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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Nov 2020

Asha Rangappa - STEP DOWN FROM THE LEDGE THREAD




STEP DOWN FROM THE LEDGE THREAD. Let's take a deep breath and understand what is happening and why. When we understand motives, we are better able to evaluate the situation clearly and choose how we want to respond, rather than react. So why are we dealing with this sudden crazy?


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2. First, EGO. Specifically, Trump's ego. Trump has never had a situation so completely beyond his control. He believed that his exhortations of "mail fraud," perhaps combined with Pooty's help, would result in a win. He is frightened and disoriented and unable to cope w reality

3. For reasons that are sad and disturbing, the people around him -- including his staff, many R officials -- can't seem to break it to him. So expect a huge 💩how as they enable his tantrum: psycho tweets, firings, threats, etc. Smile and nod like you would to a crazy person


4. GRIFT. This entire presidency has been about making money off of the office. The "fraud" narrative is an excuse for his Fatal Attraction emails demanding money from his supporters. That $ is going to his campaign "debt" (which exists bc everyone was skimming off the top)

5. THE NEXT CON. He has to set up a narrative that, once he leaves office, will give him a clear "enemy" against which to launch his next venture -- Trump TV. At the end of all this, I expect not just the usual suspects, but Fox News, SCOTUS, and several R's to be on the 💩list

6. ATTENTION. Boo Boo is not going to be ignored. Having attention go to President-elect Biden -- his plans, his celebration, his FACE -- drives him bonkers. So he needs to bring it back to him, even if it means acting like a complete lunatic

7. FEAR. Trump is facing some serious criminal investigations and potential indictments once he leaves office. It's about to get real for him. Some thoughts on the crazy to expect on that front https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/09/trump-justice-department-pardon/

8. These are the basic things I see. Why is most of the GOP going along with it? I think bc 1) they are scared of the Senate runoff in Jan and 2) this is their jam. They have no choice. See here

9. It feels scary, but the problem is they gambled on voter suppression, and lost. The courts can't help them under these facts. So all they have left are attempts to create chaos and panic in an attempt to get YOU to buy into their narrative. Don't. Let it play out. And breathe.

P.S. I always take for granted that my followers follow the people I follow. My recommendations (not exhaustive, just off top of my head):

For authoritarian tactics and how to recognize them:

@ruthbenghiat
@jasonintrator
@jenmercieca
@Teri_Kanefield
2A. For assessment of the *real* merits of legal claims (and doomsday scenarios like “faithless elector” nonsense, etc.):

@steve_vladeck
@eliehonig
@JoyceWhiteVance
@jgeltzer
@neal_katyal
@Mimirocah1
@rgoodlaw
3A. For insight into what these doofuses are up to, from people who have been in or close to this scene:

@RadioFreeTom
@WalshFreedom
@SteveSchmidtSES
@Scaramucci

(Following them doesn’t mean you have to be BFFs with them, people! But learn from people who know)
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Asha Rangappa - STEP DOWN FROM THE LEDGE THREAD (Original Post) Roland99 Nov 2020 OP
trump's enablers like barr, moscow mitch, leningrad lindsay graham and others could also be samsingh Nov 2020 #1
Great point. Motivation & self survival of enablers key! Obvious to sane/unencumbered Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #6
Excellent post.. TY!! Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #2
Good post...but don't really feel like people are freaking out. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #3
Yes. Quite a few are freaking out or at least beyond Collins concerned Roland99 Nov 2020 #4
I wouldn't go by that. Not seeing it elsewhere. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #7
I'm a little freaked out inside.. just Cha Nov 2020 #12
Not understanding this at all. "Step off the ledge" is such a Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #13
Think of it more as "Come back in the window"........Don't jump1! lastlib Nov 2020 #14
If trump does something really really terrible, it is on ALL the republicans in congress, starting BComplex Nov 2020 #20
His niece, Mary, is onto him. BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #10
If they ellie Nov 2020 #5
Lol. Me too! He caused a quarter million people to die! Bet every Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #9
Sorry, but if you're not scared shitless at the thought of Trump, in command of... LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #8
Precisely. Except for #3. He's a severely flawed narcissist. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #16
Agree with all but your 2nd point flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #17
Rt & Bookmark! Very well explained by Cha Nov 2020 #11
This brutish, half-mad criminal has blundered and blustered his way to this point. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #15
Excellent thread - thanks for posting. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #18
You know he's going to commit fresh new crimes when he leaves office: SunSeeker Nov 2020 #19

samsingh

(17,594 posts)
1. trump's enablers like barr, moscow mitch, leningrad lindsay graham and others could also be
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 10:41 PM
Nov 2020

criminals caught up in trump's criminal enterprise.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. Great point. Motivation & self survival of enablers key! Obvious to sane/unencumbered
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:32 PM
Nov 2020

people - he needs to go. So their personal situations and motivation key.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
3. Good post...but don't really feel like people are freaking out.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:29 PM
Nov 2020

We have the presidency in the bag. Doubt many are worried about that, are they really???

