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One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:05 AM Oct 2012

Jon Stewart carrying water for the GOP yet again.

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In his ending quest to prove that both sides are exactly the same and criticizes them equally, Stewart was pushing several right wing talking points regarding the attack in Libya last month. For shame Jon!

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Jon Stewart carrying water for the GOP yet again. (Original Post) One of the 99 Oct 2012 OP
Everyone loves him until he hits our side. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #1
Stewart accused the President of playing politics on this One of the 99 Oct 2012 #10
No, he isn't Aerows Oct 2012 #88
It's one thing to offer an opinion. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #95
+1 LWolf Oct 2012 #12
i dont mind when he gets it right. he had the other day, obama didnt have UN meeting cause he was seabeyond Oct 2012 #18
Agreed. nt One of the 99 Oct 2012 #128
Don't "love" him - never loved him. Peregrine Took Oct 2012 #60
Yep. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #79
We used to accuse the freepers... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #120
he calls it like he sees it Skittles Oct 2012 #2
Parroting RW talking points One of the 99 Oct 2012 #14
except he didn't. cali Oct 2012 #15
Yes he did. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #22
"Once he accused the President of playing politics" NCTraveler Oct 2012 #53
Funny because that is just what the GOP has been accusing him of doing. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #64
Proof of how far you will go... NCTraveler Oct 2012 #70
I guess One of the 99 Oct 2012 #97
That was not a personal attack. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #100
So you still can't refute One of the 99 Oct 2012 #108
If the GOP said the sky was blue, would you say it wasn't? FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #134
No but they are saying the sky is purple One of the 99 Oct 2012 #138
THAT is what others here have been disputing FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #149
Of course not. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #156
so, you don't think that Bush Maine-ah Oct 2012 #82
Never said that. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #96
+1 Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #150
omg cali Skittles Oct 2012 #206
you should turn it off and watch Spongebob then snooper2 Oct 2012 #27
all that is necessary for the triumph of evil One of the 99 Oct 2012 #33
Oh I see so discussing Jon Stewart on the internet is SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #72
So I guess you think that all DU is a waste of time. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #106
No, I think DU used to be a great place where SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #229
He's done it several times before. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #234
that's an ironic reply in response to a post about Spongebob CreekDog Oct 2012 #147
Eh ... Cosmocat Oct 2012 #38
Except that the speculation directly parrots GOP talking points. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #42
Speculation is parroting simple logic. dkf Oct 2012 #49
Simple logic, One of the 99 Oct 2012 #65
Maybe we can't prove it because we can't get to Benghazi to investigate the scene. dkf Oct 2012 #77
You're right the situtation is screwed up. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #103
Well either they don't know what the hell is going on or they are not being forthcoming. dkf Oct 2012 #137
Or you assume that it is a complex situtation One of the 99 Oct 2012 #139
CNN reporting they are setting up targets for retaliation. dkf Oct 2012 #141
Have they attacked anyone yet? One of the 99 Oct 2012 #143
Not yet. dkf Oct 2012 #146
So you're contention is that One of the 99 Oct 2012 #161
I always carry my RPGs just in case a protest breaks out. mythology Oct 2012 #148
And that prove what? nt One of the 99 Oct 2012 #173
Yeah Cosmocat Oct 2012 #73
It's a talking point One of the 99 Oct 2012 #102
Even a broken clock will be right Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #133
he's got more dollars than sense. MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #205
What did Jon say that wasn't true? Incitatus Oct 2012 #3
That the President was peddling misinformation One of the 99 Oct 2012 #11
He brought up the point about terrorist attack vs attack due to anti-muslim video Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #36
I have no problem with that. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #37
They opened themselves up to that Cosmocat Oct 2012 #40
Bull One of the 99 Oct 2012 #43
So, in other words, enlightenment Oct 2012 #46
No in these words One of the 99 Oct 2012 #63
Well, do try not to over-do - enlightenment Oct 2012 #119
Seems like you're being the judge, jury and executioner One of the 99 Oct 2012 #123
Please reread the 1st amendment and then enlightenment Oct 2012 #153
And Stewart doesn't get to say what he wants without challenge. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #155
Oddly enough, enlightenment Oct 2012 #175
Sorry that you have a problem with me expressing my opinion One of the 99 Oct 2012 #176
DU is thE givernment now?! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #168
+1 Marrah_G Oct 2012 #199
+1 obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #165
Oh FFS GCP Oct 2012 #50
+1 n/t zappaman Oct 2012 #130
Your inability to listen to reason is a... NCTraveler Oct 2012 #104
Defending Jon Stewart at all costs One of the 99 Oct 2012 #110
Show me one place in this thread where I have defended Stewart. You won't. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #113
So you admit that your purpose is not to defend Stewart. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #126
+1000 n/t zappaman Oct 2012 #131
It runs deep in this thread doesn't it? DainBramaged Oct 2012 #170
..... obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #166
Except it involves misunderstanding the nuance of what Obama was saying wickerwoman Oct 2012 #69
I took it that he was calling them out as kind of a "Wake up...don't blow this thing" by having Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #76
Very true. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #112
see, I was only half watching. Yes, I totally agree with you. Stewart is a liberal. why Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #182
You missed the point. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #183
Yeah. It's a non-issue really but the pubs want to see blood in the water wickerwoman Oct 2012 #181
Exactly! One of the 99 Oct 2012 #111
+1! uponit7771 Oct 2012 #151
It was all true, just not very funny BlueStreak Oct 2012 #41
Very good points. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #44
If he wanted to play politics with it ... BlueStreak Oct 2012 #59
Again very good points! nt One of the 99 Oct 2012 #66
End of the day, he's a comedian; an entertainer Scootaloo Oct 2012 #4
Rush claims to be a comedian and entertainer too. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #28
Jon Stewart's farts are funnier than Jay Leno OriginalGeek Oct 2012 #58
... and the him...? HCE SuiGeneris Oct 2012 #5
I haven't seen it but "the rw talking points on Libya" Cha Oct 2012 #6
Are you Crazy? Gal Friday Oct 2012 #7
No and it's not quantity it's quality. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #13
"I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs." NCTraveler Oct 2012 #107
Yes it is all about truth. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #109
Your problem is that he doesn't hit Dems often enough. NCTraveler Oct 2012 #114
Wow! Talk about twisting my words. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #125
Please explain the journalistic editorial standards that a comedy show needs to meet... TeamPooka Oct 2012 #8
A-MEN. xfundy Oct 2012 #9
So you have no problem with anything Rush has said over the last 20 years One of the 99 Oct 2012 #24
Yes, but Rush isn't funny Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #32
I have no problem with his style One of the 99 Oct 2012 #35
I think you missed my point... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #48
Well said GCP Oct 2012 #51
No I'm saying that Stewart One of the 99 Oct 2012 #62
No, he's a comedian... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #74
He is a commentator One of the 99 Oct 2012 #99
what are rush's credentials as a comedian? frylock Oct 2012 #78
He doesn't have any One of the 99 Oct 2012 #98
is it your belief that jon stewart isn't a comedian? frylock Oct 2012 #135
