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Reply John Dean: Why Trump Can't Believe He Lost l Opinion WashPost (Original post)
sagesnow Nov 2020 OP
sagesnow Nov 2020 #1
sagesnow Nov 2020 #31
Boogiemack Nov 2020 #40
NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #2
dchill Nov 2020 #3
True Blue American Nov 2020 #8
madaboutharry Nov 2020 #4
TomDaisy Nov 2020 #21
TomDaisy Nov 2020 #22
Karadeniz Nov 2020 #5
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #6
judesedit Nov 2020 #7
Progressive Jones Nov 2020 #9
Botany Nov 2020 #10
liberalla Nov 2020 #11
Botany Nov 2020 #27
BadgerMom Nov 2020 #23
LisaM Nov 2020 #25
Botany Nov 2020 #29
LisaM Nov 2020 #36
LizBeth Nov 2020 #34
AleksS Nov 2020 #12
Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #13
forgotmylogin Nov 2020 #33
Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #14
Rice4VP Nov 2020 #15
PhylliPretzel Nov 2020 #16
DBoon Nov 2020 #19
sagesnow Nov 2020 #24
Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #17
Mme. Defarge Nov 2020 #18
TomDaisy Nov 2020 #20
onecaliberal Nov 2020 #26
TheRickles Nov 2020 #28
Ligyron Nov 2020 #32
LizBeth Nov 2020 #35
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #39
BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #30
Cha Nov 2020 #37
ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #38
Blue Owl Nov 2020 #41

Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:01 AM

1. Mail-In Ballots Proved

Mail-In Ballots are hard to hack.

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:51 PM

31. Link to tweet:

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 05:53 PM

40. We need to play hard to win in all state elections so we can require mail-in ballots. nt

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:02 AM

2. exactly - reminds me of this great movie scene (except it is cheater vs honest in the election)

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:04 AM

3. That's what I'm thinking.

Reminds me of Karl Rove when Fox called Ohio for Obama in 2012. "That can't be!"

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Response to dchill (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:29 AM

8. I loved that since it was Ohio

That gave Obama the electoral vote.

This year the populated cities voted for Biden, but the rural red gave him the votes. We now have a Democratic Supreme Court with the election of Jennifer Bruner and she said she ran to clean up redistricting and will keep a close eye to make sure the committee does it right! Good bye to your very unfair district that Boehner drew up for you and himself Gym Jordan...

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:10 AM

4. Exactly!

Trump can't believe that his cheat wasn't big enough!

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:22 PM

21. in addition to all the out-in-the-open voter suppression and super pac money

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:23 PM

22. I'm still shaking my head at the senate.....

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:12 AM

5. GOP has been cheating for so long, since that's the only way they win. For sure this one was

Rigged. We must find a way to get the will of the people back!

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:24 AM

6. Rs, especially Don Trumpleone, are always doing what they

accuse others of doing.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:25 AM

7. John Dean is absolutely right imo. Dumpy boy doesn't do anything legitimately

And as soon as I saw the final vote tally map in 2016, I knew the election was stolen. That ass was installed with the help of foreign and domestic players. That's why it is so important that democrats vote on paper ballots no matter what they say. And take them to the election office. Also, be sure to check your registration status periodically and make sure your ballot was received and counted.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:35 AM

9. I have been saying this all along during Trump's election whining.

The GOP rigged it, but failed.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 10:37 AM

10. I will never believe that Trump picked up something like 8 to 10 million votes from 2016

The things that kept Trump from cheating his way to a second term was massive
voter turn out and that unlike the electronic voting machines you can't easily flip a
paper ballot/mail in ballot.

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Response to Botany (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:17 AM

11. I'm with you on every point

For tRump, a man who never earned anything honestly, and whose 'success' was only achieved through cheating and stealing - he thinks that's how the world is run. Everyone cheats.

He can't concieve of someone winning honestly.

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Response to liberalla (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:31 PM

27. I don't believe that his 2016 base # is legit either.

But the idea that Trump picked up votes after being the worst President in history,
killing > 1/4 million Americans, releasing a global pandemic because he just had to
fire and or defund the people, protocols, and materials that were in place to stop
such a pandemic because they were "the black guy's idea," and he was just bleeding
support from people who said publicly that they voted for him in 2016 but would not
vote for him in 2020 is preposterous. Not only does Trump cheat but he had the master
cheater with him in 2020 too. Mr. Karl Rove.

I know we have 10s of millions of mouth breathing gun loving racist bible thumping dumb
fucks in America but the bottom line is that we are the majority having won the popular
vote in 7 of the last 8 Presidential elections. And the one where we didn't was 2004 and
that election was very dirty.

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Response to Botany (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:23 PM

23. Absolutely.

Itís why he and DeJoy damaged the postal service as they did. Itís massively ironic that his own lack of public health policy caused people to need to vote by mail and thereby cost him his big opportunity to flip machine votes.

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Response to Botany (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:25 PM

25. And you can't shut down polling places

And screw urban areas with broken or missing machines (like happened in Detroit in 2016).

Fraud is hard. Suppression is easy. Because of the pandemic, easily available avenues of suppression were gone. I think they simply were caught flat-footed by mail-in voting. All they have left is to discredit it.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:34 PM

29. "like happened in Detroit in 2016"

Like, 80,000 voters from Detroit and Flint who showed up and voted but skipped voting for POTUS
and Trump won Michigan by something like 10,000 votes.

