Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:52 PM
PTWB (4,131 posts)
The one silver lining of our losses in the House...
Is that a progressive bloc like the Justice Democrats will be able to wield more influence and power than when we had such a large majority.
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PTWB | Nov 2020 | OP |
bottomofthehill | Nov 2020 | #1 | |
Big Blue Marble | Nov 2020 | #2 | |
PTWB | Nov 2020 | #3 | |
onenote | Nov 2020 | #7 | |
PTWB | Nov 2020 | #8 | |
onenote | Nov 2020 | #9 | |
PTWB | Nov 2020 | #13 | |
TwilightZone | Nov 2020 | #15 | |
NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #22 | |
Malmsy | Nov 2020 | #27 | |
George II | Nov 2020 | #21 | |
redstatebluegirl | Nov 2020 | #5 | |
PTWB | Nov 2020 | #6 | |
AmericanCanuck | Nov 2020 | #16 | |
peggysue2 | Nov 2020 | #20 | |
Zeus69 | Nov 2020 | #10 | |
apnu | Nov 2020 | #24 | |
George II | Nov 2020 | #26 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | Nov 2020 | #4 | |
Docreed2003 | Nov 2020 | #11 | |
Initech | Nov 2020 | #12 | |
Yavin4 | Nov 2020 | #14 | |
msongs | Nov 2020 | #17 | |
NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #23 | |
grantcart | Nov 2020 | #25 | |
Klaralven | Nov 2020 | #18 | |
TexasTowelie | Nov 2020 | #19 | |
JI7 | Nov 2020 | #28 |
Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:53 PM
bottomofthehill (7,286 posts)
1. I think you forgot to add the sarcasm thing.
Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:02 PM
Big Blue Marble (4,461 posts)
2. That is not a silver lining.
If we hold the house in two years, it will be because we support the moderates in the House. These are
the vulnerable seats. Go left and lose both the House and the Senate. Most of the country is more conservative than we here at DU. That is just a fact that we can not change. If you want Kevin McCarthy to be the next Speaker than give more power to the Justice Democrats. And in two years, we and they will have none. |
Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #2)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:04 PM
PTWB (4,131 posts)
3. I disagree with that assessment.
Response to PTWB (Reply #3)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:17 PM
onenote (39,439 posts)
7. There are 10 Justice Democrats in Congress.
There are over 210 Democrats in Congress who aren't Justice Democrats.
The Justice Democrats are from deep blue districts. And even then, one Justice Democrat managed to lose in a district that is +14 D. The rest of the party cannot and will not bend over backwards to make them happy. |
Response to onenote (Reply #7)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:18 PM
PTWB (4,131 posts)
8. We've got a big tent for a reason.
Response to PTWB (Reply #8)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:19 PM
onenote (39,439 posts)
9. Right. And the Justice Democrats need to learn to live inside that big tent.
Response to onenote (Reply #9)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:45 PM
PTWB (4,131 posts)
13. Is that how that works?
JDs need to assimilate eh? I'd much rather have a strong progressive bloc pull us left than a submissive progressive bloc that allows us to stagnate.
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Response to PTWB (Reply #13)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:56 PM
TwilightZone (21,593 posts)
15. 10 people isn't a bloc.
It's an afterthought.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 09:52 AM
Malmsy (261 posts)
27. It's something, though.
I believe that they represent a lot of people.
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Response to PTWB (Reply #8)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:28 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
21. At least one progressive is on record as saying we have "too big of a tent".
Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #2)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:07 PM
redstatebluegirl (12,157 posts)
5. We go left, we lose everything in 2022.
Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:09 PM
PTWB (4,131 posts)
6. No way.
There is no progressive position that isn't worth fighting for.
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Response to PTWB (Reply #6)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:06 PM
AmericanCanuck (1,102 posts)
16. Fighting for positions and winning are two different things
If we don't win, we fight from the sidewalk.
If we win, we fight at the table. Politics is an art of compromise and arrive at a winning position. Not "my way or highway." The latter will get you a highway every single time. |
Response to AmericanCanuck (Reply #16)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:21 PM
peggysue2 (9,770 posts)
20. Thank you!
Elections are about winning and math. Without a win, we have no voice at all, no place at the table. Zip, zilch, nada.
Math is a harsh mistress. |
Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:23 PM
Zeus69 (386 posts)
10. I agree with @redstatebluegirl
This topic has been beaten to death on here, so people are just dug in…
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Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #2)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:34 PM
apnu (8,646 posts)
24. We can change that. But it takes time and paitence.
Something young progressives don't have yet.
I speak from personal experience. When I was younger I demanded change loudly and immediately. As I've aged I take a longer view and see change as gradual, glacial even, but consistent and measurable. Win small battles that stick. Reframe progressive things as necessary and universal. Ease people into change. Lightening bolt change, like fad diets are doomed to failure. Sadly, only after years of hard road miles, does this lesson get learned. No amount of preaching from me or anybody else will teach this. Eventually everybody learns this last, and perhaps most important, life lesson. |
Response to apnu (Reply #24)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:40 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
26. They have the time, not the patience.
Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:07 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (107,023 posts)
4. There is no silver lining. Losing seats was a bad development,
and I hope the Justice Democrats (who are currently fundraising against other Democrats, https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214618597) get a clue.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:39 PM
Docreed2003 (15,342 posts)
11. 👆this...all of this
Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:44 PM
Initech (96,322 posts)
12. My district lost a seat that we flipped in 2018.
And the winner is a real hard-line religious conservative Trump supporter. And it really sucked. I want to flip that seat back in 2022.
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Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:46 PM
Yavin4 (34,069 posts)
14. Today's U.S. electorate is a bitterly, divided partisan landscape. Holding power by relying on...
moderates may not be the best overall strategy when confronting a party that's willing to extremes.
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Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:09 PM
msongs (65,362 posts)
17. losing seats is good if it gives more power to a splinter group? sad nt
Response to msongs (Reply #17)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:25 PM
NurseJackie (42,862 posts)
23. The word I'd have chosen is "pathetic" or "disgusting" (or maybe just a little "shellfish").
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #23)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:39 PM
grantcart (52,624 posts)
25. Exactly.. By using branding that failed to win purple areas the OP
sees an opportunity to generate even more adverse branding so we can lose more seats and return to the minority where JD never have to compromise and vote righteously on ever losing vote. |
Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:16 PM
Klaralven (7,510 posts)
18. Actually, it gives more influence and power to the remaining few moderates.
It is far more practical for the moderates in remaining purple districts to vote with the Republicans than for the progressives to do so.
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Response to PTWB (Original post)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:21 PM
TexasTowelie (99,557 posts)
19. Convoluted logic.
Progressives representing 5% of the majority party rather than 4% is not a silver lining. The only power that they might hold is to kill legislation being proposed by the remainder of the Democratic Party if their demands are not met. How is that a good thing?
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Response to PTWB (Original post)
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:04 AM
JI7 (87,746 posts)