He's not just reporting the news. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #142
Thank you. Myrina Oct 2012 #29
So many things wrong with this post. GaYellowDawg Oct 2012 #16
No he has repeatedly accused both sides of being the same. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #23
He may sometimes say things I disagree with. but at least he is comprehensible. CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #17
So you've decided to play grammer police One of the 99 Oct 2012 #25
well at the time I could not refute it because I had not seen it. CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #191
So you are admitting One of the 99 Oct 2012 #193
Do you know why there were no stand-up comics in the old Soviet Union? Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #19
I don't even think this guy is funny treestar Oct 2012 #20
Can't stand his angry humor or him, to each his own. julian09 Oct 2012 #55
Me too I much prefer Colbert treestar Oct 2012 #121
There was a really good article on The Baffler about why Stewart and Colbert suck... ghostsofgiants Oct 2012 #21
Good point! One of the 99 Oct 2012 #26
First, Stewart never claims to be a policy wonk. Second ... Myrina Oct 2012 #30
And in this case his opinion is totally inline with GOP talking points. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #31
My biggest beef with TDS is that they put RW guests in front of a LW audience KurtNYC Oct 2012 #34
It is sickening ann--- Oct 2012 #39
Why are parroting, parrots? Arctic Dave Oct 2012 #45
You gotta be kidding me Z_California Oct 2012 #47
Amen timber84 Oct 2012 #52
Woot! GCP Oct 2012 #54
Yeah, this "agree with me in every particular or you're my enemy" thing is ridiculous. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #80
When did I ever say that? One of the 99 Oct 2012 #127
Your entire posting on this thread gives just exactly that point of view Marrah_G Oct 2012 #202
Sounds like you're projecting. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #209
Nope, not projecting anything Marrah_G Oct 2012 #214
Oh then it is hypocrisy then One of the 99 Oct 2012 #215
LOL Marrah_G Oct 2012 #219
Jon is uninformed at times. In his effort to paint both sides as equally reprehensible, he tends to Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #56
Exactly my point! One of the 99 Oct 2012 #68
Good point, Oot99 MinM Oct 2012 #57
What he was wieghing in on was the inability of the admin to get on the same page. Marrah_G Oct 2012 #203
Exploding Cigar for Romney: Amb. Rice was quoting that day's CIA briefing MinM Oct 2012 #236
Oh boy are you barking up the wrong tree. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #61
Maybe but sometimes he get is wrong. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #67
Sometimes I disagree with him. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #71
Then you never saw his attack on ACORN a few years back One of the 99 Oct 2012 #94
He's a comedian and operates under different criteria than the MSM. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #101
Rush claims to be a comedian too One of the 99 Oct 2012 #115
Okay, I surrender. LOL. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #116
Rush is not a comedian. But he claims he is. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #124
pahleeze AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #178
I don't disagree. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #180
Most under 30 get their news from him. We are lucky. ksoze Oct 2012 #75
LOL - people here love him/hate him. He's a younger Ralph Nader closeupready Oct 2012 #81
Shouldn't we be more worried about right-wingers.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #83
If it is so trivial then why did you respond? One of the 99 Oct 2012 #93
Stewart's a "commentator"?? Really?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #132
Sorry you have a proclem with me One of the 99 Oct 2012 #140
I saw the segment. Ganja Ninja Oct 2012 #84
Once again, it is getting crowded under the bus. n/t MadHound Oct 2012 #85
Jon Stewart is a comedian. Regardless where his political affinity lies, he is on tv Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #86
It is fine if he is fair. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #92
Jon Stewart is pretty even-handed Aerows Oct 2012 #87
Not saying he needs to be cheerleader. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #91
I think Jon is great Marrah_G Oct 2012 #89
I don't either One of the 99 Oct 2012 #90
I don't see it that way Marrah_G Oct 2012 #189
He did with ACORN a few years back One of the 99 Oct 2012 #190
LOL Marrah_G Oct 2012 #198
So you're ok with One of the 99 Oct 2012 #208
No I think it's funny as hell that that was your take on the episode Marrah_G Oct 2012 #213
I think it is funny as hell One of the 99 Oct 2012 #216
You have been replied to in a logical way Marrah_G Oct 2012 #218
No One of the 99 Oct 2012 #220
Sorry, calling your comments silly is not a personal attack Marrah_G Oct 2012 #221
Yes it is One of the 99 Oct 2012 #222
No it's not- This is a message board. Marrah_G Oct 2012 #223
Yes is does. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #225
Telling you that you said something silly is not calling you names Marrah_G Oct 2012 #227
It's not discussing One of the 99 Oct 2012 #228
Saying the comments by this poster are "silly"... zappaman Oct 2012 #226
... SidDithers Oct 2012 #105
Wrong. garybeck Oct 2012 #117
You're right he doesn't criticize both sides equally. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #122
To me this was Stewart's lamest moment. qb Oct 2012 #118
I put is right up there with One of the 99 Oct 2012 #129
WTF is wrong with you??? Now we hate Jon? Lol! Logical Oct 2012 #136
Don't hate Stewart. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #144
Here's the thing... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #160
Just about everyone? One of the 99 Oct 2012 #172
Just about everyone... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #174
Fuzzy math One of the 99 Oct 2012 #177
Right back at you.... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #187
You Forgot The Sarcasm Thingy... WillyT Oct 2012 #145
Yeah, and your point? DainBramaged Oct 2012 #152
My point is One of the 99 Oct 2012 #154
And in the immortal words of Monty Python, I fart in your general direction DainBramaged Oct 2012 #159
Nice mature response. nt One of the 99 Oct 2012 #162
It's all this thread is worthy of DainBramaged Oct 2012 #164
Obviously it is worthy enough for you to respond One of the 99 Oct 2012 #167
CROFL what?? budkin Oct 2012 #157
So just because he bashes the GOP One of the 99 Oct 2012 #169
HE BAD MAN! ME HATE HIM NOW!!! Throd Oct 2012 #158
Please you're spinning what I said. nt One of the 99 Oct 2012 #163
I absolutely love performance art! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #171
I'm going to have nightmares pinstikfartherin Oct 2012 #179
R#13 & K for, the O.P. is absolutely correct. Jon lost me when he copied the BecKKK rally UTUSN Oct 2012 #184
You Know What's REALLY Hilarious? ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2012 #185
At this point in time... 99Forever Oct 2012 #186
Tells me that a lot of people One of the 99 Oct 2012 #188
It tells me you're in a very small minority on this subject... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #192
Those who believed the world was round One of the 99 Oct 2012 #194
You're quite the martyr, aren't you. joeglow3 Oct 2012 #230
Just calling it as I see it. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #235
Really? 99Forever Oct 2012 #195
game set match Marrah_G Oct 2012 #204
the heady weight, the force of philosophy, the dubious inconsistencies... LanternWaste Oct 2012 #196
Relax, people. The election is almost over. Focus on voting and counting votes. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #197
I love that Stewart calls out both sides when they mess up liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #200
Don't put words in my mouth. One of the 99 Oct 2012 #211
How do you know he is parroting RR talking points? joeglow3 Oct 2012 #232
Because he had no facts to back it up One of the 99 Oct 2012 #233
No. Iggo Oct 2012 #201
nope stklurker Oct 2012 #207
Accusing the President of One of the 99 Oct 2012 #210
Wow, failed OP, unbelievable! Logical Oct 2012 #212
"Carrying water" describes this OP, not Jon Stewart DirkGently Oct 2012 #217
Last night was freaking hilarious liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #224
I think he gets paid too much to carry his own water, let alone anyone else's. porphyrian Oct 2012 #231
 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
1. Everyone loves him until he hits our side.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:17 AM
Oct 2012

