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Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:03 PM

Regarding anti-vaxxer's and the Covid-19 vaccine.

When the vaccine is available for general population access.....
should those that refuse it because they believe it is a hoax and freedumb....

Should they have access to community/taxpayer funded healthcare....ie, hospitals when there is a demand outstripping supply of hospital beads? In other words, why should an individual decision that eschews public health and denies the reality of the virus....why should these resources be applied to their healthcare when they contract the virus? Might be an effective start for the Biden Presidency to address a key problem with beating this virus. And staunch the bleeding in our exploding healthcare costs.

Do you think we could make PSA's that explain this to the "Covid is a hoax" spreaders who will refuse vaccinations?


It is the Trumpsters who are killing our country, destroying our healthcare system, and economic future. I am through playing nice with these fools.

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Reply Regarding anti-vaxxer's and the Covid-19 vaccine. (Original post)
OAITW r.2.0 Friday OP
Shermann Friday #1
OAITW r.2.0 Friday #2
KWR65 Friday #3
OAITW r.2.0 Friday #6
Grokenstein Friday #10
KWR65 Friday #12
OAITW r.2.0 Friday #13
RainCaster Friday #4
5X Friday #5
marie999 Friday #7
Hortensis Friday #8
marchellojones Friday #9
StarryNite Friday #14
uponit7771 Friday #18
forthemiddle Friday #11
Ms. Toad Friday #15
OAITW r.2.0 Friday #16
uponit7771 Friday #17
OAITW r.2.0 Friday #20
uponit7771 Friday #21
BannonsLiver Friday #19

Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:19 PM

1. Biden didn't say no to mandatory vaccinations

I doubt we'll see it, but it's really not much different than requiring vaccinations for school, or seatbelt laws, or helmet laws.

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Response to Shermann (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:22 PM

2. I would not make it mandatory for the freedumb folks.

I'd just tax or limit their access to healthcare resources. Why punish the front line workers to further infection, dealing with those that refuse to protect their health?

If they truly believe, accept the consequences.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:25 PM

3. So you want to deny healthcare to people that disagree with you?

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Response to KWR65 (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:36 PM

6. Not at all.

But I do think that health resources are finite. In terms of frontline workers and beds. Those that believe their ideas that COVID is a hoax and 2) vacs are are a hoax; when they get sick, they should go to a hoax hospital.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:48 PM

10. A hoaxpital!

Maganazi: "COVID ain't real! COUGH COUGH COUGH!!"
(one week later)
Maganazi, up to his ass in hot coals: "This ain't real either! It ain't! It ain't!!"
Satan: "Heh, I like guys like you. Such fun."

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 08:35 PM

12. So you agree with denying health care based on politics.

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Response to KWR65 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 08:42 PM

13. Do you agree a frontline worker should risk her/his life for those that spread covid?

By denying the virus and the vaccine?

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:26 PM

4. That's like hospitals turning away anti-maskers

Not that I mind that idea...

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:32 PM

5. I have lost all patience as well

and that extends to our governor, stitt. I am surrounded by anti-maskers and trumpers.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:42 PM

7. When should people get vaccinated?

My husband and I will not get vaccinated until we are sure it is safe.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:43 PM

8. Being fit for power means being committed to doing one's best for everyone.

Populations ALWAYS include fools and troublemakers, and our principle isn't that only those who fall in line with those in power are entitled to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Most hard-core conservatives, btw, tend to disagree strongly with the Declaration of Independence and can be counted on to point to many unworthy groups and individuals we should cut services to.

In this case, there's no way refusing all healthcare to anti-vaxxers would be good for them, their hapless families, and their communities.

We should expect some sensible bureaucratic decisions that also act as carrot-and-stick. Most employers and schools, for instance, will require vaccinations. But in any case, most communities will be able to bring case rates down below what's considered containment without resorting to having hospital security escort sick anti-vaxxers off the grounds.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:46 PM

9. I dont think you need to be

antivaxxer or trumpist to have serious concerns about a vaccine that has been rushed without knowing short or long term side effects that could occur. There is difference in refusing polio, mmr or flu vaccine that have been around for decades than this!

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Response to marchellojones (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 08:45 PM

14. I agree.

I have said to people I wish if things get to a point where triage is necessary that people who refused to mask up in public should be the last ones to get care.

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Response to marchellojones (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:11 PM

18. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 07:51 PM

11. That's a slippery slope you don't want to go down.

Do we refuse treatment for lung cancer to patients that donít give up smoking?
Do we refuse treatment to diabetics who refuse to lose weight?
Do we refuse care to women who get pregnant even though they didnít use birth control?
Do we refuse treatment to AIDS patients who didnít practice safe sex?

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 08:47 PM

15. Yes - and it has nothingto do with plaing nicely.

For the same reason that we shouldn't wish a happy illness on them, we should not refuse access to health care.

Anyone ill exposes other people without regard to political affiliation. When we hope they get sick, or deny them access to health care, we are **also** hoping that illness on their family and friends (who may well be democrats) and on their informal providers (who may also be democrats).

There will be a number of individuals who are unable to get the vaccine (early - because of the order of distribution; later because of incompatible health conditions). Denying the vaccine refusers access to health care increases the risk to all of us.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:04 PM

16. Proves again, this community has a lot more sympathy to those that hate us and the commitment

to society that I have. I appreciate the higher that you have and I don't.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:09 PM

17. People will have a rational, fact based and well grounded skepticism about this vaccine and

... there's not thing wrong with that.

that's not bein antivaxer if they do

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:14 PM

20. Agreed, but

My 1st qualifier - "When the vaccine is available for general population access....." meant that it was safe to the entire population. I get why people will wait to see how others fare...

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:41 PM

21. According to the government that will take years, what I'm hearing is months ... I don't see

... how they're squaring the two in regards to safety

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 09:12 PM

19. No way

The anti vaxxers need to be isolated and ostracized as much as possible. Ban their kids from public schools for starters. Whatever that can be done to squeeze them needs to be done.

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