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Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:09 AM

Rev. Barber: "We need to get back to 'normal,'" REALLY?

Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II

“We need to get back to ‘normal,’” really? “We need to get back to when we all were just getting along”? Now when was that? When really now? When did that ever happen in America?

This is why we can’t heal: There are some things you just can’t compromise on.



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Reply Rev. Barber: "We need to get back to 'normal,'" REALLY? (Original post)
kpete Nov 2020 OP
Magoo48 Nov 2020 #1
Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #2
Moostache Nov 2020 #4
Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #5
birdographer Nov 2020 #6
Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #7
birdographer Nov 2020 #16
Lucky Luciano Nov 2020 #10
DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #11
iluvtennis Nov 2020 #14
Roc2020 Nov 2020 #3
lunasun Nov 2020 #8
housecat Nov 2020 #9
djacq Nov 2020 #12
mountain grammy Nov 2020 #13
calimary Nov 2020 #15
marble falls Nov 2020 #17
Hestia Nov 2020 #18
mshasta Nov 2020 #19
TigressDem Nov 2020 #20

Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:30 AM

1. Yup,

normal will not end us up in the same place; it will be much worse next time. Fascism, exponentially exacerbated by runaway climate-crisis disaster situations, is waiting in the wings. Anything resembling the old normal or status quo will end in calamity. Now’s our chance to leap forward. The best science, both political and environmental, suggests we don’t fuck this chance up.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:35 AM

2. This is why the "MAGA" was/is so very obscenely obnoxious

America has never been great for everyone. Just a select few. While many have striven to make it great, it has so very far to go to be considered even "good".

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:45 AM

4. My argument in a nutshell!

America the IDEA is, was and always will be great! Self-rule of the people, by the people, for the people in a secular system? THAT was the essence of the American Revolution and it remains the single greatest moment in human history from THAT theoretical perspective...

America the COUNTRY? Total shit hole and broken to it core at the moment. Vulnerable to autocratic take over and in danger of becoming a despotic theocracy if the SCOTUS and the Senate are not immediately fixed. And that's BEFORE we get to the evil shit that has been done here starting with the genocide of the Native peoples and the forced immigration and bondage of African peoples to build the country and enrich a small group of Caucasian Europeans, who were simultaneously exploiting the poor white people from jump street as well...

America as an example to the world has always been the ideals that we as American citizens have struggled to live up to or even really come close to...and we remain divided as a nation with people in a cult worshipping the same oppressors who have been at it for going on 500 years now...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:50 AM

5. In my simplistic mind, there are three classes of people in America

The 1%, the ones who lie to themselves that they are prosperous and the ones who live in fear.

And the ones who live in fear have a lot of things to be scared of: poverty, the police, health care or lack thereof, being shot for being the wrong color, ect, ect. ect.

IMO, the last two can overlap.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:25 AM

6. Hmm

That leaves me out completely...

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Response to birdographer (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:27 AM

7. I am glad that you have no fears as an American.

I would not know how that feels.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:53 AM

16. Sorry

I didn't know you meant basic human emotions that I would imagine even the first group has. I misunderstood the literal use of simplistic. I put every American in one group: people who are living a life.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:57 AM

10. Similar to George Carlin's take.

“The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the shit out of the middle class. Keep 'em showin' up at those jobs.“

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Response to Moostache (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:57 AM

11. Magnificently said Moostache.

and said so eloquently.......Could not be more "right on"

Hitler didn't hold a candle to what was done in North America to the TRUE North American, Native population.......
Andrew Jackson's image should be removed from U.S. Currency and a Native American's image put on it instead.
Everything ever written should remove the statement: "so and so discovered America"

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Response to Moostache (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:22 AM

14. Well said Moostache...+ agree. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:36 AM

3. there is no going back to 2019 "normal"

CV19 has changed life and existence permanently. We are in survival mode now.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:45 AM

8. +Kick this

This is the DU member formerly known as lunasun.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 10:49 AM

9. then and now

It seems the biggest difference between "then" and "now" is not the content but the ability to spread it quickly. Like the kids' party game "telephone" the last one to get the message gets one entirely different from the others. We've always had "the good, the bad, and the ugly," but now everyone can receive and broadcast any message whether real or fake. The 70 million losers have just come out of the proverbial closet to pollute the internet and erase the meaning of "breaking news."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:13 AM

12. Caring about another's Equities;

John Meacham once said that one if the ways to unit the country is if an individual cares about another's equity, that caring will reciprocate.