Something seriously fucked up happened there. It's certainly not what the right claims it is but it's not what the White House says it was either. Let's not pretend there isn't egg on the President's face on this. You just don't like that it's being pointed out.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
10. Stewart accused the President of playing politics on this
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:01 AM
Oct 2012

That's a RW talking point. He did the same thing to ACORN a few years back. He just accepted everything coming out of the right without question.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
88. No, he isn't
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:14 PM
Oct 2012

He offers his view. He isn't telling you that he is the unvarnished truth, he's offering his opinion. I don't begrudge him his opinion, even if I occasionally disagree with him, nor would I begrudge you YOURS, if I occasional disagree with you

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. i dont mind when he gets it right. he had the other day, obama didnt have UN meeting cause he was
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:15 AM
Oct 2012

doing the view. quite a little segment laughing at the pres and then later with jordon president. facepalming himself and all over absurdity the pres was doing the view and skipped meetings.

it wasnt true.

the view was taped the day before. he should have easily known this.

i dont have issue when going after the pres, but surely he should have the facts correct and not made up.

Peregrine Took

(7,408 posts)
60. Don't "love" him - never loved him.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:52 PM
Oct 2012

I've always thought he was weird and not funny in the slightest.

What is with the frigging shouting?? Moronic.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
22. Yes he did.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:36 AM
Oct 2012

Once he accused the President of playing politics, he was parroting GOP talking points. This was the same crap he pulled on ACORN a few years ago.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
53. "Once he accused the President of playing politics"
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:12 AM
Oct 2012

The president playing politics. Say it ain't so. That isn't a RW talking point. It is standard operating procedure for any president.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
64. Funny because that is just what the GOP has been accusing him of doing.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:35 PM
Oct 2012

And I don't agree that that is SOP of any president, even Bush.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
134. If the GOP said the sky was blue, would you say it wasn't?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:04 PM
Oct 2012

And that, furthermore, no decent person should ever repeat that "talking point"?

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
96. Never said that.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:40 PM
Oct 2012

I said that everything a President does is not based purely on politics. As for President Bush, he did great work in Africa to help fight AIDS. That wasn't playing politics on his part.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
206. omg cali
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 03:43 PM
Oct 2012

I just came back to this thread and....well, from what I have read I should have just stopped right here!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
27. you should turn it off and watch Spongebob then
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:44 AM
Oct 2012

He's part of the 99%, I think Patrick is a fucking traitor though

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
106. So I guess you think that all DU is a waste of time.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:50 PM
Oct 2012

Interesting comment for someone with over 1,400 posts.

Is is me or is the hypocrisy in here getting a bit thick.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
229. No, I think DU used to be a great place where
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

liberals of all stripes could come and discuss ideas of all stripes. Now I find it a place that has gone so far off the deep end that some.. person actually thinks Jon Stewart is a water carrier for the GOP.

And to answer your question.. IT"S YOU. If you actually believe that Jon Stewart is a water carrier for the GOP then you are part of the problem. Willfully blind.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
234. He's done it several times before.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:39 PM
Oct 2012

That's not being willfully blind. That's calling him out when he does it. Being willfully blind is not standing for criticism for one of your gods.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
38. Eh ...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:10 AM
Oct 2012

I LOVE this president and 95% of what the media wants to be critical of him is BS.

But, they absolutely botched the Libya situation.

It was CLEAR it was a planned and coordinated attack at the time. Rachel Maddow did an EXCELLENT piece the day after really breaking it down, in more detail than anyone since.

All they had to do was just hold tight, and united, to saying, "Here the FACTS, this happened and this happened" while not committing either way as to whether it was a terrorist attack or not. Simply say, we want to make sure we have all the information and are able to be as confident in possible in what happened before we speak as to any kind of motivations for the attack.

But, they came out immediately saying it was just an extension of the protests.

They had to know it was a coordinated attack and the moment ANYONE spoke for the administration in saying otherwise was a problem. I don't know their motivation, but because they did this, it is reasonable to speculate that it was for political reasons to not admin to a "terrorist attack" on the 9-11 anniversary.

They don't have to call it that, but they should have not said ANYTHING about WHAT it was until they know for sure and then said it was a planned attack, because it was.

You could tell Stewart wasn't loving it, but it was a botch by the this admin, and fair game.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
49. Speculation is parroting simple logic.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:00 AM
Oct 2012

How feasible is it to think people bring RPG rockets to a protest? Seriously?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
77. Maybe we can't prove it because we can't get to Benghazi to investigate the scene.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:14 PM
Oct 2012

We supported the ouster of Ghaddafi with our own money, people and equipment and the new government won't even let us properly investigate the killing of our Ambassador?

