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In his ending quest to prove that both sides are exactly the same and criticizes them equally, Stewart was pushing several right wing talking points regarding the attack in Libya last month. For shame Jon!
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Something seriously fucked up happened there. It's certainly not what the right claims it is but it's not what the White House says it was either. Let's not pretend there isn't egg on the President's face on this. You just don't like that it's being pointed out.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)That's a RW talking point. He did the same thing to ACORN a few years back. He just accepted everything coming out of the right without question.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He offers his view. He isn't telling you that he is the unvarnished truth, he's offering his opinion. I don't begrudge him his opinion, even if I occasionally disagree with him, nor would I begrudge you YOURS, if I occasional disagree with you
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But it is another to push a right wing talking point.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)doing the view. quite a little segment laughing at the pres and then later with jordon president. facepalming himself and all over absurdity the pres was doing the view and skipped meetings.
it wasnt true.
the view was taped the day before. he should have easily known this.
i dont have issue when going after the pres, but surely he should have the facts correct and not made up.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,408 posts)I've always thought he was weird and not funny in the slightest.
What is with the frigging shouting?? Moronic.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)of living in an echo chamber.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)that is hardly "carrying water" for repukes
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)is carrying water.
cali
(114,904 posts)Jeezus I hate stupid hyper partisanship.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Once he accused the President of playing politics, he was parroting GOP talking points. This was the same crap he pulled on ACORN a few years ago.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The president playing politics. Say it ain't so. That isn't a RW talking point. It is standard operating procedure for any president.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And I don't agree that that is SOP of any president, even Bush.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Keep digging.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)you can't refute my point so you resorted to a personal attack instead.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Nor was there anything to refute.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)my point.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)And that, furthermore, no decent person should ever repeat that "talking point"?
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)and Stewart is repeating with it.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Obama is not above criticism.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But is should be fair criticism, not based on a BS GOP talking point.
Maine-ah
(9,902 posts)played politics with 9/11, Iraq war or Afghanistan?
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)I said that everything a President does is not based purely on politics. As for President Bush, he did great work in Africa to help fight AIDS. That wasn't playing politics on his part.
So bored with this crap. "Yer either fer us or yer agin us!!11!!"
I just came back to this thread and....well, from what I have read I should have just stopped right here!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)He's part of the 99%, I think Patrick is a fucking traitor though
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)is that good men do nothing.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)"doing something"?
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Interesting comment for someone with over 1,400 posts.
Is is me or is the hypocrisy in here getting a bit thick.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)liberals of all stripes could come and discuss ideas of all stripes. Now I find it a place that has gone so far off the deep end that some.. person actually thinks Jon Stewart is a water carrier for the GOP.
And to answer your question.. IT"S YOU. If you actually believe that Jon Stewart is a water carrier for the GOP then you are part of the problem. Willfully blind.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)That's not being willfully blind. That's calling him out when he does it. Being willfully blind is not standing for criticism for one of your gods.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)I LOVE this president and 95% of what the media wants to be critical of him is BS.
But, they absolutely botched the Libya situation.
It was CLEAR it was a planned and coordinated attack at the time. Rachel Maddow did an EXCELLENT piece the day after really breaking it down, in more detail than anyone since.
All they had to do was just hold tight, and united, to saying, "Here the FACTS, this happened and this happened" while not committing either way as to whether it was a terrorist attack or not. Simply say, we want to make sure we have all the information and are able to be as confident in possible in what happened before we speak as to any kind of motivations for the attack.
But, they came out immediately saying it was just an extension of the protests.
They had to know it was a coordinated attack and the moment ANYONE spoke for the administration in saying otherwise was a problem. I don't know their motivation, but because they did this, it is reasonable to speculate that it was for political reasons to not admin to a "terrorist attack" on the 9-11 anniversary.
They don't have to call it that, but they should have not said ANYTHING about WHAT it was until they know for sure and then said it was a planned attack, because it was.
You could tell Stewart wasn't loving it, but it was a botch by the this admin, and fair game.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)That is not reasonable.
dkf
(37,305 posts)How feasible is it to think people bring RPG rockets to a protest? Seriously?
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)but still not proven.
dkf
(37,305 posts)We supported the ouster of Ghaddafi with our own money, people and equipment and the new government won't even let us properly investigate the killing of our Ambassador?
