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BYALOTHat RetweetedScoop: President Trump plans to brandish obituaries of people who supposedly voted but are dead plus hold campaign-style rallies in an effort to prolong his fight against apparent insurmountable election results, four Trump advisers tell me
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getagrip_already
(14,605 posts)That's not quite the same thing as mailing in for a person who already died. The one case where this happened was a trump supporter, and they were caught because the state xrefed death certificates with voting rolls.
Btw, in some states if you die after you vote, they are ok with it counting.
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exboyfil
(17,862 posts)So they can sue the crap out of you.
dalton99a
(81,386 posts)What If an Absentee Voter Dies Before Election Day?
What happens when an eligible voter casts an absentee ballot and then passes away before Election Day? This question comes up more and more, as absentee/mail voting, and even early in-person voting, gain in popularity.
Do these pre-Election Day votes count? Like everything else related to elections, the answer varies from state to state. By our count, statutes in at least 13 states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Idaho, Florida, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Tennessee and Virginia) direct election officials to count these ballots.
Massachusetts has done so most recently, with the enactment of HB 4820 in July: The absentee or early ballot of any voter who was eligible to vote at the time the ballot was cast shall not be deemed invalid solely because the voter became ineligible to vote by reason by death after casting the ballot.
Again by our count, 13 states go the other way and are clear that these ballots are not to be counted: Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky (by an AGs opinion, 77-667), Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, South Dakota and Wisconsin.
Regardless of the law, it is hard to retrieve a ballot from someone who has died between casting it and Election Day. Once the absentee ballot has been verified and the ballot is removed from the envelope for counting, the ballot cant be retraced to the voterits a secret.
Catching a ballot, then, is only possible for ballots that are still in their return envelopes. How quickly do election officials get notice of deaths? Fortunately, most statutes make it clear that these ballots are to be rejected only if the election administrators know about the deathand also that if a vote is counted that shouldnt have been, it does not invalidate the election.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)which Team T no doubt identified some time ago, then exploited in cooperating red states.
LiberalFighter
(50,767 posts)Here in Indiana at least in my county they can pull them from the machines if needed when they early vote in person.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Which I've suspected since election night. This would explain for example the odd correspondence between Covid mortality and Trump votes.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,983 posts)He's gonna hurt himself more than anyone else. What an idiot.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)OneBro
(1,159 posts)It's the one where republicans scream and moan about voter fraud, then the fraudster turns out to be a republican and then . . . "Hillary's Emails!" starts strobing on the screen.
Freethinker65
(9,998 posts)Same name and city, different person? Or a deceased relative with same/similar name.
This is how they made "mistakes" purging voters.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Aside from the fact that it's perfectly legal to cast a vote and die afterwards.
bluestarone
(16,851 posts)The judge will ask, Can you prove WHO they voted for?
MacKasey
(982 posts)Our ballots are supposed to be private, they may have even voted for tRump
You beat me by a minute, great minds think alike
struggle4progress
(118,214 posts)And Michael Smith died too, but here's a ballot from Michael Smith! And Robert Smith died, but here's a ballot from Robert Smith! Why is the whole Smith family voting from beyond the grave? And they're voting in mutiple states!"
madaboutharry
(40,183 posts)He is accusing people of committing a felony. And how do they know it is the actual dead person who someone else voted for? There are people in my family that have the same name as 10,000 other people.
Trump needs to be in a psychiatric hospital.
ok_cpu
(2,045 posts)1. It's an ongoing fundraising grift where the lemmings are contributing to retire campaign debt under the guise of supporting this nonsense legal action.
2. They desperately need to undermine vote by mail and anything that expands access and threatens the suppression levers they reliably pull on a single election day. Sen Graham said the quiet part out loud when he said that if they concede this one, they'll never elect another republican president.
3. It's an ego stroke for tRump and a show of force for republicans that need to be kept at heel during a Biden admin.
The priority is probably different depending on whether it's tRump or the GOP, but this is what I think they are up to. To them, "legal" votes are in-person votes cast on election day.
spanone
(135,781 posts)trump & company did all they could to stop every voter they could from voting....going to courts time after time and sabotaging the USPS
I imagine they will pay no price for that, eh?
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)We win.
And by the way, we need to investigate the GOP for voter fraud as well. With their predilection for projection, we would probably discover an organized campaign to do exactly what they're accusing Dems of doing.
dhill926
(16,309 posts)more and more irrelevant every day...
crickets
(25,951 posts)And the lack of sensitivity toward those who've lost loved ones so recently is, as usual, off the charts. What a wacko.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)And it turns out their Republican kids were voting for the passed on parents and also still collecting their Social Security Benefits?
On second thought: It really wouldn't surprise me at all.
fierywoman
(7,667 posts)WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Every time the Republican Party attempts to claim illegal voters, it always turn out that they are the most guilty by far.
Behind the Aegis
(53,919 posts)BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)go after that administration like a crazed badger for using my family member for political purposes and for intruding upon our privacy and grief. This is stunningly bad even for him.
NCDem47
(2,248 posts)This will be delish.
procon
(15,805 posts)just another person with the same, or a similar, name that has no connection to the actual voter?
The stupid goes bone deep.
Straw Man
(6,622 posts)... on both sides. How many? Maybe a few. Maybe dozens. Maybe hundreds. Probably not thousands, and certainly not tens of thousands.
In other words, the election is over. He's just going to embarrass himself and his followers further.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)COLUMBUS - Early voting started in Ohio almost a month ago. So it's possible that some voters have subsequently died.
What happens to their ballots? In Ohio, those ballots count as long as the person was alive when the ballot was cast and it was properly cast, the Ohio secretary of state's office confirmed.
States such as Florida, Louisiana and Tennessee have laws that direct election officials to count the ballots of deceased voters, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
That's not the case in every state. Indiana, Kentucky and Pennsylvania, for example, do not count the ballots of voters who die before Election Day.
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)While the Con cons.