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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:10 PM

Pennsylvania judge has heard enough from Rudy Giuliani -- and cancels scheduled evidentiary hearing


Published 38 mins ago on November 18, 2020
By Brad Reed

A federal judge based in Pennsylvania has heard enough from Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani.

Judge Matthew Brann of the United States District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania on Wednesday announced (PDF) that he was formally canceling an evidentiary hearing that had been scheduled to take place on Thursday.

“The evidentiary hearing previously scheduled for Thursday, November 19, 2020 is CANCELLED,” the judge wrote in his order, which also denied a motion by Trump attorney Linda Kerns to sanction opposing counsel for a supposedly “threatening” phone call.

As Law and Crime News reporter Adam Klasfeld notes, Judge Brann telegraphed this move in court on Tuesday when he said that he didn’t see the need to hold an evidentiary hearing based on the claims being made by the Trump campaign.

“Context: Rudy Giuliani admitted in court yesterday, ‘This is not a fraud case,'” writes Klasfeld in explaining why the judge saw no need to hold a hearing on fraud evidence when Giuliani said that the case didn’t actually involve fraud allegations.

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Reply Pennsylvania judge has heard enough from Rudy Giuliani -- and cancels scheduled evidentiary hearing (Original post)
DonViejo Nov 18 OP
XanaDUer2 Nov 18 #1
onetexan Nov 18 #2
smb Nov 19 #52
ProfessorGAC Nov 19 #53
soothsayer Nov 18 #3
underpants Nov 18 #6
Zambero Nov 18 #9
underpants Nov 18 #11
FakeNoose Nov 18 #16
lagomorph777 Nov 18 #30
underpants Nov 18 #32
NJCher Nov 18 #38
vlyons Nov 18 #35
bluecollar2 Nov 18 #25
soothsayer Nov 18 #27
MyOwnPeace Nov 18 #41
bluecollar2 Nov 18 #46
MyOwnPeace Nov 18 #47
bluecollar2 Nov 18 #48
MyOwnPeace Nov 18 #49
bluecollar2 Nov 18 #50
Mike 03 Nov 18 #4
rustysgurl Nov 18 #5
ProfessorGAC Nov 19 #54
OhZone Nov 18 #7
TheRealNorth Nov 18 #8
jmg257 Nov 18 #10
dware Nov 18 #15
Lucinda Nov 18 #12
brooklynite Nov 18 #13
Buckeyeblue Nov 18 #14
ooky Nov 18 #17
George II Nov 18 #18
jcgoldie Nov 18 #19
C Moon Nov 18 #20
marble falls Nov 18 #21
nolabear Nov 18 #22
klook Nov 18 #31
Happy Hoosier Nov 18 #23
robbob Nov 18 #24
Turbineguy Nov 18 #26
marble falls Nov 18 #29
Captain Zero Nov 18 #34
Chainfire Nov 18 #42
twodogsbarking Nov 18 #28
Yavin4 Nov 18 #33
DanieRains Nov 18 #36
Botany Nov 18 #37
Chainfire Nov 18 #43
Evolve Dammit Nov 18 #39
Dustlawyer Nov 18 #40
Chainfire Nov 18 #44
58Sunliner Nov 18 #45
ShazzieB Nov 18 #51

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:11 PM

1. ha

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:12 PM

2. Teehee

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Response to onetexan (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 07:00 AM

52. I Imagine The Response Looked Like This


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Response to smb (Reply #52)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 07:33 AM

53. Funny Stuff!

Thanks for the morning chuckle!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:12 PM

3. How many more $20k paydays will Rudy get from this

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:16 PM

6. We all know he isn't getting crap

Maybe from the campaign but I’d doubt that too.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:35 PM

9. Poor, poor Rudy

If his fees include any contingency stipulations, he'll be way behind on those alimony payments!

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Response to Zambero (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:38 PM

11. I understood he was working for free due to alimony

or something divorce related. I thought it was considered that he was making money in Ukraine and hiding it somehow.