That's screwed up right there.
You really shouldn't try to defend them on this one. It only riles up people with an ounce of common sense.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But that is not the point here. The point is Stewart adopting a GOP talking point that has no basis in fact.
dkf
(37,305 posts)So you accuse them of being less than competent or of hiding things. It's a no win situation.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)and that all the facts are not known yet before making accusations.
dkf
(37,305 posts)If they don't know enough yet they wouldn't be doing so.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Sounds like they are making contingency plans.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Doesn't sound like contingency. Sounds like retaliation.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)all attacks that have ever been planned have been launched. That they never plan an attack as a contingency. So I guess that explains our invasion of the Soviet Union.
And since it is over a week since the last statement that was in Stewart's report, it might be possible that they have more facts now than they had last Monday. See that's how is works. Take time to investigate. Get the facts. Then plan the proper response. Not just jump to conclusions and make accusations like Bush did.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Plus it makes sure that there's nobody with 11 items in the 10 items or less line at the store.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)I am as attuned to republican talking points as anyone.
And, again, 95% of the time I would agree with you that they are utter bullshit.
That it is a talking point normally is a pretty good indicator that it is bullshit.
But, just because it is a talking point does not mean it is NOT the truth.
If they get in line and scream about nonsense, they are going to get in line and scream about a legitimate point.
I like BO A LOT, but at best they botched this, and my honest feeling is they let the moment get the best of them and did what pols do - reflexively tried to run from what they thought was bad politics, even though it was inevitable that the truth would come out.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)When it is based on an opinion and not any facts. You can say they mishandled the messaging. But accusing them of playing politics and lying is not proven and unfair.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)two times a day. And it's not a Right wing talking point. It's one talking point by a Left winger that happens to go against the president.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)I didn't see what you are talking about, but I assume you believe it to be misinformation.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)for the sake of politics. That was a BS right wing talking point. That what Stewart said that wasn't true.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)He had clips of him saying one thing, and susan rice saying another and Hillary saying another.
I took this to mean, Hey Obama Team, get on the same page. Hard to argue with that.
I think Obama could effectively turn this around by saying that it shows events like this are evolving and how important it is to stay calm and not speak out until facts are known - as opposed to Romney who mouthed off hour one. The problem with this is that Rice DID talk before all the facts were in. Perhaps, if this is a big deal tomorrow night, he could say, in retrospect, no one should have responded at all until all the facts were in. Because in essence, Rice did the same thing Romney did ...only not as bad
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)It's his accusation that the President is playing politics (which is the main GOP talking point) that I object to.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)by the way the handled it.
Again, no doubt that 95% of the nonsense the media want to be critical of this president is BS.
But, they AT BEST botched this at the time, and there was no reason for it when there was a clear way to handle it.
These are the FACTS. We have to responsible in not speculating about how it came about until we have all the information and analyze it.
It was clear as day that it was a planned and coordinated attack. But, they said it was an extension of the protests.
No reason for it, and frankly, if it was an R my assumption would be that it was for politics.
I think they slipped up, got caught up in the moment and did factor in the politics.
It happens.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Seems you're just parroting GOP talking points too.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)if someone - anyone - says something you don't like, they are "parroting GOP talking points". Apparently, anything that is remotely critical of the administration is an attack.
Neither mature nor logical thinking.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)If you say something that is an unproven GOP talking point, I'm going to you out on it.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)I'm sure it's tough being the judge, jury, and executioner of those who say things that offend your sensibilities.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)to someone excercising their first amendment rights.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)tell me how I was attempting to suppress your right to speak your mind.
Your right to speak does not mean you get to say what you want without any challenge as to the validity and/or relevance of your statements.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But you seem to have a problem with that.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)I wasn't discussing Stewart. I don't watch the program and I'm really not terribly interested in what a comedian says about politics. Comedians talk about many things. Sometimes they are amusing and sometimes they aren't - but they are rarely relevant.
I was discussing your comments, which are not presented as your opinion but as some sort of fact that you seem to believe should be respected and accepted as a truth. When challenged, you have come very close to suggesting that those who disagree with you are right-wing operatives - or something equally ridiculous.
