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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:16 PM

Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S. (PDB)

August 6, 2001 George Bush was handed a CIA prepared (PDB) alerting him of the intentions of Osama Bin Ladin. Bush and Condi Rice had ample time to assemble and coordinate a defense that would have avoided the disaster of Sept. 11.

So why does the MSM keep pumping the meme that the Clinton Administration's "transition delay" after Election 2000 was a contributing factor?

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Reply Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S. (PDB) (Original post)
oasis Nov 14 OP
MustLoveBeagles Nov 14 #1
oasis Nov 14 #9
mr_lebowski Nov 14 #2
Cha Nov 15 #37
lisa58 Nov 14 #3
ffr Nov 14 #4
intrepidity Nov 14 #5
Ninga Nov 14 #6
oasis Nov 14 #15
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 15 #36
uponit7771 Nov 15 #44
PufPuf23 Nov 14 #7
Doodley Nov 14 #8
oasis Nov 14 #21
Chili Nov 14 #10
oasis Nov 14 #12
Chili Nov 14 #24
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 14 #11
oasis Nov 14 #17
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 14 #18
Captain Stern Nov 14 #13
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 14 #14
Me. Nov 14 #16
oasis Nov 14 #19
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 14 #20
oasis Nov 14 #23
Me. Nov 14 #34
oasis Nov 15 #35
Me. Nov 15 #46
LeftInTX Nov 14 #22
oasis Nov 14 #25
Make7 Nov 14 #26
misanthrope Nov 14 #27
oasis Nov 14 #30
uponit7771 Nov 15 #45
roamer65 Nov 14 #28
oasis Nov 14 #31
sarcasmo Nov 14 #29
dajoki Nov 14 #32
oasis Nov 14 #33
radius777 Nov 15 #38
oasis Nov 15 #40
canetoad Nov 15 #39
oasis Nov 15 #41
Kid Berwyn Nov 15 #42
oasis Nov 15 #43

Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:17 PM

1. Short answer:

Bothsiderism

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:31 PM

9. I've heard the "Clinton Admin transition" example from both CNN

and MSNBC. It is extremely annoying.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:17 PM

2. Because the M$M f***ing sucks at explaining things accurately? (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 02:20 AM

37. YES.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:18 PM

3. My thoughts exactly

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:20 PM

4. All the above.

Because there's profit behind what they report.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:22 PM

5. I think they're trying to make the case that *any* delay could have consequences

Maybe that PDB isn't the best example, but the only one they could think of?

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:25 PM

6. Because the alternative answer is that Pres Cheney et al, totally disregarded the intel received

in the transition. And because of that, Pres Cheney et al, are murderous criminals.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:41 PM

15. We can't forget the Bush's relationship with the Saudis. nt

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 01:56 AM

36. Exactly

The Clinton WH and especially people like Richard Clarke were pretty adamant about warning the incoming WH about Al-Queda and the dangers they posed. Cheney, et. were extremely slow to take things seriously although there were some stories circulating that some members stopped traveling by air commercially in the months leading up to 9/11. In any event, it does not seem to be due to a lack of trying by Clinton officials and the transition delay wasn't caused by Clinton officials being *icks and refusing to concede. There were legit court challenges ongoing for awhile.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:54 AM

44. +1,

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:27 PM

7. Look to the ownership of the MSM.

The MSM sets the bounds of what is open for public discourse, confuses a much as enlightens by design, provides personalities that some like and other hate, and serves to normalize outrageous events and creeping fascism in general.

Need new Fairness Doctrine and anti-trust to break up the current media companies.

The CIA does not have clean hands (and never did). One ofthe CIA's main missions back when founded in 1947s was to imbed the various media with CIA assets.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:29 PM

8. Media bias is always against Democrats.

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Response to Doodley (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:54 PM

21. The MSM Al Gore bias was always strong. nt

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:34 PM

10. I know, I think that every time I hear that excuse.

Do they not remember the senate hearings, where Condoleeza Rice had to testify? I do.

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Response to Chili (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:38 PM

12. Condi "Who woulda thunk it because we didn't connect the dots" Rice.

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Response to oasis (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:00 PM

24. Yep.

That's her. They had 5 weeks to investigate.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:38 PM

11. Bush's team was obviously aware of it.

I still recall reading articles in the Dayton Daily News about the threats, many weeks before 9/11. I think some members of the Bush administration even held some "drills" here (which didn't interest me) and elsewhere to supposedly prepare people for attacks.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:45 PM

17. IIRC, Bush was on vacay, so he paid little attention to PDBs. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:49 PM

18. His administration was aware for sure.

There were articles written about it in my local newspaper, but usually not on the front pages.

