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Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:36 AM

Guess who contacted the two GOP Wayne County members right before they said they want to rescind???



This is shocking: Trump apparently "reached out" to the two Republican Wayne County Commissioners. The next day, they signed an affidavit saying they want to rescind their votes to certify the results.

Channeling @BrendanNyhan, what you say if you saw this in another country.



"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise"




EDIT: OH MY!!!

Guess who's in legal trouble over a 501(c)4??

Wayne County Ethics Board says pro-Trump election official Monica Palmer could face “jail time”
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/wayne-county-ethics-board-says-pro-trump-election-official-monica-palmer-could-face-jail-time/34197/
Now we may be getting some of that answer. It turns out one of the rogue officials in question, Monica Palmer, just happened to have an ethics hearing scheduled for this morning. The ethics board ended up announcing that there is a “formal complaint against her for violating campaign finance laws with her 501c4” and that it “could result in jail time.”

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Reply Guess who contacted the two GOP Wayne County members right before they said they want to rescind??? (Original post)
Roland99 Nov 19 OP
Me. Nov 19 #1
C_U_L8R Nov 19 #2
dalton99a Nov 19 #3
struggle4progress Nov 19 #33
live love laugh Nov 19 #51
paleotn Nov 19 #34
iluvtennis Nov 19 #50
Marcuse Nov 19 #60
RussellCattle Nov 19 #61
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 19 #4
raccoon Nov 19 #48
LakeVermilion Nov 19 #5
riversedge Nov 19 #6
madaboutharry Nov 19 #7
Roland99 Nov 19 #9
Volaris Nov 19 #46
dem4decades Nov 19 #8
Phoenix61 Nov 19 #15
dem4decades Nov 19 #18
Phoenix61 Nov 19 #19
dem4decades Nov 19 #27
not_the_one Nov 19 #35
LenaBaby61 Nov 19 #38
getagrip_already Nov 19 #29
whopis01 Nov 19 #36
LiberalLovinLug Nov 20 #63
whopis01 Nov 20 #64
avebury Nov 19 #40
Towlie Nov 19 #10
4Q2u2 Nov 19 #11
Dem2 Nov 19 #12
NCDem47 Nov 19 #13
Ferrets are Cool Nov 19 #14
LiberalFighter Nov 19 #16
yardwork Nov 19 #17
wnylib Nov 19 #21
yardwork Nov 19 #25
wnylib Nov 19 #26
Marcuse Nov 19 #37
UCmeNdc Nov 19 #20
Initech Nov 19 #22
wnylib Nov 19 #39
Mike 03 Nov 19 #23
ananda Nov 19 #24
Evolve Dammit Nov 19 #28
BobTheSubgenius Nov 19 #30
getagrip_already Nov 19 #31
Aviation Pro Nov 19 #32
Jon King Nov 19 #41
onenote Nov 19 #42
Stuart G Nov 19 #43
diva77 Nov 19 #44
ismnotwasm Nov 19 #45
GusBob Nov 19 #47
Roland99 Nov 19 #53
Iggo Nov 19 #49
Rice4VP Nov 19 #52
kentuck Nov 19 #54
ecstatic Nov 19 #55
Cha Nov 19 #56
McCamy Taylor Nov 19 #57
Hassler Nov 19 #58
BigmanPigman Nov 19 #59
Skittles Nov 19 #62
Botany Nov 20 #65

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:39 AM

1. THis Is A Criminal Action, Yes?

if anyone is going to make it impossible for JB to just move along it will be the villain himself

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:40 AM

2. They need to be testifying under oath right now

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:40 AM

3. The racists were deeply honored




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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:37 AM

33. "Can I offer you a pardon, Monica?"

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:27 PM

51. +1

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:42 AM

34. The faces of American fascists....

Not all that different from this motely collection of scum.



My father is still spinning in his grave, along with the rest of his generation. Like Woody Guthrie's guitar, dad was a machine that killed fascists.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:26 PM

50. + agree. nt

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Response to paleotn (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 07:33 PM

60. Not different at all.



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Response to Marcuse (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:21 PM

61. This was a 1939 rally of the German-American Bund, so the banner on the right that says....

...."Stop Jewish Domination of Christian Americans" is no surprise. The one on the left that says "Read America's Fearless Press" surprised me until I realized it was referring to a newspaper called "The Free American", no doubt the Bund's own paper.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:40 AM

4. This "reaching out" is nothing short of CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:10 PM

48. Doesn't this remind anyone else of organized crime behavior?

Maybe somebody made them “a deal they couldn’t refuse?”