A co-worker didn't understand Voter Suppression that targets people of color. As if it's not real. Took the time to explain the practice and gave examples. Recommended reading the SCOTUS decision in Shelby vs Holder.

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_County_v._Holder?wprov=sfla1|

Co-worker refused to read it.

How can I expect an individual to care about my Inequities when that individual refused to learned about why I or anyone else in my group have Inequities?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:16 AM

13. Yes! Nothing but truth here!

Thanks for posting..

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:33 AM

15. No kidding. "Back to normal"? When was that?

I’d have to ask “define ‘normal’.”

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 12:00 PM

17. Rev Barber has a flair for the obvious. A return to normalcy, that's why Trump was fired and ...

Biden/Harris were hired.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:12 PM

18. You know, there was a time in the 1990s, in smaller cities at least, where we did get

along. It was last of times (that lasted several centuries) known as "benign ignorance."

Everyone wanted to pretend that adults no longer smoked cannabis when everyone still did. You could go to parties, get togethers, etc., fire up some j's and sit back and actually talk to people from all color spectrums and races. What united everyone was being a tax paying adult and considered a criminal just because we smoked dope (even though no one was doing it [wink wink nudge nudge]). We all had the same to lose.

It was through those get togethers that people started saying "n word" instead of the actual word, or some of the latino slurs, etc. They were words that our grand/parents used and those who used those words were chided for saying them too, so the language changed. Those words were dropped from our vocabularies. At the same time, no one was screaming at us, saying it's all our fault and other thought processes from college/university campus'. Everyone used their inside voices and we learned. Change doesn't happen overnight but excrementally.

(People like Rev. Barber most likely didn't know of these times because they weren't the get togethers that he would be aware of.)

These were the post-crack and pre-meth days when you then had to start weeding (har har) people out for being meth heads. It was the days of no guns on the streets, the Clinton years when everyone could find a decent paying job and everyone brought their own weed. Only time there was drought was right before harvest time. We never got the real good stuff because that went to the larger cities and sold at much higher prices than locally.

Only well-seasoned pros drank and smoked, beer was definitely okay. Liquor cost so danged much, weed became the choice, and again everyone actually talked to each other. People who smoked were the best sharers - we won't give you dope but we'll sit down and smoke a doob with you.

Needless to say, these were the pre-internet, pre-helicopter parents, pre-everyone has a gun days, when people could actually interact with each other, especially at parties. Still makes my head spin as to why you would need to bring a gun to a BBQ.

Then 2001 happened and it all changed on a dime. People were told to "say something" and everyone really started being treated as a criminal but now we have the internet and people quit hanging out with strangers, per se.

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I'll share a story that goes with these times...it was a cold, drizzly March afternoon

My SO at the time and I were invited to a park for a BBQ type thing for something - someone's birthday, engagement, something or other, so we knew a few people but not many. It was "no smoking" affair because kids and religilous were there.

After shivering for a couple of hours, I invited people back to my duplex to get warmed up and relax [wink wink nudge nudge] and I invited one guy who seemed to be by himself, not really talking to anyone and I felt sorry for him. I figured he was new in town or something and I didn't want him to feel left out.

Got home, coats came off and the baggies came out. So we're all sitting back, talking and passing the doobs and this guy said he couldn't because of his job. So I asked him what he did and he said he worked for the Justice Dept.! So, we all looked at each other, doobs went out and we started babbling about being low level people not big time dealers, yada yada. Finally, he asked if we would like him to leave. We just looked at him and said yes, so sorry, but you are making us extremely nervous. But thanks for coming

After he left, everyone just lit into me - lol! I said, hey!, he looked lonely. How was I to know? I became a bit more judicious (har har) as to who I invited over after that.

So, yes, those time existed, and everyone was in the same boat. We all lived in the same neighborhoods and no one was better off than anyone else. THAT is the time that I miss. People talking to people.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:17 PM

19. True

We don’t need to compromise with traitors

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 11:50 PM

20. Normal is over rated. Let's Move ON to Real Equality, Real Solutions and Better Times for ALL.

Normal is a house in the suburbs and 2.5 kids.

Normal is boring.

Normal is status quo.

Normal sucks.


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