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Response to underpants (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:49 PM

16. Yes he is working for free

... however I think he's had to hire other lawyers to handle some of these case. Most likely Rudy is charging Chump for the other lawyers' salaries.

Rudy isn't licensed to practice law in a lot of places. It was just mentioned on DU the other day that he allowed his license to lapse in Washington, DC of all places. Lawyers have to pay an annual fee of some amount, and he didn't pay his fee, so they dropped him.

The joke's on Rudy because of course Chump will never pay him $20K per day.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:54 PM

30. Rudy doesn't realize that he's working Pro Boner.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:57 PM

32. 🤣

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:26 PM

38. OMD

was that ever funny! First big laugh of the day for me!!

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:08 PM

35. Let's talk about his "fees"

which are certainly not being paid by Trump. Probably paid by donors, the campaign, and/or the RNC. How much of the $20K do you think gets kicked back to Trump? Then again, it's probably not even $20K, but that figure is just to make him appear to be that valuable. Har-D-Har-Har. I can't even imagine anyone hiring him post-Trump. He'll probably be chasing ambulances.

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:29 PM

25. I'm getting more than that from Soros to move to Georgia

And vote.

R/T airfare, car, per diem, three meals, mcmansion with pool and laundry/drycleaning included.

Not as good as 2018 Orange County but there's a pandemic creating a surplus of mobile voters out there.

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Response to bluecollar2 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:30 PM

27. Ha!

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Response to bluecollar2 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:43 PM

41. Make sure you get the check before you charge your card!

I'm still waiting for my checks for my parts in the protests of SO many that were part of the "Screw the Blue" movement - you know, the "Anti-Blue-Lives-Matter" gang.
I've also been involved in some "lobby" protests, although we were discovered and "the pResident" outed us:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!


OK, so I didn't get all of the ink off of my hands - is that any reason not to pay me?

Come on, Soros, PAY UP!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #41)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:22 PM

46. My sect gets paid in cash

If you have the "hillary" clause in your contract you're working under the " old" contract.

Check page 3, subsection 2 and see if you have the "pelosi principles" included. If not you can upgrade to the current contract by executing plan alpha tango tango next time you transit sector 2


👍

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Response to bluecollar2 (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:26 PM

47. Oh, CRUD!!!!!!

WAY too much for me - I'm going golfing!

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:29 PM

48. Enjoy your game...see you in DC in Jan.



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Response to bluecollar2 (Reply #48)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:39 PM

49. DAMNED STRAIGHT!!!!

We'll be in the 2nd. largest Inaugural crowd ever (provided my Soros checks clears........).

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:40 PM

50. 👍... n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:13 PM

4. ...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:16 PM

5. Judges take a rather dim view of people wasting the Court's time.

As a retired paralegal, I've seen my fair share of judicial lectures, tantrums and downright blowups towards attorneys who either a) didn't know what the hell they were doing or b) knew what they were doing but kept trying to advance frivolous arguments. Judges (no matter their political leanings and as a general rule) take very seriously the fact that the Court systems are paid for by the people, and it is "the peoples'" time these fools are wasting. There's also a little judicial arrogance mixed in, and that results in a cocktail no attorney wants poured over their head.

It's obvious from what I read yesterday that Giuliani is no constitutional or legal scholar, and hasn't practiced in some time. He was so in over his head it was laughable -- but the Judge doesn't appear to be amused.

Chalk up another win for our side!

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Response to rustysgurl (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 07:37 AM

54. I Was On A Jury In March

I can see that judge taking the stance you describe.
A couple times he corrected the lawyers during court, and I heard the "come on, now" in his tone.
If they had persisted, I can hear the riot act in my head.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:30 PM

7. LOL Wut

It's not fraud, but then - wut?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:32 PM

8. But, but.....

I just saw a clip of Sean Hannity saying that Ghouliani was "brilliant".

