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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

KitSileya (4,035 posts)

What is more important, Senate majority or Sen. Warren and Sanders in Cabinet?

From what I see, certain groups (and Senator Sanders himself) are really eager to get Senator Warren as Secretary of the Treasury and Senator Sanders as Secretary of Labor. However, their home states have Republican Governors, and they would be replaced with Republicans. That would mean losing the majority.

Even if we do not get majority in the Senate at the first go, by only getting one of the two Senators of Georgia, we still have a good shot at 50-50 because McConnell is having visible health problems beyond the bruises he had in October. He is limping, and breathing heavily, according to the latest press reports. He had a triple bypass in 2003, he's 78 years old, and the signs are there. Kentucky has a Democratic Governor, which could then get us to 50-50 if McConnell retires :coughdiescough: before 2022.

On the other hand, Senator Sanders has expressed his wish to be Labor Secretary, and many want Senator Warren to deal with finance after her good job on the consumer protections bureau. Many would be incredibly angered if Senator Sanders doesn't get his wish - Justice Democrats, The Young Turks, Jacobin are all already sounding the alarm if they do not get their way,

So, what do you guys think?

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Reply What is more important, Senate majority or Sen. Warren and Sanders in Cabinet? (Original post)
 KitSileya Nov 18 OP
LineReply Senate majority hands down.
 we can do it Nov 18 #1
LineReply Majority
 BlueInPhilly Nov 18 #2
LineReply ...
 handmade34 Nov 18 #3
LineReply Senate Majority not even close!
 redstatebluegirl Nov 18 #4
LineReply Senate majority. Period.
 relayerbob Nov 18 #5
LineReply If we get both Georgia Senate seats, then the majority is more important.
 House of Roberts Nov 18 #6
LineLineReply Then the majority remains just as important, and a goal we have two years to shoot for
 DFW Nov 18 #14
LineReply Majority
 MuseRider Nov 18 #7
LineReply Sanders is an Independent and can be his independent self in the senate. I would love Warren in
 LizBeth Nov 18 #8
LineLineReply Republican Governor Baker gets to appoint her replacement.
 Green Line Nov 18 #20
LineLineLineReply I trust Biden to know more than you. If it can't be done it won't. It is suggested that
 LizBeth Nov 18 #29
LineReply Senate Majority - no question!
 Dream Girl Nov 18 #9
LineReply Senate majority for sure
 jimfields33 Nov 18 #10
LineReply The senate majority, obviously.
 Salviati Nov 18 #11
LineReply Senate majority, no need to even ponder that one
 DFW Nov 18 #12
LineReply Message auto-removed
 Name removed Nov 18 #13
LineReply An easy call. OF COURSE the Senate majority is more important.
 Jeebo Nov 18 #15
LineReply I would prefer Senator Warren stay in the senate
 Bettie Nov 18 #16
LineReply Gosh. Remember how back in 2016 people here
 PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 18 #17
LineReply Biden's got his list for Labor Sec & Sanders isn't on it.
 Budi Nov 18 #18
LineReply I don't think Vermont has elected a Democratic senator in 199 yrs or more, so the answer is majority
 mtnsnake Nov 18 #19
LineReply Biden's List
 Budi Nov 18 #21
LineLineReply Thank you for posting this.
 KitSileya Nov 18 #24
LineLineLineNew Reply Looking at this list is a BIG signal to the direction Biden's Cabinet wiil go.
 Budi Nov 18 #32
LineReply Control of the Senate it isn't even a contest. The Senate is EVERYTHING.
 Statistical Nov 18 #22
LineReply Majority.
 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 18 #23
LineReply Senate majority
 gademocrat7 Nov 18 #25
LineReply Senate majority!
 sheshe2 Nov 18 #26
LineReply Majority.
 Lucinda Nov 18 #27
LineReply Senate majority. Next.
 meadowlander Nov 18 #28
LineReply Majority Leader Warren. Nt
 Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #30
LineReply If we are 50/50 after GA then the majority is the first, last, and only thing to think of here
 dsc Nov 18 #31
LineNew Reply Senate majority!
 MoonRiver Nov 18 #33
LineNew Reply .
 Doremus Nov 18 #34
LineNew Reply Majority...
 Rice4VP Nov 18 #35
LineNew Reply Senate majority
 peggysue2 Nov 18 #36
LineNew Reply Easy, Senate majority is way way more important, not even close at all IMO.
 lark Nov 18 #37
LineNew Reply Senate majority. Not even a question....
 Sogo Nov 18 #38
LineNew Reply Keep them in the Senate
 Leith Nov 18 #39
LineNew Reply Senate majority.
 GeorgeGist Nov 18 #40
LineNew Reply Senate Majority, all day every day...nt
 Wounded Bear Nov 18 #41

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

Star Member we can do it (9,341 posts)

1. Senate majority hands down.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:45 PM

Star Member BlueInPhilly (849 posts)

2. Majority

No doubt about it

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:46 PM

Star Member handmade34 (20,507 posts)

3. ...