That, One of the 99, is why I have a problem with your statement. Not because I give a horse's hind end about what Jon Stewart says, but because you seem to feel that because you say it, it must be true.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)and pointing out that someone did not have any facts to make the accusation that he did.
And I find a lot of hypocrisy on your part since you accused me of being judge, jury and executioner, which in exactly what you were doing. Might be projection on your part, attacking someone for a something that you are really guilty of doing. So maybe next time instead of jumping into an discussion that you have no knowledge and admit to not really caring about, you won't immediately pass judgement on what someone else has to say.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)THAT IS SO COOL!!!!!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)Grow up.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)GOP tactic. See how that works.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)is not reason. It's being a dittohead.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You seem to have a serious disconnect.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)It is just to launch personal attacks on me. How mature of you.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)which was that it can be both. Many of the protestors were there because of the video and then a small group of militants used that as cover for an attack.
He wasn't actually saying anything different from Rice or Clinton, he was just emphasising another aspect of the attacks.
I love the Daily Show, but Jon usually does a better job of understanding complex issues than this. The problem is every once in a while he feels the need to seem "fair and balanced" and it results in lame, unfunny bits like this.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)you and spokesmen saying different things. Like or not, here, Rice lost a bunch of credibility over this, unfortunately..IMHO ! Others will disagree, but it is MHO
What I don't get is they supreme importance that has been put on which one the cause was. The unfortunate tragedy happened. Why doesn't seem that important. Who is more important to bring them to justice.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And if Stewart had kept it on that level, there would be no problem. But he crossed the line when he accused them of lying to play politics.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)on earth would you bring up any negative points, ever. So close to the election. shame on you Jon.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)There was reason to criticize but Stewart crossed the line when he accused them of lying for political purposes.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)even if it means spilling a little kool-aid themselves.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Nice to know someone here gets it.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)I thought his bit was heading somewhere for one of his classic punch lines. But instead it just looked like a chronology of the news coverage. I really didn't get his point, other than to say that there was some confusion in the days following the attack. Some people were more comfortable than others referring to it as a terrorist attack.
The problem with the bit is that the facts are still pretty hazy, so each of the positions was pretty reasonable, even though people weren't all using the same words to describe it.
The fact is that nobody (official) has come forward with evidence that this was a strategically planned attack -- the kind of pre-planning that we always associate with the words "terrorist attack". On the other hand, it seemed to be more than just an angry mob. SO where is the truth in the middle there?
Stewart seemed to be implying that it actually was a major al Qaeda-planned operation and that Obama didn't want to refer to it as a terrorist attack for political reasons. But that just doesn't match the information the administration has let out so far. I realize Rachael had some reporting that suggested more of a pre-planned attack, but that was mostly speculation and she never followed up with anything.
Basically it was a slow fake-news day. It happens.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)You're right. No one has presented any conclusive evidence that it was a terrorist attack yet. In the end it is a matter of semantics. My problem with Stewart was that he was parroting the GOP talking points that it was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the President was playing politics with it.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)He could have sent a bunch of Cruise missiles flying randomly into Libya -- you know, just to show them who is boss. And Americans would have cheered him on for that. But it would have been the wrong thing to do. 90+% of Libya is at least somewhat positive towards America. We need to build on that. Egypt isn't as reliable as they once were and it really isn't a good idea to have only one friend in the region: Israel.
I bet those things entered Stewart's mind, but he couldn't think of a comedic way to present that. So he went with the video montage of apparent inconsistencies.
Really not a huge deal. And if you ask the people at Faux "news" I bet they would say Stewart was pumping up the Obama administration with that bit.
Basically it was a weak comedic premise that just flopped. Stewart is entitled to a few flops along the way.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)If he spends all his time lampooning and clobbering just one target, then he stops being a comedian and becomes Jay Leno.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But he nor Stewart really are.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)but that is an admittedly very low bar.
HCE SuiGeneris
(14,994 posts)Huh? More information on the faux pas would be incredibly helpful.
Cha
(295,909 posts)are full of Shit. Trying to make the President and his Admin look bad like they always fucking do.. like calling for Susan Rice's resignation which ain't gonna happen.
I was just reccommending Jon's "Chaos On Bullshit Mountain" to my son today..which is the funniest factual 8-10 minutes I've ever seen! No one is accurate all the time, though. Some more than others.