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:40 AM

5. Trump is the biggest baby in American history.

Worse yet, his followers will do things for him that they wouldn't do for their own family members. They all need "tough" love.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:40 AM

6. It does not work that way trumpy. The two Repugs gave their souls to Trump. But plop!!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:42 AM

7. This needs to be verified.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:46 AM

9. Seems trump reached out only to "thank them"



Sorry - I needed to be more precise with the tweet. AP reports that Trump ‘reached out’ to the Republican canvassers to express gratitude Tuesday evening. They signed affidavits the next day saying the Wayne County votes should not have been certified



yeah...right. and pull *this* leg and it plays Jingle Bells

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:39 AM

46. Another perfect phone call...

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:45 AM

8. Maybe Biden shouldn't say he doesn't want to prosecute Trump crimes, cause that seems like a crime.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:58 AM

15. It's the executive branch doing its job.

He also said he would let the DOJ do its job.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:12 AM

18. He should have left it at that. Why float the not prosecuting Trump idea?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:16 AM

19. I think it's the same thing Pelosi did about impeachment.

She said several times she didn’t want impeachment but then was able to say it had to happen, overwhelming evidence etc. Especially with the senate runoff races in GA. If Biden comes out screaming about sending Twitler to jail it will fire up his base in Ga. Best to let it go....for now.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:30 AM

27. I'm okay with that.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:44 AM

35. Nancy had to be dragged kicking and screaming into impeachment. If it was left up to her

 

it never would of happened. Instead, she stalled so long that the eventual denied subpoenas (which they should have KNOWN would happen) didn't have time to work their way through the courts to be ruled on. So, in effect, her delay, which got NO testimony from anyone relevant, was what allowed the republicans to continue their treason. And it set the precedent of NO ONE having to respond to a subpoena, because there is no punishment (unless you are a democrat, of course).

Biden should be staying mum about accountability, and let his AG do that job. But he is now sending out floaters about "for the good of the country".

Sorry Joe, the country IS divided and will stay divided unless there is some accountability.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:10 AM

38. Best to let it go....

This 👇🏻👇🏻

FOR NOW.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:33 AM

29. well, intentional or not....

It now has the media focusing on trumps criminal liabilities post election. It is beginning to sink in just how corrupt and criminal he is personally.

And that happened when biden simply said he wouldn't get involved.

He may not have planned it, but it couldn't have been more pitch perfect to get the media to pick it up and talk about it across multiple news cycles.

Joe has been at this game a long time. He still knows how to play tunes.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:52 AM

36. It shouldn't be a President's issue to be concerned with.

Crimes should be prosecuted.

Something has gone wrong with the system when the President has to get involved with whether or not a crime is prosecuted.


(I am talking in general terms - not about Biden specifically. I believe that he is taking this approach, and letting the DOJ and the state-level equivalents handle that. At least I hope that is his approach - we shall certainly see.)

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:51 AM

63. I think its naive to think any President, D or R, does not bear influence

on what cases the AG they appointed will prosecute. No matter what they say for the camera. I'm sure its part of the interview and assessment before one is announced as the pick. I don't think most Presidents care about the many other cases that are not as politically toxic, that the AG would be working on too. But the implications in going after Trump, a former President, are way too great for a current President not to have a say whether to drop the case and move on, or go to war. One thing Biden and the Dems are probably right on, it would consume his first term.

But sorry, even IF, we lose the race in 2024 because of the propaganda onslaught we will hear on Fox and probably even the rest of the MSM "Did the Democrats go Too Far?........We'll ask our Republican guest after the break"

We still should go full Def Con 1 on their asses. If we lose in 2024, but send off Trump and a few other Republicans off to jail, and expose all the shit they did, including the crimes we never knew about, at least a precedent will be set. The country will be able to gain respect again, from the world but also from Americans themselves. Even if its only half of them. Its time to dig out the dirt in all the corners, and have a fresh start.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #63)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 06:34 AM

64. I didn't say a President doesn't have influence over what is prosecuted.

I said it is a failure of the system when they do. And I stand by that.

Criminal activity should be prosecuted. Period.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:17 AM

40. That is OK because Biden would not be the one prosecuting Trump crimes,

the DOJ would handle it.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:50 AM

10. It looks like my guess may have been right!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:52 AM

11. It all fun and games

Until you are standing in front of a Judge under Oath.
Jail time has a way of changing one's perspective A LOT.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:54 AM

12. Rump needs jail time

This is so highly inappropriate - he needs to be prosecuted for this, along with his lackey Graham.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:56 AM

13. JFC

You know that conversation went down with all sorts of wanna-be Mafioso double speak.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:57 AM

14. Just another criminal action by the mob boss in the WH

He must pay.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:59 AM

16. It would seem it is a bit late to change their vote and was it in a meeting? I don't think so.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:01 AM

