Scoop: President Trump plans to brandish obituaries of people who supposedly voted but are dead ...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

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Scoop: President Trump plans to brandish obituaries of people who supposedly voted but are dead — plus hold campaign-style rallies — in an effort to prolong his fight against apparent insurmountable election results, four Trump advisers tell me

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[getagrip_already]

1. They probably died of covid after mailing in absentee ballots....

That's not quite the same thing as mailing in for a person who already died. The one case where this happened was a trump supporter, and they were caught because the state xrefed death certificates with voting rolls.

Btw, in some states if you die after you vote, they are ok with it counting.

[exboyfil]

2. Please mention the name of someone alive

So they can sue the crap out of you.

[roamer65]

5. THIS.

[dalton99a]

3. What If an Absentee Voter Dies Before Election Day?

https://www.ncsl.org/blog/2020/10/20/what-if-an-absentee-voter-dies-before-election-day-.aspx
What If an Absentee Voter Dies Before Election Day?

What happens when an eligible voter casts an absentee ballot and then passes away before Election Day? This question comes up more and more, as absentee/mail voting, and even early in-person voting, gain in popularity.

Do these pre-Election Day votes count? Like everything else related to elections, the answer varies from state to state. By our count, statutes in at least 13 states (Arkansas, Connecticut, Idaho, Florida, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Tennessee and Virginia) direct election officials to count these ballots.

Massachusetts has done so most recently, with the enactment of HB 4820 in July: “The absentee or early ballot of any voter who was eligible to vote at the time the ballot was cast shall not be deemed invalid solely because the voter became ineligible to vote by reason by death after casting the ballot.”

Again by our count, 13 states go the other way and are clear that these ballots are not to be counted: Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky (by an AG’s opinion, 77-667), Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

Regardless of the law, it is hard to retrieve a ballot from someone who has died between casting it and Election Day. Once the absentee ballot has been verified and the ballot is removed from the envelope for counting, the ballot can’t be retraced to the voter—it’s a secret.

Catching a ballot, then, is only possible for ballots that are still in their return envelopes. How quickly do election officials get notice of deaths? Fortunately, most statutes make it clear that these ballots are to be rejected only if the election administrators know about the death—and also that if a vote is counted that shouldn’t have been, it does not invalidate the election.

[ucrdem]

6. In other words, a golden opportunity for cheating

which Team T no doubt identified some time ago, then exploited in cooperating red states.

[LiberalFighter]

19. Which is why some states wait until Election day or the following day before counting them.

Here in Indiana at least in my county they can pull them from the machines if needed when they early vote in person.

[ucrdem]

4. This probably means he's guilty of exactly that.

Which I've suspected since election night. This would explain for example the odd correspondence between Covid mortality and Trump votes.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Only significant voter fraud was attempted with Hummer full of ballots & 2 RW Q lunatics in Philly.n

[C_U_L8R]

8. Trump is just prolonging his own demise.

He's gonna hurt himself more than anyone else. What an idiot.

[roamer65]

9. I smell us winning two GA senate seats in January.

[OneBro]

10. I remember this movie!

It's the one where republicans scream and moan about voter fraud, then the fraudster turns out to be a republican and then . . . "Hillary's Emails!" starts strobing on the screen.

[Freethinker65]

11. Can families sue for slander if he is wrong?

Same name and city, different person? Or a deceased relative with same/similar name.

This is how they made "mistakes" purging voters.

[BlueLucy]

12. This is very hurtful for democracy.

[Xipe Totec]

13. How do we know who they voted for?

Aside from the fact that it's perfectly legal to cast a vote and die afterwards.

[bluestarone]

15. EXACTLY

The judge will ask, Can you prove WHO they voted for?

[MacKasey]

14. How does he know who they voted for?

Our ballots are supposed to be private, they may have even voted for tRump

You beat me by a minute, great minds think alike

[struggle4progress]

16. "I know James Smith died but here's a ballot from James Smith!