That's screwed up right there.

You really shouldn't try to defend them on this one. It only riles up people with an ounce of common sense.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
103. You're right the situtation is screwed up.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:48 PM
Oct 2012

But that is not the point here. The point is Stewart adopting a GOP talking point that has no basis in fact.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
137. Well either they don't know what the hell is going on or they are not being forthcoming.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:57 PM
Oct 2012

So you accuse them of being less than competent or of hiding things. It's a no win situation.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
139. Or you assume that it is a complex situtation
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

and that all the facts are not known yet before making accusations.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
141. CNN reporting they are setting up targets for retaliation.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:17 PM
Oct 2012

If they don't know enough yet they wouldn't be doing so.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
161. So you're contention is that
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:16 PM
Oct 2012

all attacks that have ever been planned have been launched. That they never plan an attack as a contingency. So I guess that explains our invasion of the Soviet Union.

And since it is over a week since the last statement that was in Stewart's report, it might be possible that they have more facts now than they had last Monday. See that's how is works. Take time to investigate. Get the facts. Then plan the proper response. Not just jump to conclusions and make accusations like Bush did.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
148. I always carry my RPGs just in case a protest breaks out.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:51 PM
Oct 2012

Plus it makes sure that there's nobody with 11 items in the 10 items or less line at the store.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
73. Yeah
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:04 PM
Oct 2012

I am as attuned to republican talking points as anyone.

And, again, 95% of the time I would agree with you that they are utter bullshit.

That it is a talking point normally is a pretty good indicator that it is bullshit.

But, just because it is a talking point does not mean it is NOT the truth.

If they get in line and scream about nonsense, they are going to get in line and scream about a legitimate point.

I like BO A LOT, but at best they botched this, and my honest feeling is they let the moment get the best of them and did what pols do - reflexively tried to run from what they thought was bad politics, even though it was inevitable that the truth would come out.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
102. It's a talking point
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:47 PM
Oct 2012

When it is based on an opinion and not any facts. You can say they mishandled the messaging. But accusing them of playing politics and lying is not proven and unfair.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
133. Even a broken clock will be right
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:01 PM
Oct 2012

two times a day. And it's not a Right wing talking point. It's one talking point by a Left winger that happens to go against the president.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
3. What did Jon say that wasn't true?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:22 AM
Oct 2012

I didn't see what you are talking about, but I assume you believe it to be misinformation.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
11. That the President was peddling misinformation
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:02 AM
Oct 2012

for the sake of politics. That was a BS right wing talking point. That what Stewart said that wasn't true.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
36. He brought up the point about terrorist attack vs attack due to anti-muslim video
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:56 AM
Oct 2012

He had clips of him saying one thing, and susan rice saying another and Hillary saying another.

I took this to mean, Hey Obama Team, get on the same page. Hard to argue with that.

I think Obama could effectively turn this around by saying that it shows events like this are evolving and how important it is to stay calm and not speak out until facts are known - as opposed to Romney who mouthed off hour one. The problem with this is that Rice DID talk before all the facts were in. Perhaps, if this is a big deal tomorrow night, he could say, in retrospect, no one should have responded at all until all the facts were in. Because in essence, Rice did the same thing Romney did ...only not as bad

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
37. I have no problem with that.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:04 AM
Oct 2012

It's his accusation that the President is playing politics (which is the main GOP talking point) that I object to.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
40. They opened themselves up to that
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:15 AM
Oct 2012

by the way the handled it.

Again, no doubt that 95% of the nonsense the media want to be critical of this president is BS.

But, they AT BEST botched this at the time, and there was no reason for it when there was a clear way to handle it.

These are the FACTS. We have to responsible in not speculating about how it came about until we have all the information and analyze it.

It was clear as day that it was a planned and coordinated attack. But, they said it was an extension of the protests.

No reason for it, and frankly, if it was an R my assumption would be that it was for politics.

I think they slipped up, got caught up in the moment and did factor in the politics.

It happens.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
46. So, in other words,
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

if someone - anyone - says something you don't like, they are "parroting GOP talking points". Apparently, anything that is remotely critical of the administration is an attack.

Neither mature nor logical thinking.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
119. Well, do try not to over-do -
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:23 PM
Oct 2012

I'm sure it's tough being the judge, jury, and executioner of those who say things that offend your sensibilities.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
123. Seems like you're being the judge, jury and executioner
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:29 PM
Oct 2012

to someone excercising their first amendment rights.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
153. Please reread the 1st amendment and then
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:04 PM
Oct 2012

tell me how I was attempting to suppress your right to speak your mind.

Your right to speak does not mean you get to say what you want without any challenge as to the validity and/or relevance of your statements.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
175. Oddly enough,
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:02 PM
Oct 2012

I wasn't discussing Stewart. I don't watch the program and I'm really not terribly interested in what a comedian says about politics. Comedians talk about many things. Sometimes they are amusing and sometimes they aren't - but they are rarely relevant.

I was discussing your comments, which are not presented as your opinion but as some sort of fact that you seem to believe should be respected and accepted as a truth. When challenged, you have come very close to suggesting that those who disagree with you are right-wing operatives - or something equally ridiculous.

That, One of the 99, is why I have a problem with your statement. Not because I give a horse's hind end about what Jon Stewart says, but because you seem to feel that because you say it, it must be true.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
176. Sorry that you have a problem with me expressing my opinion
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:14 PM
Oct 2012

and pointing out that someone did not have any facts to make the accusation that he did.

And I find a lot of hypocrisy on your part since you accused me of being judge, jury and executioner, which in exactly what you were doing. Might be projection on your part, attacking someone for a something that you are really guilty of doing. So maybe next time instead of jumping into an discussion that you have no knowledge and admit to not really caring about, you won't immediately pass judgement on what someone else has to say.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
113. Show me one place in this thread where I have defended Stewart. You won't.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:56 PM
Oct 2012

You seem to have a serious disconnect.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
126. So you admit that your purpose is not to defend Stewart.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:35 PM
Oct 2012

It is just to launch personal attacks on me. How mature of you.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
69. Except it involves misunderstanding the nuance of what Obama was saying
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:42 PM
Oct 2012

which was that it can be both. Many of the protestors were there because of the video and then a small group of militants used that as cover for an attack.