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Response to Botany (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:41 PM

36. So much stuff like that.

Thankfully, Michiganders elected the Big Three, Whitmer, Benson, and Nessel (sp). Snyder was a goon.

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Response to Botany (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:36 PM

34. Agreed. All I am reading he is down from 2016 with this voter and that voter. Now I read he is down

from all the places he had rally, from 2016. Where exactly did all the increase in votes come from.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:24 AM

12. Yup. I've been saying that for months.

By accusing Biden of cheating, Donnie Dimwit was admitting to it himself. And he canít believe we overcame it.

I fervently hope Bidenís DOJ thoroughly investigates the election behind the scenes and exposes Cheetoliniís cheatery.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:30 AM

13. I thought that my own speculation was an outlier. I also suspected that Trump fixed the election,

but failed to take into account the massive display of pro-Biden support.

I suspected that flipping the votes on tabulation systems was probably configured with algorithms so that it looked like Trump would narrowly claim victory again in swing states. But the algorithms were designed to overcome a margin that referenced the 2016 election with millions fewer who voted for Trump's opponent. And, so my speculation goes, THAT'S why Biden won.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:16 PM

33. And that's why tRump was so insistent that his win be called on election night.

He was sure only Democrats would vote by mail, and they wouldn't make it in on time due to DeJoy's meddling, and that he could easily discredit "late" ballots. The media conservatively delayed calling most projected winners, and Fox (intentionally or not) ran major interference by calling Arizona for Biden before anyone else did, which served as a huge distraction for tRump and solidified the "wait and see" perception election night.

He told his followers not to vote by mail because their intention was to challenge and throw out as many (Democratic-leaning) mail in ballots as possible. He didn't plan that states would be onto him, and the overwhelming number of mail-ins would still make it, and those aren't subject to hack by machine since they are handled individually.

And he's also just dumb in that the calls made on Election night are only projections based on historical statistics and math and that the actual ballots always take a week or more to actually count depending on the procedure in each state, longer this year due to high mail-in turnout.

He believed if the media called it that everyone would stop counting, or at least believe he was the winner and not pay any attention to the behind-the-scenes court madness. He also was likely under the impression that mail-in ballots were provisional and may or may not be counted based on how close the race is - much easier to discredit and throw out. I was actually confused until someone explained that mail-in ballots are not provisional. It's possible in years past, the mail-in ballot numbers actually were small enough that they wouldn't have been a factor to change the in-person numbers and may as have been handled as if they were provisional.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:33 AM

14. Dumpy was shocked.

The Democratic turnout.

Surprise.

Heh heh heh.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:33 AM

15. Yep! He thought that he and his boy DeJoy had

screwed it up for Biden at the post office. Too bad for him that they were exposed and people used drop boxes where possible.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

16. PLEASE include tweet in your post

Folks, IF a tweet is important enough to post, please include said tweet in the post along with the link. Not all of us are on Twitter (for various reasons) nor can afford a sub to the WaPo; please don't exclude us. Thx.

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Response to PhylliPretzel (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

19. exactly

It is also a bad practice to expect people to click links sight unseen.

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Response to PhylliPretzel (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:25 PM

24. Sorry I didn't realize everyone couldn't link to this

Here's the link:
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Will be sure to include it in the future.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

17. I think Trump & Co were counting on it coming down to one state again...

Like in 2000 in Florida and 2004 in Ohio, the whole shebang basically came down to one state and they were able to put the fix in in that one crucial state.

This time, Biden flipped 5 states to blue-PA, MI, WI, and AZ with GA being a bonus. It is much harder to make the fix work in multiple states than in just one. They might have done it in 2 states, but not in 5.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:36 AM

18. Exactement!

This is why I believe it really was a landslide for Joe. No doubt the cheating still an impact on the numbers, just not big enough.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:16 PM

20. this is exactly right

trump believes everyone operates with the same evil and corruption that he does.

a moral person is beyond his comprehension.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:30 PM

26. Republicans absolutely cheated. There is no way I believe trump got 70 million votes.

Thatís why everyone on cable tv that cares about democracy was begging everyone to vote. They knew we had to overcome cheating and win convincingly.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:32 PM

28. But if the Dems had enough margin to overcome Trump's cheating,

why didn't they do very well in statewide elections (Governor, Senator, Congressman, etc.)? Or did the R's fix the down-ballot voting as well?

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:15 PM

32. Good question

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 01:40 PM

35. Even with the polls favoring some dems running in senate, the Republicans seemed

pretty confident there was not a threat to them. Either internal polls or what I feel was already the fix was in some how.

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 05:51 PM

39. It would be easier to do wholesale damage than pick one target.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 12:37 PM

30. I kept my misgivings to myself for obvious reasons, but I was very nervous about the GOP's efforts.

They were far-reaching, and often blatant. I could envision their dirty tricks working for them.

I think that recognizing and at least partially unwinding their schemes might have avoided, if not an administration win, a close enough contest that recounts would have been widespread and greatly emboldened the miscreants.

This election could have gone much worse, without a single change of plans or message on their part.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 04:23 PM

37. Rt.. TY!

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 04:33 PM

38. K&R!

I believe Dean is onto something.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sun Nov 29, 2020, 07:12 PM

41. The end of tRump is nigh!

Banish him into the annals of oblivion...

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