Gal Friday
(87 posts)Jon hits the Rs over the head 9 times for every 1 timme he hits us!
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs. Just as long as he does it based on the truth instead of endorsing BS GOP talking points.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Ahhhh. The truth finally comes out.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And if Stewart hits the Dems based on truth I'm OK with that. When he does it based on a GOP talking point, that's when I have a problem with him.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs." - One of the 99
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And taking them out of context. Why don't you post the full quote?
TeamPooka
(24,155 posts)because if you think any apply to a comic, you're wrong.
Jon is a hell of a lot closer to "fair & balanced" than Fox Noise could EVER be. He actually reports, as opposed to most modern "news" agencies. And actually makes it watchable.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)because he claims to be a comedian too.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Jon Stewart is a comedian who doesn't political humor. You know what happens when a comedian who does political humor decides to toe the party line on every occasion?
He turns into Dennis Miller.
I'd rather disagree with Jon occasionally that have him change his style.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But parroting GOP talking point is not style but substance.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)If you're demanding that a comedian adhere to a specific ideology, you're going to get lousy comedy. And I'd rather disagree with Jon occasionally that have him become a party hack.
GCP
(8,166 posts)Next we'll be having a Purity Test to make sure everybody parrots the same party line.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)who is more than just a comedian, he's also a commentator, not parrot unprove talking points just so he can claim that he attacks both sides.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Your christening his as "commentator" does not create any oligation on his part to follow your agenda.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And more people than me have said so.
But you're right, he doesn't have any obligation to follow anyone's agenda. Nor do I have an obligation to give him a pass when he says something that is not the truth.
frylock
(34,825 posts)did he ever work the circuit? do you have a list of comedies that rush has starred in? rush ISN'T a comedian, despite what he might tell you.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)but he claims that he's a comedian. And just because someone claims they are a comedian doesn't give them license to play fast and loose with the truth.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and if not, then what's your beef? after all, he's just reporting the news.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)He repeated a GOP talking point without any supporting facts. And I never said Stewart wasn't a comedian, but he's also a commentator. It is possible to be both.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,443 posts)He has said over and over that both sides are NOT the same. He's been one of the most effective voices that the left has. "Carrying water for the GOP", my ass. "yet again" - implying that Stewart does this often - well, that flat makes you out of touch with reality. In fact, that makes you so out of touch with reality that you approach Tea Party level of misinformed, which ironically makes you personify that which you accuse Jon of - an equivalent.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)That was the whole point of his rally in D.C. When he had Norm Ornstein and Thomas Mann on his show, he pushed back hard on their contention that the GOP is to blame for the disfunction in Congress. And if you don't think he wasn't parroting GOP talking points on ACORN, your the one out of touch with reality. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-15-2009/the-audacity-of-hos
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)which is more than I can say for the OP. "and the him?" WTF does that mean. I should accept criticisms from some one who can not fucking proofread, No, I do not think so.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)instead of trying to refute my point. Guess that means you can't refute it.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)and the gibberish you originally had was not bad grammar. It was gibberish.
Now, I have seen it. You are wrong. Completely wrong. I don't waste my time arguing with people who are as wrong as you are so good day!
PS. Please note the correct spelling of the word "grammar."
PPS also notice I edited my post when I did not think the language was clear. Just another tip.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)that you can't refute my point. Thanks.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Yeah. Well...
treestar
(82,383 posts)The funny parts of his show are where the underlings appear in sketches.
He's not on our side. I really hope young people don't truly use him for "news." It's not "news." But young people are unlikely to go Republican due to his unfunny comments.
julian09
(1,435 posts)Much prefer Colbert or Bill Maher.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Now he cracks me up. His saying Rmoney's 47% comment "elegantly" is material.
ghostsofgiants
(33,924 posts)I mean look at the "Rally To Restore Sanity" a few years ago. How asinine was that?
http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_jokes_on_you
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)This is just an extention of that rally.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... whatever he says on HIS show may just well be HIS opinion, which HE is entitled to.
Maybe he DOES think the Administration is playing politics.
Agree with it or not, it's his opinion and too fucking bad if you don't agree.
