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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCook Political Map shows a nearly universal swing to Dems in 2020
and not all the votes are in:
https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker
(click on the middle gray button on the right to show 2020 vs. 2016)
Hey media members who are talking about how disappointing this year was for the Dems - take a look at this map!
New York surprised me with a large Repub shift - maybe there are still a lot of votes to count? Obviously Clinton was a "favorite daughter" in 2016, but I still wouldn't have expected this shift.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... that in red states the polling is REALLY far off comparted to the blue states.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)dsc
(52,160 posts)so they have many ballots left to count.
Cha
(297,171 posts)who needs to look at the map from what I've read by some
TY Spooky. Bookmark. The media most always gets something wrong.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)eg Manhattan (84% Dem so far) is only 60% in.
If all the counties returned the rest of their votes in the same proportion they have done so far, it would be a 16.5% margin for Biden, rather than a 13.5% one. If the remaining votes are more Democratic, due to Dems voting earlier more (if that's the pattern in NY - I don't know), it'll be bigger still.
Gives a more granular view.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214524497
spooky3
(34,441 posts)Wanderlust988
(509 posts)Colorado was a swing state not too long ago. CO and VA went blue really fast.
spooky3
(34,441 posts)VA voted for Obama twice and hasn't elected a Repub to statewide office in more than 10 years. I think part of it was the influx of highly educated people to urban areas, but also, IMHO, people here tend to be moderate and pragmatic. As long as the Republicans keep nominating RWNJs at all levels, they will lose all but the rural sections of VA, which are an increasingly small % of the population.
I really think NC is heading in the same direction.
W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)brooklynite
(94,511 posts)...because it's not the basis on which we elect Presidents.
As for the poor performance, the increase in national popular vote clearly didn't show up in the States where we tried to pick up Senate seats.
Every other democracy in the world uses this measure.
It is the electoral college that is non-democratic.
brooklynite
(94,511 posts)If you think this is an argument that's going to shift us away from the EC, you're hopelessly naive.
spooky3
(34,441 posts)And the Dems picked up a net Senate seat. The House seat losses were in Republican districts where Dems barely won previously, and to two Cuban-American new reps in Florida--and Dems still won the majority of all the seats that were up this year.
The problem is that you and some in the media are comparing the results to "expectations" set by pollsters. I suggest changing the frame of reference.
brooklynite
(94,511 posts)We were never going to beat Cornyn or McConnell (despite the expectations of many here); we SHOULD have been able to beat Collins (having won Maine for Biden) and Tillis (having won NC for Cooper).
triron
(21,999 posts)Also their voting system had some vulnerabilities that Republicans could have allowed to their benefit.