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maxrandb

(15,298 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:49 AM Nov 2020

Morning Joe is trying to describe this election as a "repudiation" of Dems. DON'T LET HIM

Yes, Dems lost House seats, but that is more because of the 2010 Midterms than it is about policy.

2010-the disaster we are still paying for.

2010 was a Census Year.

After we abandoned President Obama, and surrendered 2/3rd of the Statehouses to tri-corner hat dipshits, the Retrumplicans used surgical precision to gerrymander the everloving fuck out of states EVERYWHERE that they could.

Remember, this was a multi-billion dollar Koch funded effort designed to ensure Retrumplican control of statehouses and the House of Representatives for generations.

They so gerrymandered the fuck out of Ohio, for example, that the Retrumplicans could win 50.1% of the statewide vote and get 86% of the states representation.

Some states have managed to fix some of that through legislation and litigation, but we are still playing on that tilted 2010 field.

If Retrumplicans turn out, the 2010 maps were always designed to ensure Retrumplican wins.

This goes a long way to explain the somewhat difficult day Dems in the House had on Tuesday.

My point being...Don't ever stay home for any election...including county Dogcatcher, AND

NEVER STAY HOME AND SKIP ANY ELECTION WHERE THE YEAR ENDS IN ZERO!

Another way to look at this is to look at the 2018 Midterms. Dems won nationally by over 10 million votes. Under fair maps, that should have resulted in a 60-70 seat gain. Dems barely won 40.

Don't let them set the narrative. They are going to try to use the House results to claim 2020 was a disaster for the Dems.

The real disaster was2010.

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Morning Joe is trying to describe this election as a "repudiation" of Dems. DON'T LET HIM (Original Post) maxrandb Nov 2020 OP
And what's changed in 2020? jimfields33 Nov 2020 #1
and suppression suppression suppression. and some actual election crimes I hope we can uncover. bullimiami Nov 2020 #8
+1, VSM is the ONLY fact based tactic that we all agree with that can skew polls outside of MOE as uponit7771 Nov 2020 #12
It's not a repudiation of the Dems. octoberlib Nov 2020 #2
T H I S x 1,000,000 Cosmocat Nov 2020 #9
We wiil kick ass in the coming years oswaldactedalone Nov 2020 #3
This Freddie Nov 2020 #7
lets not fool ourselves, the attack ads on democrats worked beachbumbob Nov 2020 #4
And mindem Nov 2020 #5
Thank you for the telescreen content update! Yeehah Nov 2020 #6
But wait, there's more. ariadne0614 Nov 2020 #10
MSNBC is no different than a rw acquaintance Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #11
He is wrong. I suggest he look at Arizona Senate and Governor of North Carolina. Overcoming still_one Nov 2020 #13
Turn that BULLSHIT off. THAT is how you "don't let him" do it. This Maru Kitteh Nov 2020 #14

jimfields33

(15,703 posts)
1. And what's changed in 2020?
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:53 AM
Nov 2020

Repugs gained in the statehouse and governorship where gerrymandering happens.

bullimiami

(13,076 posts)
8. and suppression suppression suppression. and some actual election crimes I hope we can uncover.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:03 AM
Nov 2020

we had to overwhelm them to win this in a squeaker.
i believe the polls have always been right tracking voter intention.
but the best intention doesnt guarantee you get a vote that counts.

I fault Obama with 2 big failings.
1) Letting Ws criminals go free ie. look forward not back. They always come back to fuck you again. And did.
2) Not making maximum effort to fix the voting processes. It was badly broken and has been broken even more.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
12. +1, VSM is the ONLY fact based tactic that we all agree with that can skew polls outside of MOE as
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:20 AM
Nov 2020

... much as the polls have been skewed.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
2. It's not a repudiation of the Dems.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:53 AM
Nov 2020

Republicans who hadn’t voted for years scurried out from under their rocks and voted a straight party ticket. That’s why we lost seats this time but gained in 2018. And it’s not economics that drives Trump voters but white identity politics.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
9. T H I S x 1,000,000
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:07 AM
Nov 2020

Donald Trump pulls every cock roach in the country out to vote him, and THAT is what swung races in split or r leaning house districts AND in states like Iowa and Maine where we had a shot at incumbent R senators.

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
3. We wiil kick ass in the coming years
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:53 AM
Nov 2020

IF we stop using the terms “socialism” and “defund the police.” That nonsense cost us the Senate and seats in the house. Keep it up Dems, and we’ll lose more seats in ‘22.

We have a chance to bury the GOP. Stop messing it up with foolish talk.

Freddie

(9,257 posts)
7. This
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:00 AM
Nov 2020

Biden won my county but a horrible number split the ticket to put the Repug back in Congress. He had some really ugly ads about “you won’t be safe with (dem) she supports the radical left and defunding the police!” with a backdrop of riots. I think a lot of people who might have been on the fence about Trump were swayed by the law and order crap. We HAVE to improve our message on that.

ariadne0614

(1,704 posts)
10. But wait, there's more.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:14 AM
Nov 2020

In addition to the gerrymandering, Joke is ignoring the impact of the massive voter purges. Greg Palast has been harping on this for years.
“You didn’t hear this in the cable TV chatter: In the two years leading up to this election, Georgia’s GOP secretary of state quietly wiped away the voter registrations of 198,351 voters — based on false information.

Call it “The Great Purge” — overwhelmingly wiping away the voting rights of young voters and voters of color. In other words, voters who might be more likely to vote blue.”
https://www.gregpalast.com/election-day-mayhem-began-two-years-ago/

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
11. MSNBC is no different than a rw acquaintance
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:16 AM
Nov 2020

Come Monday your friend will have never been a Trump supporter. He's just another honest and hard working American who has always stood up for what is right. MSNBC is the neighbor who didn't, honestly, didn't call animal control because your dog got out and sat in his driveway. MSNBC is the clerk who knows the scanned items in your cart are on sale but says nothing as the price rings up. MSNBC is the family stopped in the narrow doorway exchanging greetings while 200 people stand waiting on the concourse. MSNBC is the official reviewing your submitted paperwork and telling you that you're missing a document, and upon return tells you you're still missing one. MSNBC is an awkward preteen who knows more than you do. MSNBC is worthless.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
13. He is wrong. I suggest he look at Arizona Senate and Governor of North Carolina. Overcoming
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:25 AM
Nov 2020

an incumbent is always tough for a challenger

I guess he is ignoring our Senate victory in Colorado also

Having an election during a pandemic is also a formidable challenge, along with the civil unrest due to the two systems of justice

What is Scarborough basing it on? We still have the majority in the House, and the Senate is still a question

With all the overt voting suppression occurring from the USPS, to removing drop boxes and limiting polling places etc. what the Democrats did is amazing under the circumstances

and it bodes well for us in the future







Maru Kitteh

(28,317 posts)
14. Turn that BULLSHIT off. THAT is how you "don't let him" do it. This
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:26 AM
Nov 2020

isn't rocket science. Quit watching that garbage. It only lives because you watch it. Cease, and so will it.



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