He has a tv show - you don't. Change the channel.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And he is a policy wonk whether he admits it or not.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)They had John McCain on 13 times before the 2008 election. Many if not most of the guests in the last part of the show are RWers pimping their book or whatever.
ann---
(1,933 posts)I used to like his show. Now it's really boring.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Has a parrot ever had a TV show? Has a Parrot ever been a politician? Has a parrot ever parroted a parrot? Parrots want to know what other parrots said ,so parrot what the other parrots said! By golly.
Z_California
(650 posts)Millions and millions of fascists and liars to go after and you want to flame the guy who absolutely destroys the hypocrisy of the right wing in a way that anyone can understand on a nightly basis? Give me a break. Complete BS post, good day.
timber84
(2,876 posts)Took the words out of my mouth.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Please point out where and when I ever said that.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Your continual lashing out at people who view things differently accomplishes absolutely nothing except perhaps, making you look foolish.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And giving a pass to every personal attack on me, which were most of the responses including yours. Bit of hypocrisy there.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Just pointing out, like many others have, that your post and your posts within this thread are accomplishing nothing but making you look very, very silly.
If you start saying over the top ridiculous things, perhaps you ought to expect people to tell you how absurd you sound. Instead of whining that people are being mean to you, perhaps you should just take a look at yourself and realize that it probably isn't everyone else that has the issue.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Personal attacks on me are OK. But me defending myself is bad. If standing up for the truth is silly. Then I'm proud to be silly!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)be way off base in his false equivalency. Afterall, he has a business to run and Republicans watch him, too!
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Thanks!
MinM
(2,650 posts)I'm a little surprised that tDS weighed in on this given that many details are still so murky. That said my guess is they saw a convenient opening here in the absence of anything concrete on either side to jump in on the side of the right wing talking points. Thus deflecting some of the flack they take from those right-wingers.
NPR's - On the Media - replayed a story a few years ago about how it took nearly 40 years to set the record straight on the Cuban Missile Crisis (the 4th draft of history as they called it)...
On The Media: Missile Crisis Memories (August 27, 2010)
So given Jon is working from the first draft of history every night. I'll cut him some slack on this one.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)MinM
(2,650 posts)Exactly my point. They gave the best available information as they had it...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021587786
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Stewart is a comedic genius ---> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-18-2010/conservative-libertarian
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)More often than not the last few years.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)But I would never ever think he's carrying water for the GOP.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And when it was shown that the tapes were heavily edited, he never issued a retraction or apology.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)His parodies and comedic take on current events, therefore, aren't subject to the same critical analysis as news outlets. He's a fake news guy, not a news guy.
Again, I have never questioned his affinity for liberal/progressive causes.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Just because someone says they are a comedian, it doesn't give them a pass to push propaganda. Plus Stewart has long since crossed the line from being just a comedian to being a commentator, especially after he got involved with the 9/11 First Responders bill.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)You can go ahead and be mad at Jon without further interference from me.
Ps: Jon is and always has been a comedian throughout his entire career.
Limbaugh on the other hand is most assuredly not a comedian by any stretch of the imagination.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Stewart is a comedian, but he is also a commentator. The two are not mutually exclusive.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)don't even go there -- what each of them does isn't even in the same zip code
Jon Stewart has won 10 consecutive emmys for a reason.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But just because Stewart is a comedian, it doesn't mean he isn't also a commentator. He rightly used his show to support the 9/11 First Responders bill. That makes him a commentator.
ksoze
(2,068 posts)In his attempt to be "fair", he does stretch some things, but someone uninformed would have a pretty good veiw of what is happening in politics today and it ain't pretty.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)as far as I'm concerned, not funny and this doesn't surprise me whatsoever. If Democrats win, he'll complain; if they don't, he'll complain. That's his schtick, and it's made him rich.
As for me, I can't be bothered.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....in positions of actual authority instead of TV entertainers/comedians?
If Stewart's remarks irritate you, just turn off the TV. Stop wasting DU's time with trivial nonsense.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And Stewart is more than just an entertainer, he's a commentator. When he adopts a GOP talking point, he is just give credibility to the right wingers.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...that's your opinion, and one I bet very few people hold. If you take him seriously as anything other than an entertainer/comedian that's your problem.