Senate majority. Hands down!!!!!

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:46 PM

Star Member redstatebluegirl (11,035 posts)

4. Senate Majority not even close!

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

Star Member relayerbob (3,411 posts)

5. Senate majority. Period.

In addition, anyone publicly joining for a position, in an attempt to bring pressure, would be instantly disqualified from any further consideration, if I was the one making the calls.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:47 PM

Star Member House of Roberts (3,323 posts)

6. If we get both Georgia Senate seats, then the majority is more important.

If we don't then what?

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:55 PM

Star Member DFW (41,354 posts)

14. Then the majority remains just as important, and a goal we have two years to shoot for

And without needing to reserve financial resources for the presidential race.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

Star Member MuseRider (30,812 posts)

7. Majority

They both still have a lot of influence wherever they are so we need them to stay in the Senate. Why? Is there some kind of fight going on about this? LOL, of course there is.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

Star Member LizBeth (7,209 posts)

8. Sanders is an Independent and can be his independent self in the senate. I would love Warren in

the treasury and Mass has something where the majority vote in the senator not the Gov. Surely Warren and Biden will know the rules and process and if they think they will lose the senate, then she will not be moved. If they think she will be replaced by a democrat then I really want her to be moved.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:21 PM

Star Member Green Line (1,048 posts)

20. Republican Governor Baker gets to appoint her replacement.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:44 PM

Star Member LizBeth (7,209 posts)

29. I trust Biden to know more than you. If it can't be done it won't. It is suggested that

there is a way for this to be done.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:48 PM

Star Member Dream Girl (3,592 posts)

9. Senate Majority - no question!

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:50 PM

jimfields33 (4,434 posts)

10. Senate majority for sure

But if Biden picks Warren, the republican Governor said he’d pick a Democratic Senator replacement because that’s what the voters voted for. Now typically no way to trust a republican but the Governor of Massachusetts is extremely popular even among Democratic residents of the state. Vermont? Not sure about that Governor at all.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:52 PM

Star Member Salviati (5,235 posts)

11. The senate majority, obviously.

Now is the time to go for actual victories, not symbolic victories.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:52 PM

Star Member DFW (41,354 posts)

12. Senate majority, no need to even ponder that one

If the Republicans block every initiative, the cabinet secretaries will be operating with at least one hand tied behind their backs as it is. There's nothing Warren and Sanders can do that can't be done by someone else. On the other hand, if we have a chance at a majority in the Senate, whether it's now or in 2022, that is by far the bigger prize. I am quite confident that both Sanders or Warren have figured that out on their own.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:58 PM

Jeebo (1,181 posts)

15. An easy call. OF COURSE the Senate majority is more important.

It's critical. Mitch McTurtle will stop EVERYTHING the Democrats try to do, including Senate confirmations. Even with the bare Senate majority of 50-50 plus Kamala Harris' tie-breaking vote, McTurtle will just relentlessly filibuster EVERYTHING. So even if the Democrats win those two Georgia seats, they'll still HAVE to blow up the filibuster. This is why I hope all of the sitting Democratic Senators will stay right where they are. There is NO margin for error in the Senate. We can't and shouldn't count on any Republican Senator dying in office or being forced to retire for health reasons. Anybody who wants Warren or Sanders in a cabinet post should understand this.

-- Ron

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:58 PM

Star Member Bettie (10,348 posts)

16. I would prefer Senator Warren stay in the senate

While I think she could do a great job at Treasury, she's a voice in the Senate that we can't lose.

Even if we had the majority without her, I'd say she should stay in the Senate.

Sanders should stay in the senate as well.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:09 PM

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (17,806 posts)

17. Gosh. Remember how back in 2016 people here

were saying Warren absolutely should not run for President because we need her in the Senate? Has that changed somehow?

But yeah, if they would not be replaced by Dems, then they need to stay in the Senate.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:15 PM

Budi (5,476 posts)

18. Biden's got his list for Labor Sec & Sanders isn't on it.

Anything else he's requesting?