He wasn't actually saying anything different from Rice or Clinton, he was just emphasising another aspect of the attacks.

I love the Daily Show, but Jon usually does a better job of understanding complex issues than this. The problem is every once in a while he feels the need to seem "fair and balanced" and it results in lame, unfunny bits like this.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
76. I took it that he was calling them out as kind of a "Wake up...don't blow this thing" by having
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

you and spokesmen saying different things. Like or not, here, Rice lost a bunch of credibility over this, unfortunately..IMHO ! Others will disagree, but it is MHO

What I don't get is they supreme importance that has been put on which one the cause was. The unfortunate tragedy happened. Why doesn't seem that important. Who is more important to bring them to justice.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
112. Very true.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:56 PM
Oct 2012

And if Stewart had kept it on that level, there would be no problem. But he crossed the line when he accused them of lying to play politics.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
182. see, I was only half watching. Yes, I totally agree with you. Stewart is a liberal. why
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:01 AM
Oct 2012

on earth would you bring up any negative points, ever. So close to the election. shame on you Jon.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
183. You missed the point.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:04 AM
Oct 2012

There was reason to criticize but Stewart crossed the line when he accused them of lying for political purposes.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
181. Yeah. It's a non-issue really but the pubs want to see blood in the water
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:55 PM
Oct 2012

even if it means spilling a little kool-aid themselves.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
41. It was all true, just not very funny
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

I thought his bit was heading somewhere for one of his classic punch lines. But instead it just looked like a chronology of the news coverage. I really didn't get his point, other than to say that there was some confusion in the days following the attack. Some people were more comfortable than others referring to it as a terrorist attack.

The problem with the bit is that the facts are still pretty hazy, so each of the positions was pretty reasonable, even though people weren't all using the same words to describe it.

The fact is that nobody (official) has come forward with evidence that this was a strategically planned attack -- the kind of pre-planning that we always associate with the words "terrorist attack". On the other hand, it seemed to be more than just an angry mob. SO where is the truth in the middle there?

Stewart seemed to be implying that it actually was a major al Qaeda-planned operation and that Obama didn't want to refer to it as a terrorist attack for political reasons. But that just doesn't match the information the administration has let out so far. I realize Rachael had some reporting that suggested more of a pre-planned attack, but that was mostly speculation and she never followed up with anything.

Basically it was a slow fake-news day. It happens.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
44. Very good points.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:35 AM
Oct 2012

You're right. No one has presented any conclusive evidence that it was a terrorist attack yet. In the end it is a matter of semantics. My problem with Stewart was that he was parroting the GOP talking points that it was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the President was playing politics with it.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
59. If he wanted to play politics with it ...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:56 AM
Oct 2012

He could have sent a bunch of Cruise missiles flying randomly into Libya -- you know, just to show them who is boss. And Americans would have cheered him on for that. But it would have been the wrong thing to do. 90+% of Libya is at least somewhat positive towards America. We need to build on that. Egypt isn't as reliable as they once were and it really isn't a good idea to have only one friend in the region: Israel.

I bet those things entered Stewart's mind, but he couldn't think of a comedic way to present that. So he went with the video montage of apparent inconsistencies.

Really not a huge deal. And if you ask the people at Faux "news" I bet they would say Stewart was pumping up the Obama administration with that bit.

Basically it was a weak comedic premise that just flopped. Stewart is entitled to a few flops along the way.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
4. End of the day, he's a comedian; an entertainer
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:24 AM
Oct 2012

If he spends all his time lampooning and clobbering just one target, then he stops being a comedian and becomes Jay Leno.

Cha

(295,909 posts)
6. I haven't seen it but "the rw talking points on Libya"
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:33 AM
Oct 2012

are full of Shit. Trying to make the President and his Admin look bad like they always fucking do.. like calling for Susan Rice's resignation which ain't gonna happen.

I was just reccommending Jon's "Chaos On Bullshit Mountain" to my son today..which is the funniest factual 8-10 minutes I've ever seen! No one is accurate all the time, though. Some more than others.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
13. No and it's not quantity it's quality.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:04 AM
Oct 2012

I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs. Just as long as he does it based on the truth instead of endorsing BS GOP talking points.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
107. "I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs."
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:51 PM
Oct 2012

Ahhhh. The truth finally comes out.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
109. Yes it is all about truth.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:53 PM
Oct 2012

And if Stewart hits the Dems based on truth I'm OK with that. When he does it based on a GOP talking point, that's when I have a problem with him.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
114. Your problem is that he doesn't hit Dems often enough.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:58 PM
Oct 2012

"I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs." - One of the 99

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
125. Wow! Talk about twisting my words.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:33 PM
Oct 2012

And taking them out of context. Why don't you post the full quote?

I wouldn't care if Stewart hits the Dems 10x as many times he hits the Rs. Just as long as he does it based on the truth instead of endorsing BS GOP talking points.

TeamPooka

(24,155 posts)
8. Please explain the journalistic editorial standards that a comedy show needs to meet...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:46 AM
Oct 2012

because if you think any apply to a comic, you're wrong.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
9. A-MEN.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:41 AM
Oct 2012

Jon is a hell of a lot closer to "fair & balanced" than Fox Noise could EVER be. He actually reports, as opposed to most modern "news" agencies. And actually makes it watchable.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
24. So you have no problem with anything Rush has said over the last 20 years
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:41 AM
Oct 2012

because he claims to be a comedian too.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
32. Yes, but Rush isn't funny
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:53 AM
Oct 2012

Jon Stewart is a comedian who doesn't political humor. You know what happens when a comedian who does political humor decides to toe the party line on every occasion?

He turns into Dennis Miller.

I'd rather disagree with Jon occasionally that have him change his style.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
48. I think you missed my point...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:57 AM
Oct 2012

If you're demanding that a comedian adhere to a specific ideology, you're going to get lousy comedy. And I'd rather disagree with Jon occasionally that have him become a party hack.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
62. No I'm saying that Stewart
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:33 PM
Oct 2012

who is more than just a comedian, he's also a commentator, not parrot unprove talking points just so he can claim that he attacks both sides.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
74. No, he's a comedian...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:04 PM
Oct 2012

Your christening his as "commentator" does not create any oligation on his part to follow your agenda.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
99. He is a commentator
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:45 PM
Oct 2012

And more people than me have said so.