And yes, your OP is about as trivial as it gets on DU. There are literally scores of more important topics on DU and you chose a few comments made by Jon Stewart? Wow. Just wow.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)exercising my first amendment rights. And Stewart is a commentator. A lot of people see him that way, especially since he has pushed legislation on his show.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)Don't get me wrong, I don't mind them poking fun at Obama or the Democrats but it wasn't all that funny and the audience reaction showed it. They went an awful long way for very few laughs. It basically looked like they were trying hard to do something critical of Obama and the administration as if it were an obligation.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)for comedic purposes, not to campaign for any specific party or candidate. If he can get the best laughs from spoofing conservatives, then that's fine. If the best laughs come from the liberal side, then that's fine, too.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)In this case he was not.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He calls them as he sees them, and if he sees them as a mistake by President Obama, he's going to call it as that.
I don't have a problem with that. On the whole, he sees President Obama as a success. He lays out his reasons for that openly, and lays out the reasons why the Republican party has made mistakes.
He's not a cheerleader, and again, I have no idea why anyone would have a problem with a person that offers their honest assessment of politics.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But he didn't call it a mistake. He accused the President of being dishonest and playing politics, which is straight out of the GOP playbook.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)And quite frankly I have zero issues with him making fun of our side when our side screws up.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But when he adopts GOP talking points, that's when he crosses the line. And he's done it more than once.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I haven't ever seen him "adopting gop talking points". Sometimes when our side screws up the gop sees it too. It doesn't make the point "theirs" and it doesn't make the truth not the truth.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)You should watch the video: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-15-2009/the-audacity-of-hos
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Sorry not going to freak out every time someone says something that makes our side less then pristine or have a stroke when someone makes fun of our party for fucking up.
Frankly I find your post and your viewpoint on this laughable.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Stewart pushing right wing lies? Anyone who doesn't stand up for the truth is laughable.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)that your take is to excuse Stewart for pushing a GOP talking point and then instead of discussing the issue, you launch personal attacks on me instead. Guess that means that you can't refute my point in any logical or factual way which is why you've resorted to insults.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But, you just keep continuing on with the absurdity
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)You've replied with personal attacks.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Particularly since you posted nothing to refute them. Most likely because you can't.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)This is not some place invented just so everyone can agree with you.
If you post something people find silly, they have every right to tell you they think it is silly.
No one is attacking you, you are not a victim.
This is a discussion board and right now people are discussing something that they disagree with you on and some even find your post to be silly.
Again, that does not make you a victim.
I'm going to drop the conversation with you because it is going no where and your reactions to be post are honestly becoming troubling.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)DU is to discuss issues. Not namecall anyone you disagree with.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Yeesh, seriously......
Going to put you on ignore because having a discussion with you is impossible. Enjoy your cross.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)the issue in any reasonable manner. So it is namecalling whether you admit it or not.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)is being nice.
This thread is an failure of epic proportions.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Stewart is a comedian. If it's funny, he'll skewer anyone.
Sid
garybeck
(9,932 posts)he doesn't criticize both sides equally. he calls it like he sees it. 90% of the time he's pointing out the stupidity of the republicans.
you want him to just be a blind sheep ?
I applaud him for being objective.
However I saw the piece last night on Libya. I don't think it was that hard hitting. It just pointed out that they didn't have a cohesive message for a period of time. But they all said it was under investigation, so I don't see what the problem really was/is.
compare that to his regular condemnation of republicans.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But in cases like this he parrots a GOP talking point to claim that he does. If he had just kept it to pointing out that they didn't have a cohesive message, he would have been spot on. Instead he adopted the right wing claim that the President was playing politics with the issue. That's when he crossed the line.
qb
(5,924 posts)I usually appreciate his well-deserved jabs at our side, but this rambling bit really made no sense to me.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)his attack on ACORN, the D.C. rally and his interview with Mann and Orenstein.
Logical
(22,457 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Just going to call him out when he repeated a right wing talking point.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)And I really can't underscore this point strongly enough.
Jon Stewart, and just about everyone who has replied to this thread, thinks that your opinion is ludicrous. Actually, Jon Stewart has no idea what your opinion might be, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he probably could not care less.
So you go ahead and "call him out" all you want, you brave little internet warrior, you. But please understand that you're howling at the moon.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Here's the thing, and I can't underscore this point strongly enough.
