a Democratic white woman living in an east coast metro area supposed to have even a passing social acquaintance with a Republican white woman living in rural Nebraska, let alone be in a position to influence her successfully? And, no one suggests that white men need to convince other white men to vote for Dems, even though this group is nearly as big as that of white women but far more likely to be Trump/GOP voters, so there is much more potentially to gain--why not?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:47 PM

13. White men should be shamed for supporting Trump also

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Response to CatLady78 (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 12:58 AM

43. White Hetero Xtian Men are the only group where MAJORITY Voted FOR Trump

Every other group the majority voted for Biden. There were some groups that voted more than they should have but it wasn't majority.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 02:17 AM

49. White men get off with no blame to often

As a 40 year old white male we are certainly the reason we had to suffer Trumpism. Let's talk more about white male fragility.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:48 PM

14. I'm bookmarking this because I would bet my house that this blame of white women will

not go away simply because of facts.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:59 PM

20. Yup. Too useful for racists, women-haters, self-haters,

far-left hostiles, RW hostiles, venal click-bait chasers. You bet. The current hate on against white women is enormous. And every bit as contemptible as hate against any other group.

Quoting truth to every DU post spreading bigoted hate against white women would cut it down big time here, though.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:55 PM

36. Yup.

I was accused of being “triggered” when I expressed my option about this white women canard.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:22 AM

47. And you would be right about that

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:56 PM

17. White women should be called out just like

any other group (eg some Latino groups, some black men, etc) who went for Trump despite his hatred against their demographic group.

Let's face facts, since 9-11 there has been something going on with a segment of white women, that manifests itself in the 'security mom' stuff, then the recent Karen stuff, and the fact that alot of them are die-hard Trumpers.

Nobody brings up white men because that's a 'dog bites man' story that we already know the answer to.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:02 PM

23. white men constantly bring up white women

to absolve their own demographic of its far greater complicity with evil. The point is to blame those with less power--including Latinos and the small percentage of black men--in order to prop up unfettered white male power.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:01 AM

44. White Women ARE called out and Shamed for it. ANd White Women who voted for Hillary said they were

disgusted by the large number of white women that voted for Trump.

But when it comes to white men people think we should coddle them.

WHy not disgust and shame towards White men who vote and support Trump in HUGE ASS NUMBERS ?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:00 PM

21. it was those black men...

and Cuban Americans, as well as Venezuelan's? I think. That's all it took. Got to love those polls.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:04 PM

24. Actually, it was the majority of white men

Without them, Republicans wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:00 PM

22. Oh thank god, I was worried white women might have to examine their role in the U.S.'s

white supremacy. Looks like we're good for another four years, when they break for the Republican candidate again!

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:06 PM

25. this would be an example

of your own involvement in the discourse you refused to acknowledge over the weekend. Just as they blame white women, they wring their hands over the poor white men whom Democratic "messaging" didn't address adequately. The goal of this discourse is to absolve the majority of white men for their own actions by targeting women and in the process propping up white male power. White men are victims, despite voting in the 60s for Trump, while white women are the perpetual enemy.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 02:30 AM

50. Bainsbane what a perfect summation

I would add that no one is saying we can't have a discussion about white women and their votes. Let's just be honest about why we have Trump, white men. We white men are to blame and need to own this.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:08 PM

26. In 2016 he won white women 47% to 45% for Clinton. We'll have to wait for 2020

There's reason to believe that this year's exit polls are more accurate than 2016's because they include widespread telephone polling due to the pandemic. And it's not like they didn't learn anything from the mistakes they made in the 2016 polling.

Trump got 46% of the overall vote and outperformed with white women by 1%, winning the white woman vote 47% to 45%. The exit polling said 53% of white women.

This year trump looks like he'll get 47% of the vote. The exit polling says 55% of white women.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 04:10 PM

28. The determined bigotry against "white women" in this thread alone

is staggering. I'm not going to argue the indecency and dishonesty of that. Obviously we're running up against an entrenched hostility as intransigent here as anything trumpists are prone to.

Below's a relatively more neutral fact that needn't be so determinedly knee-jerked into oblivion. Those inclined may enjoy claiming it "proves" everything has always been all the fault of white women. (! )

For others, it'll probably just be a reminder that significant numbers of white women have always been an important, indispensable force behind every civil rights advance America has made in the last century. NONE of it could have happened without belief and commitment among white women to equality.

White women are 41% of the electorate, per Pew Research. This is the biggest demographic group in the electorate...

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:28 PM

40. and that has absolutely nothing to do with voting

as comments here demanding that white women--directed at Democrats--should examine themselves reveal. Obviously Republican voters are happy with their decisions and won't examine why they vote GOP. So that hostility is directed against women here, and because we vote Democrat it's clear it has nothing to do with our voting behavior.