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:20 PM

Star Member mtnsnake (22,229 posts)

19. I don't think Vermont has elected a Democratic senator in 199 yrs or more, so the answer is majority

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:23 PM

Budi (5,476 posts)

21. Biden's List

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214555199

Post #2

Biden adds 27 union leaders to transition team



You'll need some long solid years in the Union trenches to be included on this fine list:

Show your creds!

Department of Labor

For union members the Labor Department is probably the most important agency within the federal government.

The team at the Department of Labor will be responsible for reviewing the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, the Federal Labor Relations Authority, the National Mediation Board, the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Services, the Railroad Retirement Board, and the National Labor Relations Board. Signifying the Department’s importance Biden appointed the most union officials in this Department including:

*Jennifer Abruzzo, former general counsel to the NLRB and currently the special counsel for strategic initiatives with the Communications Workers of America (CWA)

*Jessica Chu, Chief of Staff and Special Counsel to the Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU)

*Micheal Hazard, United Association’s (UA) Veterans in Piping Program Administrator

*Nadia Marin-Molina, Executive Director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network (NDLON), a group that organizes and helps day laborers, migrant and low wage workers.

*Shaun O’Brien, Assistant Director of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)’s Research of Collective Bargaining Services division.

*Patricia Smith, senior counsel for the union affiliated National Employment Law Project (NELP). Before that Smith worked for President Obama as a solicitor of labor.

*Lynn Rhineheart, senior fellow at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) and the former general counsel for the AFL-CIO

*Other people added to the committee include former Labor Department and OSHA officials as well as state labor department officials.
The Department of Labor team is being run by Chris Lu, who was the former Deputy Secretary of Labor under President Barack Obama.

Union officials were also appointed to 14 other review teams, showing the expanse reach of unions and the immense knowledge that union leaders and staffers bring. Below are the labor appointments.
MORE...

BRAVO! President Joe Biden...
******



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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:29 PM

KitSileya (4,035 posts)

24. Thank you for posting this.

It does seem like all of DU want Senate majority, but it's good info if those who've been advocating for their favorite as leader of the Labor department protest Biden's appointments.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:50 PM

Budi (5,476 posts)

32. Looking at this list is a BIG signal to the direction Biden's Cabinet wiil go.

President Biden knows how to build American labor & he couldn't have chosen a stronger group of allies to get us there.

It is damned impressive!

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:24 PM

Statistical (19,264 posts)

22. Control of the Senate it isn't even a contest. The Senate is EVERYTHING.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:26 PM

Star Member LastLiberal in PalmSprings (11,081 posts)

23. Majority.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:32 PM

Star Member gademocrat7 (8,228 posts)

25. Senate majority

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:33 PM

Star Member sheshe2 (69,964 posts)

26. Senate majority!

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:37 PM

Star Member Lucinda (29,022 posts)

27. Majority.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:37 PM

meadowlander (2,835 posts)

28. Senate majority. Next.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:50 PM

Fiendish Thingy (6,157 posts)

30. Majority Leader Warren. Nt

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:50 PM

Star Member dsc (49,326 posts)

31. If we are 50/50 after GA then the majority is the first, last, and only thing to think of here

and no Sanders, no Warren in the cabinet. It would be nothing short of insane for us to give any GOP official the ability to scuttle the majority. Now if we aren't then it gets down to how long an appointee would serve since I think we would win either race.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:54 PM

Star Member MoonRiver (34,938 posts)

33. Senate majority!

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:59 PM

Doremus (6,870 posts)

34. .

Edited because I shouldn't try to work and reply at the same time.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:00 PM

Rice4VP (1,175 posts)

35. Majority...

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:01 PM

Star Member peggysue2 (7,520 posts)

36. Senate majority

Not even a close call.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:06 PM

Star Member lark (17,414 posts)

37. Easy, Senate majority is way way more important, not even close at all IMO.

We can do so much more with a Senate majority, like restaff the judiciary, bring SCOTUS in line with todays USA, ACA, union support, fiscal aid to families and states.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:08 PM

Star Member Sogo (1,951 posts)

38. Senate majority. Not even a question....

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:19 PM

Leith (6,529 posts)

39. Keep them in the Senate

They are there right now. Nobody with a lick of sense needs or wants rethugs to clamor for their seats.

Both Sanders and Warren understand the consequences if they leave the Senate. They have seniority and experience that nobody else can replace.

Quite frankly, there are dozens of good people not currently in the Senate who can fill the cabinet seats just as well.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:23 PM

Star Member GeorgeGist (23,756 posts)

40. Senate majority.

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:24 PM

Star Member Wounded Bear (42,319 posts)

41. Senate Majority, all day every day...nt

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