Before you comment on a thread, maybe you should read all the responses like these:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1451851
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1452136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1450374
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1450429
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1451124
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1450448
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1450680
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1451143
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1451239
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1451975
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1452086
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1452999
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1450766
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1450799
So maybe the ludicrous thing is to think you can speak for everyone despite the fact that you didn't bother to read what everyone had to say.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)More than 170 responses and you found about a dozen that support your thesis...
So yeah. There's that.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)About 70 of those responses are from me. And there are multiple responses from several others as well.
So it is still NOT just about everyone. In future I suggest you speak just for yourself and NOT for everyone else.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Seriously, there are some really really badder people out there to criticize, try listening to them and report back to us mmmmk?
Oh and one more point, the people who aren't from our side who watch Jon are immeasurable on any scale, so once again, your point? Or, your perception........
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)that when Stewart parrots GOP talking points, he gives them credibility. Which is far worse than anything that Rush or Hannity could do.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)goodbye.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Even it if the response is a childish attack.
budkin
(6,691 posts)Every single night he bashes the GOP. You're going completely overboard!
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)He gets a free pass to parrot a GOP talking point with no facts? Maybe the problem is that he wants to credibly say that he bashes both sides so instead of finding a legitimate criticism he just a lie from the GOP so he can say he is balanced.
Throd
(7,208 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)BRAVO! ENCORE!
pinstikfartherin
(500 posts)about the phrase "right wing talking point" after this thread.
UTUSN
(70,496 posts)when he dropped the veil completely and showed himself to be a Third Way jerk. Where he pulled out the Mythbusters mimes to stage a hippie-dippy festival.
I had been a fan since he took over the Daily, occasionally mystified by him, like when he killed off CNN's Crossfire, but after his BecKKK thing I figured him out. As MAHER said, "If you're going to have n event, it needs to be ABOUT something."
And now he's playing house with O'LOOFAH.
Congrats to the O.P. for astuteness.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,764 posts)A guy I went to high school with, and who is proudly shilling for Rmoney, posted a link to this video on his Facebook page and claimed that this was, AND I QUOTE, "A new Watergate in the making."
My jaw literally dropped open at the stupidity. The desperation on the right is palpable, what with the whole "October Surprise" that completely blew up in their face today.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. you've gotten 13 recs on 4697 views for this thread.
That tell you anything buddy?
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)don't like their heroes called to account when they parrot a GOP talking point.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...take a hint and move on.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)were once a minority on the subject. Thank god they didn't move on.
Those who believed that slavery was wrong were once a minority on the subject. Thank god they didn't move on.
Those who believed that women should not be allowed to vote were once a minority on the subject. Thank god they didn't move on.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)This has been entertaining. I wish I got a penny everytime you said "parrotting a RW talking point" in this thread.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)Sorry that some here can't handle the truth.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)That isn't what it tells me.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Oh my-- the heady weight, the force of philosophy, the dubious inconsistencies, and the projection we give to a... well, a comedian.
Shame indeed, Jon: His job is to assuage the sensibilities of the delicate left, and allow us self-validation. I certainly hope he stops trying to be a comedian and making us laugh, and simply gets back to work doing.... something other than comedy.
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Why are we not allowed to question anything democrats do? Doesn't sound like true democracy if we are not allowed to question. If we never question their mistakes then they become unaccountable and corruptible. It is the republicans who want blind loyalty and uneducated, silent voters. Democrats should always embrace education, intelligence, debate, and an outspoken electorate. That is what democracy is. When we silence our electorate, we kill democracy.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)But Stewart crossed a line when he parroted the right wing talking point that the President was playing politics and lied. Up until that point he was on solid ground.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)How do you know he did not come this same conclusion on his own? Rather then simply repeating the same thing over and over again, why not show, with facts, how he could not have come to the conclusion he came to.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)He simply repeated what was being said on FAUX and by the right. Big coincidence!
Iggo
(47,487 posts)stklurker
(180 posts)Nope, they got it wrong on this and it smells funny, and Jon called them on their handling of it. Whether you think its RW talking point as well is irrelevant.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)playing politics and lying is a RW talking point. The truth is not irrelevant.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)The practice for the mock debate was fantastic. They couldn't even keep straight faces.
porphyrian
(18,530 posts)Metaphor aside, he may or may not be wrong on issues, but I've never mistaken him for being pro-GOP, nor have I ever gotten the impression that he criticizes both political parties equally. Ask any republican.