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Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:03 PM

Is the Blue/Red divide effectively a class divide?

Biden rebuilt the blue wall through the rapidly growing, diverse and prosperous suburbs of Atlanta, Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee. I am not taking the cities for granted, but his growth was in increasing his margins in the suburbs and exurbs. The blue voter is more likely from a more diverse, more prosperous and more educated part of the country than the red voter.

How do we address this in the next election? Do Dems embrace that the suburbs of America is were the growth of the party lies? As people leave the cities like LA, SF and NYC for places like Phoenix, Atlanta and Dallas, there is a huge opportunity to expand the map further.

Does this trend give more weight to the moderate voices of the party?


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Reply Is the Blue/Red divide effectively a class divide? (Original post)
NNguyenMD Nov 15 OP
onecaliberal Nov 15 #1
SharonClark Nov 15 #2
LonePirate Nov 15 #3
Chainfire Nov 15 #12
rso Nov 15 #4
Aristus Nov 15 #5
Turin_C3PO Nov 15 #6
GreenEyedLefty Nov 15 #7
roamer65 Nov 15 #17
Jrsygrl96 Nov 15 #8
SheltieLover Nov 15 #9
Shermann Nov 15 #10
judeling Nov 15 #11
BusyBeingBest Nov 15 #13
tarheelsunc Nov 15 #14
Buckeyeblue Nov 15 #15
Ferrets are Cool Nov 15 #16
Runningdawg Nov 15 #18
gulliver Nov 15 #19

Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:04 PM

1. No

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:05 PM

2. In some states, it's not class, it's a rural-urban divide.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

3. No, it's more of a rural vs. non-rural and racist white past vs. multi-racial present.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:24 PM

12. I think you nailed it

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:06 PM

4. Red/Blue

Time is definitely on our side. With each Election cycle, demographics change in our favor. It bodes well, though we will experience some troubled years until our dominance becomes insurmountable.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

5. Yes.

Between those with class and those with no class.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

6. No, I don't think it's class-based.

I agree with other posters in that it appears to be more a rural/urban divide. The suburbs are increasingly voting like the urban cities and yes, our efforts should be targeted there, especially in the Sun Belt and Texas.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:08 PM

7. In MI it's rural/urban

There is a long history of segregation here, mostly self-segregation.

I grew up in an area that is deep red now and consider myself lucky to have escaped. Cultural conditioning is hard to overcome, but it's possible.

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Response to GreenEyedLefty (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:12 PM

17. Very definitely rural/urban in MI.

Wayne, Washtenaw and Oakland counties are like a whole separate state from the rest of MI. I live in both right now and I feel like I cross a state boundary some where near Flint.

Migration into the above mentioned counties continues unabated from rural MI. People are going where the last of the jobs are located. Our counties show it in the roads. They are FAR worse than in the rural areas.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:12 PM

8. No.

IMHO, 45 supporters fit into one of 3 categories:
1. Suburban middle and upper middle class areas that used to classic Republican.
2. Evangelicals that cross demographics. They can be found anywhere.
3. Rural uneducated rabid MAGAts.
There is a wide expanse and some have crossed from formerly reasonable to angry cultists.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:19 PM

9. Not class based

I know numerous college educated, upper middle class folks who buy into the bs.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:21 PM

10. Free college!

I didn't like this idea originally but am warming up to it.

Trump won with non-college educated whites, especially men. He barely wins with college educated white men, and loses badly with college educated white women.

College graduates tend to migrate to urban areas and build more wealth. But the real divide starts with higher education.

Free college is the answer! We need to get those rust belters some of dat der book learnin'.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:23 PM

11. Screw the Suburbs

The thing is that what ever we do will always redound to the Suburbs benefit. Trickle down's overflow gets sponged up there and bottom up flows through.

The Rural/Urban split is a class divide. It just is that it is a divided class.
Our future should be to go back to the progressive era where it was the Rural+Urban alliance that pushed the country forward.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:55 PM

13. White christian culture vs. virtually everyone else who doesn't fit into

that category. White christian culture is still our country's default setting, even with changing race demographics. The Republicans basically own it--it's Protestant/evangelical more than Catholic, male-dominated, not necessarily overtly racist (more like a self-segregating white-flight type of habit), and resistant to higher levels of education and economic status. It's the boot-strap thing, the got-mine thing (and you'd have yours if you just made better choices and weren't so lazy), the rugged-individualist thing, the temporarily-embarrassed-millionaire thing where they identify more with business owners and management and CEO's than with workers.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:04 PM

14. No, it's an IQ divide. eom

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:05 PM

15. It's more of a head up their ass divide...

Trumpers have a great propensity to go through life with their heads jammed squarely up their asses.

These people are like a herd of buffalo following their leaders right off a cliff.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:09 PM

16. No

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:40 PM

18. No

It's a religious and educational divide.

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Response to NNguyenMD (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 02:18 PM

19. It's a "stars on thars" tribal divide based on status and economic anxiety.

Most of it is based on each side responding to tropes and stereotypes about the people on the other side. We have two ears and one mouth, as the saying goes. That's because we need to listen twice as much as we need to speak.

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