But you're right, he doesn't have any obligation to follow anyone's agenda. Nor do I have an obligation to give him a pass when he says something that is not the truth.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
78. what are rush's credentials as a comedian?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:25 PM
Oct 2012

did he ever work the circuit? do you have a list of comedies that rush has starred in? rush ISN'T a comedian, despite what he might tell you.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
98. He doesn't have any
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:43 PM
Oct 2012

but he claims that he's a comedian. And just because someone claims they are a comedian doesn't give them license to play fast and loose with the truth.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
135. is it your belief that jon stewart isn't a comedian?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:06 PM
Oct 2012

and if not, then what's your beef? after all, he's just reporting the news.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
142. He's not just reporting the news.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:17 PM
Oct 2012

He repeated a GOP talking point without any supporting facts. And I never said Stewart wasn't a comedian, but he's also a commentator. It is possible to be both.

GaYellowDawg

(4,443 posts)
16. So many things wrong with this post.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:08 AM
Oct 2012

He has said over and over that both sides are NOT the same. He's been one of the most effective voices that the left has. "Carrying water for the GOP", my ass. "yet again" - implying that Stewart does this often - well, that flat makes you out of touch with reality. In fact, that makes you so out of touch with reality that you approach Tea Party level of misinformed, which ironically makes you personify that which you accuse Jon of - an equivalent.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
23. No he has repeatedly accused both sides of being the same.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:40 AM
Oct 2012

That was the whole point of his rally in D.C. When he had Norm Ornstein and Thomas Mann on his show, he pushed back hard on their contention that the GOP is to blame for the disfunction in Congress. And if you don't think he wasn't parroting GOP talking points on ACORN, your the one out of touch with reality. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-15-2009/the-audacity-of-hos

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
17. He may sometimes say things I disagree with. but at least he is comprehensible.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:10 AM
Oct 2012

which is more than I can say for the OP. "and the him?" WTF does that mean. I should accept criticisms from some one who can not fucking proofread, No, I do not think so.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
25. So you've decided to play grammer police
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:42 AM
Oct 2012

instead of trying to refute my point. Guess that means you can't refute it.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
191. well at the time I could not refute it because I had not seen it.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:03 AM
Oct 2012

and the gibberish you originally had was not bad grammar. It was gibberish.

Now, I have seen it. You are wrong. Completely wrong. I don't waste my time arguing with people who are as wrong as you are so good day!

PS. Please note the correct spelling of the word "grammar."

PPS also notice I edited my post when I did not think the language was clear. Just another tip.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. I don't even think this guy is funny
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:36 AM
Oct 2012

The funny parts of his show are where the underlings appear in sketches.

He's not on our side. I really hope young people don't truly use him for "news." It's not "news." But young people are unlikely to go Republican due to his unfunny comments.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
121. Me too I much prefer Colbert
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:26 PM
Oct 2012

Now he cracks me up. His saying Rmoney's 47% comment "elegantly" is material.

ghostsofgiants

(33,924 posts)
21. There was a really good article on The Baffler about why Stewart and Colbert suck...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:45 AM
Oct 2012

I mean look at the "Rally To Restore Sanity" a few years ago. How asinine was that?

http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_jokes_on_you

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
30. First, Stewart never claims to be a policy wonk. Second ...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:50 AM
Oct 2012

... whatever he says on HIS show may just well be HIS opinion, which HE is entitled to.
Maybe he DOES think the Administration is playing politics.

Agree with it or not, it's his opinion and too fucking bad if you don't agree.
He has a tv show - you don't. Change the channel.


One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
31. And in this case his opinion is totally inline with GOP talking points.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:52 AM
Oct 2012

And he is a policy wonk whether he admits it or not.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
34. My biggest beef with TDS is that they put RW guests in front of a LW audience
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:53 AM
Oct 2012

They had John McCain on 13 times before the 2008 election. Many if not most of the guests in the last part of the show are RWers pimping their book or whatever.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
45. Why are parroting, parrots?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:44 AM
Oct 2012

Has a parrot ever had a TV show? Has a Parrot ever been a politician? Has a parrot ever parroted a parrot? Parrots want to know what other parrots said ,so parrot what the other parrots said! By golly.

Z_California

(650 posts)
47. You gotta be kidding me
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:56 AM
Oct 2012

Millions and millions of fascists and liars to go after and you want to flame the guy who absolutely destroys the hypocrisy of the right wing in a way that anyone can understand on a nightly basis? Give me a break. Complete BS post, good day.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
202. Your entire posting on this thread gives just exactly that point of view
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:34 PM
Oct 2012

Your continual lashing out at people who view things differently accomplishes absolutely nothing except perhaps, making you look foolish.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
209. Sounds like you're projecting.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:45 PM
Oct 2012

And giving a pass to every personal attack on me, which were most of the responses including yours. Bit of hypocrisy there.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
214. Nope, not projecting anything
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:05 PM
Oct 2012

Just pointing out, like many others have, that your post and your posts within this thread are accomplishing nothing but making you look very, very silly.

If you start saying over the top ridiculous things, perhaps you ought to expect people to tell you how absurd you sound. Instead of whining that people are being mean to you, perhaps you should just take a look at yourself and realize that it probably isn't everyone else that has the issue.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
215. Oh then it is hypocrisy then
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:31 PM
Oct 2012

Personal attacks on me are OK. But me defending myself is bad. If standing up for the truth is silly. Then I'm proud to be silly!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
56. Jon is uninformed at times. In his effort to paint both sides as equally reprehensible, he tends to
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:26 AM
Oct 2012

be way off base in his false equivalency. Afterall, he has a business to run and Republicans watch him, too!

MinM

(2,650 posts)
57. Good point, Oot99
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:47 AM
Oct 2012

I'm a little surprised that tDS weighed in on this given that many details are still so murky. That said my guess is they saw a convenient opening here in the absence of anything concrete on either side to jump in on the side of the right wing talking points. Thus deflecting some of the flack they take from those right-wingers.

NPR's - On the Media - replayed a story a few years ago about how it took nearly 40 years to set the record straight on the Cuban Missile Crisis (the 4th draft of history as they called it)...

On The Media: Missile Crisis Memories (August 27, 2010)

So given Jon is working from the first draft of history every night. I'll cut him some slack on this one.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
236. Exploding Cigar for Romney: Amb. Rice was quoting that day's CIA briefing
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:05 PM
Oct 2012

Exactly my point. They gave the best available information as they had it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021587786

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
101. He's a comedian and operates under different criteria than the MSM.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:45 PM
Oct 2012

His parodies and comedic take on current events, therefore, aren't subject to the same critical analysis as news outlets. He's a fake news guy, not a news guy.