Now what Covid-45 will do... don't think anyone on either side knows that. We are talking maniacal thinking. Perhaps trained, expert psychologists can ascertain?

Cha

(297,034 posts)
12. I'm a little freaked out inside.. just
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:56 PM
Nov 2020

so sick of it all.. 2 more long months.

December should go pretty fast though. We'll see what happens Dec 14.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. Not understanding this at all. "Step off the ledge" is such a
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:01 AM
Nov 2020

curious title. It implies that we are all gonna commit suicide or something over trump. That's outlandish imho.

Yes, anyone with a brain is concerned that Trump may do something unbelievably crazy. Hell, due to his utter negligence, a quarter million US citizens are dead. There is nothing out of the realm of possibility. Why demean the concerned is my only point.

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
20. If trump does something really really terrible, it is on ALL the republicans in congress, starting
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 11:58 AM
Nov 2020

with mitch mcconnell.

They have seen what he's done to the security of our country during this vulnerable period, and they have done NOTHING to secure the USA.

They are not patriots. They are not even decent people.

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
10. His niece, Mary, is onto him.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:37 PM
Nov 2020

Both as a trained professional psychiatrist and as a first hand insider who knows what this family is made of.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
9. Lol. Me too! He caused a quarter million people to die! Bet every
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:37 PM
Nov 2020

loved one would volunteer to tell him he lost!

LudwigPastorius

(9,126 posts)
8. Sorry, but if you're not scared shitless at the thought of Trump, in command of...
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 11:35 PM
Nov 2020

nuclear weapons with nothing left to lose, you don't know him or his history.

1) He's fucking crazy.

2) He's never faced a significant losing scenario before in his entire life.

3) He is at heart an authoritarian Nazi, and he couldn't give a rat's ass about the Constitution, the legal code, norms, or traditions. He will, most likely, employ the tactics of authoritarian Nazis once his legal options are toast.

4) He might resort to a violent lashing-out, to put the country on a "war footing" and make him a "war president", in order to frighten people into supporting him, and to invoke emergency powers. Iran would be the most likely choice for an attack.

5) He has fired/forced the resignations of precise two people who would be in charge of securing our nuclear arsenal and having the final say on troop deployment.

6) He's got a Supreme Court that very well could back up these moves.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. Precisely. Except for #3. He's a severely flawed narcissist.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:48 AM
Nov 2020

without any values or ideology. ANYONE who gets in his way, from a lowly peasant on the street to the pope in the Vatican will face his ire.

If a lowly peasant on the street likes him, they are A-OK in his twisted mind. Authoritarian, yes. He had always had everyone...wives, employees, children do exactly what he wished. Until now MF.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
17. Agree with all but your 2nd point
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:50 AM
Nov 2020

He's had many losing scenarios, more than I can count. More important lawsuits than I can remember, there's Trump University, the charity fiasco, coupla divorces, major defectors like Cohen, his eldest sons are the definition of stupid, Trump Casino (now a public hazard which will be blown up a week after inauguration day), impeached...

No, not nearly as many losses as we'd like, not by any means. But people keep saying he's 'never lost anything in his whole life" or words to that effect, and I'm thinking that he should actually be quite used to losing, he does it pretty regularly.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
15. This brutish, half-mad criminal has blundered and blustered his way to this point.
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:35 AM
Nov 2020

He ended up in the most powerful job in the world with nothing more than that. Imagine if everything else was the same, but he was actually smart.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
19. You know he's going to commit fresh new crimes when he leaves office:
Tue Nov 10, 2020, 12:59 AM
Nov 2020

From the WaPo link in the OP:

This is especially true when we consider that the FBI’s counterintelligence interest in Trump will continue even after he leaves office: He’ll still know highly classified information, so it will be more important than ever for the intelligence community to know whether foreign countries have any leverage they can exploit over the former president. This would provide grounds for further investigation into Trump’s, and the Trump Organization’s, financial entanglements abroad.
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