I recall that in 2016 this argument was used by some men to argue that the Democratic party should abandon abortion rights, despite the fact a majority of Americans support them. What it showed is that white men are desperate to get white women back under their thumbs. That is NEVER going to happen.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 05:56 PM

39. Way too many people voted for Trump

regardless of demographics, it's too many. It shows weakness in our election chances if an authoritarian asshole like that runs again but is actually competent and has competent people working for him.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:29 PM

41. True

It shows something deeply disturbing about a sizable segment of the American population's eagerness to go along with authoritarianism. That couldn't be made clearer by their ongoing efforts to overturn a popular election.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #41)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 12:18 AM

42. That 74 million people voted for Trump is beyond belief.

We have to admit that a large number of Americans live in a world where competence, honesty, compassion and decency don’t matter at all.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:02 AM

45. The exit polls from 2016 were also shown to have overstated his performance among Latino voters.

Later studies clearly showed that HRC improved on Obama's numbers and won an even greater share of the Hispanic vote.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:18 AM

46. Thank you, Babylonsister

So, 47% of white women voted for Trump, as did 62% of white men.

While it gags me that anybody in their right mind could ever vote for Trump, the fact remains that if you are going to beat one gender about the head and shoulders, it should not be on the basis that “over half of white women voted for Trump.”

I’ve mentioned once or twice — or maybe a dozen by now— that I have had it up to my teeth with that canard. Left-wing opinion writers, as Chait refers to them, should be asking why significantly fewer women than men voted for Trump; or put another way, why significantly more men than women did so.



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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2020, 01:41 AM

48. Jonathan Chait? LOL, the hack who said that liberals should want a Trump nomination and Trump might

even be good for the country. Probably the worst single article ever written on Trump. If credibility were expressed as a temperature, Chait's wouldn't melt an ice cube.

Hard pass on whatever smug, sanctimonious pontificating (his go-to style) he has to say on this or any other subject.



Why Liberals Should Support a Trump Republican Nomination

By Jonathan Chait

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/02/why-liberals-should-support-a-trump-nomination.html

There are three reasons, in descending order of obviousness, for a liberal to earnestly and patriotically support a Trump Republican nomination. The first, of course, is that he would almost certainly lose. Trump’s ability to stay atop the polls for months, even as critics predicted his demise, has given him an aura of voodoo magic that frightens some Democrats. But whatever wizardry Trump has used to defy the laws of political gravity has worked only within his party. Among the electorate as a whole, he is massively — indeed, historically — unpopular, with unfavorable ratings now hovering around 60 percent and a public persona almost perfectly designed to repel the Obama coalition: racial minorities, single women, and college-educated whites. It would take a landscape-altering event like a recession for him to win; even that might not be enough.


Second, a Trump nomination might upend his party. The GOP is a machine that harnesses ethno-nationalistic fear — of communists, criminals, matrimonial gays, terrorists, snooty cultural elites — to win elections and then, once in office, caters to its wealthy donor base. (This is why even a social firebrand like Ted Cruz would privately assure the billionaire investor Paul Singer that he wasn’t particularly concerned about gay-marriage laws.) As its voting base has lost college-­educated voters and gained blue-collar whites, the fissure between the means by which Republicans attain power and the ends they pursue once they have it has widened.


Trump’s candidacy represents, among other things, a revolt by the Republican proletariat against its master class. That is why National Review devoted a cover editorial and 22 columns to denouncing Trump as a heretic to the conservative movement. A Trump nomination might not actually cleave the GOP in two, but it could wreak havoc. If, like me, you think the Republican Party in its current incarnation needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt anew, Trump is the only one holding a match.


The third reason to prefer a Trump nomination: If he does win, a Trump presidency would probably wind up doing less harm to the country than a Marco Rubio or a Cruz presidency. It might even, possibly, do some good.


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The worst takes of the 2010s

https://theoutline.com/post/8406/worst-takes-of-the-2010s-bret-stephens-david-brooks-megan-mcardle?zd=1&zi=hlwc7nn4



Chait’s immensely confident take on why the Democrats should support a Trump nomination is a humiliating crystallization of the wrongheaded thinking that propelled him to the White House: he asserts that Trump would easily lose (wrong), that he might force the Republicans to rebuild their party (wrong), that his presidency would do less harm than a conventional Republican (wrong) and might even do some good (WRONG!!!), that Trump’s presidency might end up like Arnold Schwarzenegger’s California governorship (wrong, and based on nothing besides “they were both celebrities”).

If I was this wrong, at this level of publication, I would probably re-examine all my fundamental assumptions about how people think. Three years later, Chait is still smugly wagging his finger about how things can’t be better, reminding us that nobody who makes this much money to fuck up that badly with zero self-awareness or reflection should be taken seriously about anything.





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