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Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:12 PM

Eddie S. Glaude: "Is he, Trump, a manifestation of the ugliness within us?"

Wow.


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Reply Eddie S. Glaude: "Is he, Trump, a manifestation of the ugliness within us?" (Original post)
Alex4Martinez Nov 2020 OP
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #1
AleksS Nov 2020 #2
The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #3
TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #4
cilla4progress Nov 2020 #5
elleng Nov 2020 #6
Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #7
SKKY Nov 2020 #8
tulipsandroses Nov 2020 #9
Demonaut Nov 2020 #10
Hugin Nov 2020 #11
cry baby Nov 2020 #12
Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #13
ananda Nov 2020 #14
MerryBlooms Nov 2020 #15
mshasta Nov 2020 #16
Caliman73 Nov 2020 #17
volstork Nov 2020 #19
IndyOp Nov 2020 #18
Tracyjo Nov 2020 #20
Backseat Driver Nov 2020 #21

Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:13 PM

1. I will watch.

But I can answer without watching: yes, yes he is.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:14 PM

2. And the ugliness on the outside of many Americans.

Not just within them.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:17 PM

3. Wow, very powerful. He's right on.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:17 PM

4. Yeah the whole American Exceptionalism bullshit

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:18 PM

5. The best.

I was honored to recently read his book on James Baldwin.

This is so true - until mainstream / majority of Americans face up to and accept the genocide, systemic racism, and systems that go along with this - for example, how we treat the natural world - we will never heal.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:18 PM

6. Yes, sadly.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:20 PM

7. The line that separates good from evil runs through all of mankind. nt

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:21 PM

8. He is indeed.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:22 PM

9. I love Prof Glaude. His powerful oratory has made me cry on more than one occasion

The myths and lies we tell indeed. I was thinking that when I read the Jack Nicklaus endorsement letter for trump.
Either he is deaf, dumb or blind to think that trump has been good to all people and deserves re-election. It was mind boggling. At least the MAGATS come right out and say where they stand. None of the "prettying up the ugly".

We can't move forward because we can't even agree on those basic facts. How do you combat something that people are saying does not exist?

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:22 PM

10. wow, that is truth

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:24 PM

11. Yeah, but, after frosty bottle of magnesium citrate and 30 minutes and I was as good as new.

What? Sorry. TMI?

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:25 PM

12. I believe that totally. nt

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:26 PM

13. Does he mean the kind of ugliness

 

that urged people not to vote for Clinton in 16?

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:26 PM

14. Within some of us, for sure.

Not all.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:32 PM

15. R&K Thank you.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:32 PM

16. he make me tear as I was listening

Racist America past was never gone, it was there in secret in our society, trump just came and took the cover out

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:56 PM

17. Yes. He is a product, not a cause.

He didn't create White Supremacists, he made it possible for them to come out of hiding and to be emboldened by actual support from the top of the government.

Remember that there was at one point, in the 1920's MILLIONS of openly KKK members. There was a state in the US AFTER the Civil War, where you could not hold office unless you had Klan backing and it wasn't a Southern State, It was Indiana. Remember that some of the worst race riots took place, not in the SOUTH but in NORTHERN cities like Detroit and Los Angeles.

We are a nation that has NEVER come to terms with problems of racism, sexism, and oppression of the poor. We have made steps and progress in the areas, but because we are scared to be honest with ourselves about how deeply those ideas pervade our social fabric, the expectation of meaningful change is dim right now. We cannot move forward until we all acknowledge the problem and make efforts to make change. It has to be legal, systemic, AND individual. I was not around during slavery, I did not oppose civil rights, I never fought against suffrage or right to choose, or against immigration, but I have benefitted in ways, from what those systems have wrought, and I have to fight the effects even though I am not personally responsible for their existence.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:54 PM

19. Something I struggle with is

understanding HOW we begin the process of acknowledgment. These evils are so large and so pervasive that it feels like a sysiphean task to right them. It must be tackled at all levels of society: personal, family, community, corporate, state, and federal. The problem is immense, but equally immense is the need to rectify it.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:19 PM

18. Amazing. Infuriating.

I keep checking up on myself instead of pointing at others. I was confronted a year ago about a situation in which someone thought I had been racially insensitive. I reached out to a colleague (of color) and she reassured me that I was a good person and then confronted me about the situation. I felt defensive, I whined about how I was part of the solution not the problem and then I stepped back, let a little time go by, and then started reading Ta'Nihisi Coates and Ibram Kendi. I've realized how very little I understood about systems of oppression. I understood a lot, but I missed a lot, too.

How the hell do we stop this cycle in which each generation of white people realizes at some point just how bad things are for people of color, do something good (elect Barack!), and then return to our little lives having failed to do enough to finally get free of our whiteness.

And the good we do - like electing President Obama - is primarily self-serving anyway even if we can only see this in the rear-view mirror. Once we had a President who was nothing but net and we failed to get him a Senate and stand energetically behind him so he had the power he needed to fund the small business zones, and fund schools that provided personal and social support over years to children and their entire families so that outcomes for them changed substantially, and on and on.

I am so grateful for Professor Glaude and Professor Jelani Cobb telling it like it is. Just imagine what they could be contributing to the world if they didn't have to keep providing remedial education to clueless white people.

Imagine trying to explain life to the Caren's... repulsive task, probably impossible. They must feel the same way about white people who think they're woke.

Thanks for reposting!

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:59 PM

20. wow

is right. And I think he's right too.

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Response to Alex4Martinez (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:51 PM

21. "The evil that men do live after them; the good is oft interred with their bones."

- the Bard.

DJT - what makes him tick - How to be immortal and avoid taxes - values, morals, and the American constitution be damned.

There's not one "perfect" person alive - It's a fact. I'll be glad when DJT's time and energy used to abuse anyone or anything in his path on Earth. is reclaimed by the universe; I do not deny this. It makes me human. I'll mourn his passing but only for the perks postumously given to him by a portion of the People of my country who found something there to admire as well as the authors and editors of history books. I'd rather be kind, wise, and encourage goodness, stewardship, and spirit right along with the weaknesses and lapses of humans that some will remember that I've exhibited but would still likely to earn a resting spot, perhaps unmarked and not oft remembered except by genealogists.

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