17. Sitting president interfering with lawful certification of the election. Seems criminal to me.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

21. Well, it's definitely an interference in

the election to overturn the will of the people, thus disenfranchising them. But I don't know if a specific law is being broken because they can claim that they want a vote audit before certifying the votes. But is it legal to rescind certification once it's done?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:21 AM

25. I meant criminal behavior on the part of Trump.

It seems like the president is interfering in the lawful review and certification of votes involving his re-election.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:26 AM

26. Hard to prove, though, since he uses

mob type innuendoes and hints instead of direct orders. And the canvassers would never admit or testify that he pressured them.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:08 AM

37. Graham did the same in GA. Routine Republican corruption.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:18 AM

20. Isn't this against the law????

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:19 AM

22. The people who are screaming "voter fraud" are committing some real election fraud.

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Response to Initech (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:11 AM

39. Of course. Projection is their MO.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:21 AM

23. Kick and Recommend

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:21 AM

24. Well, that thot sure plickened...

Wow

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:32 AM

28. Another perfect phone call with a side of quid pro quo. Criminal enterprise top to bottom.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:35 AM

30. At the very least, she won't be doing that job any more.

Jail would be the best outcome, clearly, but anything negative coming her way is just dessert.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:36 AM

31. Psst, I hear you are having some federal "difficulties", maybe you could do me a favor........

Maybe I could make those go away..... just sayin.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:37 AM

32. I prefer, "I am Jack's cancerous colon."

Apt metaphor for Shitbag.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:28 AM

41. Make her life miserable...

These low level people need to be hammered. They don't have Trump's resources. If they want to do his bidding, make them pay. Boycott where she works, shun her, make her life miserable. We have to weaken this Trump cult piece by piece.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:29 AM

42. As usual, the PalmerReport is somewhat hyperbolic.

First, the Wayne County Ethics Board can issue penalties for violations of the Ethics Ordinance of no more than $500. They can't put people in prison.

Second, Palmer doesn't explain what the 501(c)(4) issue but that is a section of the Internal Revenue Code and, again, its impossible to tell what he thinks has occurred here but, again, the Michigan Ethics Board has no jurisdiction to enforce the Internal Revenue Code.

More about the situation here:https://www.candgnews.com/news/complaint-filed-against-wayne-county-board-of-canvassers-chairperson-119174

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:29 AM

43. Got to kick and recommend this again...up to the top, the "Trump Crooks" won't stop...

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:32 AM

44. K&R for exposure

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:34 AM

45. One of them is saying " he was nice"

And expressed concern for her safety. She say she she felt no pressure.

She is full is full of shit

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:41 AM

47. Wait. expressed concern for her safety?

From which side?

God knows he wasnt talking about COVID

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Response to GusBob (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 02:03 PM

53. both of these idiots got doxxed...they were getting hit from both sides

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:17 PM

49. Aw, look who needs a pardon!

Jeezus.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:29 PM

52. Lock these idiots up. The governor could also

fire them...I think

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 02:22 PM

54. It doesn't matter for what reason he called the Commissioner.

He should not have called. It appears to be election manipulation. In other words, attempted fraud.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 02:24 PM

55. "Shocking" should be in quotes.

Unfortunately, it's not shocking at all. trump is the most corrupt, criminal minded POS "president" of my lifetime.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 04:07 PM

56. Haha.. Didn't work.. the 3 Stooges went

down in a burning pile of flames.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 04:50 PM

57. Is it a federal charge? If so, Trump's call can be considered

coercion.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 05:13 PM

58. Desperate J. Flopsweat?

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 06:31 PM

59. Lock her up and toss put the key.

This is America, bitch. YOU do not write the rules, you get to go to jail for breaking them. Fuck you!!!!! Rot in Hell throughout eternity in agonizing pain!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:22 PM

62. why is that "shocking"

sounds like SOP for cheating, fascist bastards

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Fri Nov 20, 2020, 08:37 AM

65. County Republican canvassers can't rescind their votes to certify election, says Secretary of State

Source: MLive

Two Republicans serving on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers want to rescind their votes to certify results of the general election.

Monica Palmer and Willam Hartmann initially voted against certifying countywide election results during a Tuesday meeting, later changing their minds and voting in favor of certification on the condition that an independent audit is conducted.

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The Secretary of State’s office, however, argues there is no legal mechanism for Palmer and Hartmann to rescind their votes. All 83 counties in Michigan had certified their elections as of Thursday, Nov. 18.

“Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify,” said Tracy Wimmer, spokesperson for Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson.

Read more: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/11/wayne-county-republicans-cant-rescind-their-votes-to-certify-election-says-secretary-of-state.html

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