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:37 PM

10. ALL part of the plan - Rudy has us Dems right where he wants us!!!

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:46 PM

15. He sure does.

&pbjreload=101

Think of Denzel as Rudy and Clive as the Judge.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:40 PM

12. KNR

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:42 PM

13. My recollection from yesterday was that Rudy & Co had until 5 PM to submit evidence

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:45 PM

14. Rudy hasn't made a constitutional argument for the SC to even consider this case

Trump knows this gig is up. He's just trying to be an obstructionist. He doesn't want Biden to have a smooth transition. He wants to break as many things as possible before he either quits or his term expires.

I think he's staying in the White House to pull some sort of bullshit.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:51 PM

17. What works on Fox News doesn't work in court.

Gotta have some evidence to go with the allegations in Court. Sorry Rudy. Too bad Hannity isn't a judge.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:59 PM

18. If I were him I'd never show my face in public again. A total embarrassment.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:59 PM

19. My Cousin RUDY!

Once the judge began asking each side questions about their arguments, it became clear that Giuliani did not understand basic legal terms.

For instance, Judge Brann asked Giuliani which level of scrutiny he should apply for the dispute. In election law cases, if a “strict scrutiny” standard is applied, states must overcome a higher bar in defending their voting policies, while under a “rational basis” standard, states have more leeway in defending their actions.

When Brann asked Giuliani which standard should be applied, Giuliani at first said “the normal one.”

Brann tried to clarify if Giuliani meant strict scrutiny.

“No, the normal scrutiny,” Giuliani.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-hearing-pennsylvania-rump-campaign

This fucking movie was better when it starred Joe Pesci!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:02 PM

20. It's obvious to everyone (in the world) that all these bastards are doing

is grasping at lie-filled straws.

If any of these cases actually affect the election, it would be 100% fraud.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:03 PM

21. Maybe Rudy'd done better if theyda paid him $3000 a day.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:03 PM

22. Boy that kraken is more of a jellyfish.

🐙

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Response to nolabear (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:56 PM

31. Actual size may vary.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:04 PM

23. This looks like the case gets tossed.

He's probably still writing the ruling, but this telegraphs that he thinks their case is garbage.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:07 PM

24. Reminds me of the time I got up to plead my case before a judge:

Contesting a speeding ticket I didn’t feel I deserved. Since I HAD been speeding, but felt I had a good reason for doing so I pled “guilty with an explanation”. The judge looked at me like I was an idiot and explained, explanation or not, I had just pled “guilty” and therefore had to pay the fine.

Lesson: don’t get up in a court of law if you don’t know what the f*** you’re doing. A lesson Rudy hasn’t learned apparently...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:30 PM

26. What really bothers me about this whole Rudy Giuliani saga.

When he was a young prosecutor, he really cleaned up New York City and made it a much better place. An enduring legacy to this day.

Why did he get himself hooked up with trump? There's enough other shit on sidewalks to step into.

It bothers me when I respect and admire somebody and they take this kind of fall from grace.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:51 PM

29. And he was a better Federal Attorney than he was a mayor. What a looong deeeep slide.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:04 PM

34. Are we sure Rudy wasn't just cleaning up NY City

For the Russian Mafia to move in? Or was that a coincidence?

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:59 PM

42. My wife and I were discussing this same thing fifteen minutes ago

It is like Giuliani fell off of the sane wagon.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:31 PM

28. Bud Abbot and Lou Costello

would be in awe.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:58 PM

33. Updated Chevy Chase catchphrase: "President Donald J. Trump has still lost the 2020 election."

Good night Don and have an unpleasant tomorrow.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:08 PM

36. Hahahahahahaha

Idiot

Now give him his $20K

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:21 PM

37. Trump is now 1 and 27 in his court cases about the election

BTW the one win changed 0 votes.

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Response to Botany (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:00 PM

43. But Trump can claim that he is winning in the courts, just like in the election!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:28 PM

39. Can we end this four year clown show FTL of C?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:37 PM

40. Boy, $20,000 a day doesn't buy much these days!!!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:01 PM

44. Rudy needs to make it while he can

After this gig he will be doing slip-an-falls.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:55 PM

51. Take that, Rudy!

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