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Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:03 PM

AOC: People who argue that dramatic changes to policing, including budgetary ones...






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Response to melman (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:06 PM

1. AOC nails it every time.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:13 PM

3. She has a gift for cutting through the social slumber.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:11 PM

2. "Budgetary changes to policing"

sounds like "Defund the Police"

Why bring budgetary changes into the messaging to begin with knowing that we lose elections because of it?

Why not "Reform the police" which is a more sensible and nuanced slogan without inflaming or scaring people everywhere except bluest of blue districts?

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Response to AmericanCanuck (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:17 PM

5. We're going to need some of that donut money for real policing

Thats why.

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Response to AmericanCanuck (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:27 PM

7. "Reform the police" is meaningless


And defunding the police is actually good and correct. As I just explained to you in another thread.


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Response to melman (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:58 PM

8. Defunding is bad and incorrect. Reshuffling police resources, which many PDs are doing....

....is a much wiser way to go. Most people, including most Democrats, feel that's more effective.

"Defunding" is a mistake and carries with it a bad connotation that we've seen republicans are perfectly willing to pounce upon.

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Response to melman (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:34 PM

10. It is not meaningless if one's goal is to win elections

Reform is all encompassing and includes many avenues including budgetary paths.

However, I get the point that it is not saying what some people want to hear and make such slogans viral as we are seeing day in and day out.

Going viral also has negative implications if you turn most of the people off and we lose votes at the expense of making a fan club bounce with happiness.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:14 PM

4. Trashing, not helpful too close to defund the police.

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Response to melman (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:24 PM

6. Groan. Yet at the same time she is trying to organise pressure on

Biden to commit to her green new deal. I didn't think she was as ideological as she actually is.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:04 PM

9. The thing about it is the so-called "green new deal" hasn't even been written yet! Her COS....

....Saikrat Chakrabarti, left his position in her office in 2019 on the premise that he was going to "write the green new deal", and introduce it "early next year" (2020)

In fact, he probably left because of all the flak caused by him sporting a t-shirt honoring Subhas Chandra Bose, a Nazi collaborator during WWII. Indeed, Bose actually worked within Hitler's government in Berlin from 1941 to 1943.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose#1941%E2%80%931943:_Nazi_Germany

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Response to melman (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:53 PM

11. Going after police or police budgets directly is misguided and not just politically.

Go after the Republicans who caused the situation in the first place. The Republican drug war is a good example.

Suppose you have a situation in which a dumb, a racist, a cowardly, or a sadistic cop kills someone for no good reason. You get nothing by protesting in the street for murder charges against the cop. It's not justice if the cop is convicted. It's not justice if the cop is acquitted or left uncharged. The protests all just backfire and the cause of getting better policing is just set back. The victim stays dead. It's all loss.

Justice is to blame Republicans and all in their political cult structure. That low end bad cop, 90% of the time, was only able to get a job as a cop because of Republican-backed laws and policies. No Drug War; much less violence, mass incarceration, no knock warrant enforcement, etc. No Drug War; much less need for police to begin with. How do we get no Drug War? No Republicans in power; no Drug War.

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