And Michael Smith died too, but here's a ballot from Michael Smith! And Robert Smith died, but here's a ballot from Robert Smith! Why is the whole Smith family voting from beyond the grave? And they're voting in mutiple states!"

[madaboutharry]

17. That seems really stupid.

He is accusing people of committing a felony. And how do they know it is the actual dead person who someone else voted for? There are people in my family that have the same name as 10,000 other people.

Trump needs to be in a psychiatric hospital.

[ok_cpu]

18. He and the GOP have multiple goals

1. It's an ongoing fundraising grift where the lemmings are contributing to retire campaign debt under the guise of supporting this nonsense legal action.

2. They desperately need to undermine vote by mail and anything that expands access and threatens the suppression levers they reliably pull on a single election day. Sen Graham said the quiet part out loud when he said that if they concede this one, they'll never elect another republican president.

3. It's an ego stroke for tRump and a show of force for republicans that need to be kept at heel during a Biden admin.

The priority is probably different depending on whether it's tRump or the GOP, but this is what I think they are up to. To them, "legal" votes are in-person votes cast on election day.

[spanone]

20. Oh, that should win him the election

trump & company did all they could to stop every voter they could from voting....going to courts time after time and sabotaging the USPS

I imagine they will pay no price for that, eh?

[Mr. Ected]

21. Donald Trump is dead to over 75 million people

We win.

And by the way, we need to investigate the GOP for voter fraud as well. With their predilection for projection, we would probably discover an organized campaign to do exactly what they're accusing Dems of doing.

[dhill926]

22. it will be delicious, watching him become...

more and more irrelevant every day...

[crickets]

23. Does he really want to claim a high enough death rate to tip the scales?

And the lack of sensitivity toward those who've lost loved ones so recently is, as usual, off the charts. What a wacko.

[yellowcanine]

24. So he is saying dead people committed voting fraud?! Better get Billy Barr right on that!

[WyattKansas]

25. Wouldn't it be hilarious if tRUMP listed 'dead' voters that are Republicans & tRUMP voters.

And it turns out their Republican kids were voting for the passed on parents and also still collecting their Social Security Benefits?

On second thought: It really wouldn't surprise me at all.

[fierywoman]

29. Even if they voted for him?

[WyattKansas]

35. Yes, tRUMP's actual voters.

Every time the Republican Party attempts to claim illegal voters, it always turn out that they are the most guilty by far.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. No doubt, it will be Edgar Neubauer

[BusyBeingBest]

27. If that were a deceased loved one of mine, I'd

go after that administration like a crazed badger for using my family member for political purposes and for intruding upon our privacy and grief. This is stunningly bad even for him.

[NCDem47]

28. If they execute this like Four Seasons Landscaping...

This will be delish.

[procon]

30. How does he know its the same person and not

just another person with the same, or a similar, name that has no connection to the actual voter?

The stupid goes bone deep.

[Straw Man]

31. I have no doubt that some fraudulent ballots were cast ...

... on both sides. How many? Maybe a few. Maybe dozens. Maybe hundreds. Probably not thousands, and certainly not tens of thousands.

In other words, the election is over. He's just going to embarrass himself and his followers further.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

32. Presumably focused on Pennsylvania?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/02/what-happens-if-absentee-voter-dies-before-election-day-ohio/6122503002/

COLUMBUS - Early voting started in Ohio almost a month ago. So it's possible that some voters have subsequently died.

What happens to their ballots? In Ohio, those ballots count as long as the person was alive when the ballot was cast and it was properly cast, the Ohio secretary of state's office confirmed.

States such as Florida, Louisiana and Tennessee have laws that direct election officials to count the ballots of deceased voters, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

That's not the case in every state. Indiana, Kentucky and Pennsylvania, for example, do not count the ballots of voters who die before Election Day.

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Giving his fans something to hang on to

While the Con cons.