Again, I have never questioned his affinity for liberal/progressive causes.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
115. Rush claims to be a comedian too
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:59 PM
Oct 2012

Just because someone says they are a comedian, it doesn't give them a pass to push propaganda. Plus Stewart has long since crossed the line from being just a comedian to being a commentator, especially after he got involved with the 9/11 First Responders bill.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
116. Okay, I surrender. LOL.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:05 PM
Oct 2012

You can go ahead and be mad at Jon without further interference from me.

Ps: Jon is and always has been a comedian throughout his entire career.
Limbaugh on the other hand is most assuredly not a comedian by any stretch of the imagination.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
124. Rush is not a comedian. But he claims he is.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:30 PM
Oct 2012

Stewart is a comedian, but he is also a commentator. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
178. pahleeze
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:37 PM
Oct 2012

don't even go there -- what each of them does isn't even in the same zip code

Jon Stewart has won 10 consecutive emmys for a reason.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
180. I don't disagree.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:54 PM
Oct 2012

But just because Stewart is a comedian, it doesn't mean he isn't also a commentator. He rightly used his show to support the 9/11 First Responders bill. That makes him a commentator.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
75. Most under 30 get their news from him. We are lucky.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:06 PM
Oct 2012

In his attempt to be "fair", he does stretch some things, but someone uninformed would have a pretty good veiw of what is happening in politics today and it ain't pretty.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
81. LOL - people here love him/hate him. He's a younger Ralph Nader
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:31 PM
Oct 2012

as far as I'm concerned, not funny and this doesn't surprise me whatsoever. If Democrats win, he'll complain; if they don't, he'll complain. That's his schtick, and it's made him rich.

As for me, I can't be bothered.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
83. Shouldn't we be more worried about right-wingers....
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:36 PM
Oct 2012

....in positions of actual authority instead of TV entertainers/comedians?

If Stewart's remarks irritate you, just turn off the TV. Stop wasting DU's time with trivial nonsense.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
93. If it is so trivial then why did you respond?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:34 PM
Oct 2012

And Stewart is more than just an entertainer, he's a commentator. When he adopts a GOP talking point, he is just give credibility to the right wingers.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
132. Stewart's a "commentator"?? Really?....
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:51 PM
Oct 2012

...that's your opinion, and one I bet very few people hold. If you take him seriously as anything other than an entertainer/comedian that's your problem.

And yes, your OP is about as trivial as it gets on DU. There are literally scores of more important topics on DU and you chose a few comments made by Jon Stewart? Wow. Just wow.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
140. Sorry you have a proclem with me
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:15 PM
Oct 2012

exercising my first amendment rights. And Stewart is a commentator. A lot of people see him that way, especially since he has pushed legislation on his show.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
84. I saw the segment.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:40 PM
Oct 2012

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind them poking fun at Obama or the Democrats but it wasn't all that funny and the audience reaction showed it. They went an awful long way for very few laughs. It basically looked like they were trying hard to do something critical of Obama and the administration as if it were an obligation.

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
86. Jon Stewart is a comedian. Regardless where his political affinity lies, he is on tv
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:23 PM
Oct 2012

for comedic purposes, not to campaign for any specific party or candidate. If he can get the best laughs from spoofing conservatives, then that's fine. If the best laughs come from the liberal side, then that's fine, too.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
87. Jon Stewart is pretty even-handed
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:13 PM
Oct 2012

He calls them as he sees them, and if he sees them as a mistake by President Obama, he's going to call it as that.

I don't have a problem with that. On the whole, he sees President Obama as a success. He lays out his reasons for that openly, and lays out the reasons why the Republican party has made mistakes.

He's not a cheerleader, and again, I have no idea why anyone would have a problem with a person that offers their honest assessment of politics.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
91. Not saying he needs to be cheerleader.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:31 PM
Oct 2012

But he didn't call it a mistake. He accused the President of being dishonest and playing politics, which is straight out of the GOP playbook.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
89. I think Jon is great
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:20 PM
Oct 2012

And quite frankly I have zero issues with him making fun of our side when our side screws up.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
90. I don't either
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oct 2012

But when he adopts GOP talking points, that's when he crosses the line. And he's done it more than once.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
189. I don't see it that way
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:45 AM
Oct 2012

I haven't ever seen him "adopting gop talking points". Sometimes when our side screws up the gop sees it too. It doesn't make the point "theirs" and it doesn't make the truth not the truth.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
198. LOL
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

Sorry not going to freak out every time someone says something that makes our side less then pristine or have a stroke when someone makes fun of our party for fucking up.

Frankly I find your post and your viewpoint on this laughable.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
208. So you're ok with
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:43 PM
Oct 2012

Stewart pushing right wing lies? Anyone who doesn't stand up for the truth is laughable.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
216. I think it is funny as hell
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:33 PM
Oct 2012

that your take is to excuse Stewart for pushing a GOP talking point and then instead of discussing the issue, you launch personal attacks on me instead. Guess that means that you can't refute my point in any logical or factual way which is why you've resorted to insults.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
223. No it's not- This is a message board.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

This is not some place invented just so everyone can agree with you.

If you post something people find silly, they have every right to tell you they think it is silly.

No one is attacking you, you are not a victim.

This is a discussion board and right now people are discussing something that they disagree with you on and some even find your post to be silly.

Again, that does not make you a victim.

I'm going to drop the conversation with you because it is going no where and your reactions to be post are honestly becoming troubling.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
227. Telling you that you said something silly is not calling you names
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 08:33 AM
Oct 2012

Yeesh, seriously......

Going to put you on ignore because having a discussion with you is impossible. Enjoy your cross.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
228. It's not discussing
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:57 PM
Oct 2012

the issue in any reasonable manner. So it is namecalling whether you admit it or not.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
226. Saying the comments by this poster are "silly"...
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:07 PM
Oct 2012

is being nice.
This thread is an failure of epic proportions.

garybeck

(9,932 posts)
117. Wrong.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:11 PM
Oct 2012

he doesn't criticize both sides equally. he calls it like he sees it. 90% of the time he's pointing out the stupidity of the republicans.

you want him to just be a blind sheep ?

I applaud him for being objective.