They ignored several people in the intelligence community who had good and specific information, though.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:39 PM

13. On a side note...anybody notice that we're really not worrying much about Islamic terrorists?

I'm guessing the terrorists pretty much gave up on terrorizing us.

They probably can't think of a way to fuck us over any more than we already fucked ourselves over by electing trump.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:41 PM

14. I'm expecting it to be "ramped up" in the media soon.

We'll see.

Republicans have to create an outside threat somehow when Biden is in power.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:44 PM

16. Exactly...This Has Been Ticking Me Off

I think they are trying to use it as persuasion but it makes me angry

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Response to Me. (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:50 PM

19. I believe they're taking a "subtle" jab at Bill Clinton and Al Gore. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:53 PM

20. Bill O'Reilly immediately tried to blame Clinton.

Almost everyone in the media was expressing sadness and trying to stick with the facts after the attacks, and then that loud-mouth did his usual partisan and baseless attacks.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:00 PM

23. From O'Rielly it would be no surprise to me. The MSM these past few

days have been working the Clinton/Gore angle... ad nauseum.

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Response to oasis (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:02 PM

34. I Don't Know Why

I believe Gore was cheated out of the presidency but for the sake of the country he stood down. Don't forget whose brother was governor of that state. I've since read that Justice O'Connor believes she made a mistake putting her thumb on the scale like that.

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Response to Me. (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

35. Scalia is the number one villain in the 2000 election theft. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:14 AM

46. Agreed

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:58 PM

22. They really need to look at why swearing in was moved from March 4th to Jan 20th

Roosevelt couldn't do anything for months, while the country slid deeper into depression

https://www.history.com/news/why-does-inauguration-day-fall-on-january-20

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:09 PM

25. They need to stay on Trump's ass about letting go, because he lost.

btw, thanks for the link on the transition date change

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:23 PM

26. 2000 election decided on Dec 12. This year's election, over one month sooner.

Transition delay? Doesn't the winner need to be determined for the transition to proceed?

We have our winner, no excuse for any delay.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:25 PM

27. Because that is what was in the 9/11 Commission Report

No one is saying it to "blame" Clinton.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:34 PM

30. At least they're not going so far as to say, "Gore should've conceded".....

not yet.

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Response to misanthrope (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:55 AM

45. The 911 report does not say the Intel Miss was because of the transition

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:49 PM

28. It's irritating.

Bush ignored that goddam PDB.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:40 PM

31. Yup, that's why we were attacked. Delayed transition had nothing to do

with the 9/11 attack, it was the incompetence of Bush's administration.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:57 PM

29. Will the color code chart be back next month?

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:59 PM

32. Yeah, I'm sick of hearing...

that the transition was the problem from the msm. Bush had plenty of warning.

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Response to dajoki (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:20 PM

33. The next time they come up with that b.s. I'm going to explode.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 02:44 AM

38. 9/11 happened many months after W was installed.

They had more than enough time but ignored the info the Clinton admin handed down to them (similar to how Trump admin ignored the pandemic playbook Obama left for them).

Repubs spent years trying to bring down Bill for a bj, thus distracting the gov't from dealing with terrorism etc. The idea that they 'cared' about national security is a joke. Clinton/Gore admin kept us safe while they did not.

Repubs suck - amazing how anybody still thinks they're good for the economy, war and peace, etc. They are only good for lining the pockets of the 1 percent and making racists and theocrats feel good about themselves.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:18 AM

40. We can't allow the MSM to rewrite history. Bushco was given a pass

because our nation was facing a crisis and had to “come together” in the fight against terrorism. A fine senator, and disabled veteran Democrat Max Cleland, was booted out of office for not buying in to 100% of Bush policy. I will never forget that.

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Response to oasis (Original post)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:47 AM

39. Unrec

"Pumping the meme?" Really ?

Let it go.

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Response to canetoad (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:25 AM

41. Say "pretty please" and I'll think about it.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 09:52 AM

43. Thank you, Kid Berwyn for these helpful links.

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