However I saw the piece last night on Libya. I don't think it was that hard hitting. It just pointed out that they didn't have a cohesive message for a period of time. But they all said it was under investigation, so I don't see what the problem really was/is.

compare that to his regular condemnation of republicans.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
122. You're right he doesn't criticize both sides equally.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:27 PM
Oct 2012

But in cases like this he parrots a GOP talking point to claim that he does. If he had just kept it to pointing out that they didn't have a cohesive message, he would have been spot on. Instead he adopted the right wing claim that the President was playing politics with the issue. That's when he crossed the line.

qb

(5,924 posts)
118. To me this was Stewart's lamest moment.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:15 PM
Oct 2012

I usually appreciate his well-deserved jabs at our side, but this rambling bit really made no sense to me.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
129. I put is right up there with
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:40 PM
Oct 2012

his attack on ACORN, the D.C. rally and his interview with Mann and Orenstein.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
160. Here's the thing...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:14 PM
Oct 2012

And I really can't underscore this point strongly enough.

Jon Stewart, and just about everyone who has replied to this thread, thinks that your opinion is ludicrous. Actually, Jon Stewart has no idea what your opinion might be, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he probably could not care less.

So you go ahead and "call him out" all you want, you brave little internet warrior, you. But please understand that you're howling at the moon.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
172. Just about everyone?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:54 PM
Oct 2012

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
174. Just about everyone...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:01 PM
Oct 2012

More than 170 responses and you found about a dozen that support your thesis...

So yeah. There's that.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
177. Fuzzy math
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:20 PM
Oct 2012

About 70 of those responses are from me. And there are multiple responses from several others as well.

So it is still NOT just about everyone. In future I suggest you speak just for yourself and NOT for everyone else.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
152. Yeah, and your point?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:01 PM
Oct 2012

Seriously, there are some really really badder people out there to criticize, try listening to them and report back to us mmmmk?




Oh and one more point, the people who aren't from our side who watch Jon are immeasurable on any scale, so once again, your point? Or, your perception........

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
154. My point is
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:06 PM
Oct 2012

that when Stewart parrots GOP talking points, he gives them credibility. Which is far worse than anything that Rush or Hannity could do.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
169. So just because he bashes the GOP
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:29 PM
Oct 2012

He gets a free pass to parrot a GOP talking point with no facts? Maybe the problem is that he wants to credibly say that he bashes both sides so instead of finding a legitimate criticism he just a lie from the GOP so he can say he is balanced.

UTUSN

(70,496 posts)
184. R#13 & K for, the O.P. is absolutely correct. Jon lost me when he copied the BecKKK rally
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:19 AM
Oct 2012

when he dropped the veil completely and showed himself to be a Third Way jerk. Where he pulled out the Mythbusters mimes to stage a hippie-dippy festival.

I had been a fan since he took over the Daily, occasionally mystified by him, like when he killed off CNN's Crossfire, but after his BecKKK thing I figured him out. As MAHER said, "If you're going to have n event, it needs to be ABOUT something."

And now he's playing house with O'LOOFAH.


Congrats to the O.P. for astuteness.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,764 posts)
185. You Know What's REALLY Hilarious?
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:28 AM
Oct 2012

A guy I went to high school with, and who is proudly shilling for Rmoney, posted a link to this video on his Facebook page and claimed that this was, AND I QUOTE, "A new Watergate in the making."

My jaw literally dropped open at the stupidity. The desperation on the right is palpable, what with the whole "October Surprise" that completely blew up in their face today.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
186. At this point in time...
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:40 AM
Oct 2012

.. you've gotten 13 recs on 4697 views for this thread.


That tell you anything buddy?


One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
188. Tells me that a lot of people
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:40 AM
Oct 2012

don't like their heroes called to account when they parrot a GOP talking point.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
194. Those who believed the world was round
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:39 AM
Oct 2012

were once a minority on the subject. Thank god they didn't move on.
Those who believed that slavery was wrong were once a minority on the subject. Thank god they didn't move on.
Those who believed that women should not be allowed to vote were once a minority on the subject. Thank god they didn't move on.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
230. You're quite the martyr, aren't you.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:17 PM
Oct 2012

This has been entertaining. I wish I got a penny everytime you said "parrotting a RW talking point" in this thread.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
196. the heady weight, the force of philosophy, the dubious inconsistencies...
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:52 AM
Oct 2012

Oh my-- the heady weight, the force of philosophy, the dubious inconsistencies, and the projection we give to a... well, a comedian.

Shame indeed, Jon: His job is to assuage the sensibilities of the delicate left, and allow us self-validation. I certainly hope he stops trying to be a comedian and making us laugh, and simply gets back to work doing.... something other than comedy.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
200. I love that Stewart calls out both sides when they mess up
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:33 PM
Oct 2012

Why are we not allowed to question anything democrats do? Doesn't sound like true democracy if we are not allowed to question. If we never question their mistakes then they become unaccountable and corruptible. It is the republicans who want blind loyalty and uneducated, silent voters. Democrats should always embrace education, intelligence, debate, and an outspoken electorate. That is what democracy is. When we silence our electorate, we kill democracy.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
211. Don't put words in my mouth.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:48 PM
Oct 2012

But Stewart crossed a line when he parroted the right wing talking point that the President was playing politics and lied. Up until that point he was on solid ground.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
232. How do you know he is parroting RR talking points?
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:22 PM
Oct 2012

How do you know he did not come this same conclusion on his own? Rather then simply repeating the same thing over and over again, why not show, with facts, how he could not have come to the conclusion he came to.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
233. Because he had no facts to back it up
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 03:37 PM
Oct 2012

He simply repeated what was being said on FAUX and by the right. Big coincidence!

stklurker

(180 posts)
207. nope
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 04:35 PM
Oct 2012

Nope, they got it wrong on this and it smells funny, and Jon called them on their handling of it. Whether you think its RW talking point as well is irrelevant.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
210. Accusing the President of
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:46 PM
Oct 2012

playing politics and lying is a RW talking point. The truth is not irrelevant.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
224. Last night was freaking hilarious
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Oct 2012

The practice for the mock debate was fantastic. They couldn't even keep straight faces.

 

porphyrian

(18,530 posts)
231. I think he gets paid too much to carry his own water, let alone anyone else's.
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

Metaphor aside, he may or may not be wrong on issues, but I've never mistaken him for being pro-GOP, nor have I ever gotten the impression that he criticizes both political parties equally. Ask any republican.

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