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Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:37 PM

The first sign of trouble I saw yesterday ....

When the leading topic in exit polling was "Strong leader".

Far too many of our country believes that bullying, screaming and violence equates to "strength". A large percentage of those call themselves "Christian", even though that faith makes it clear that this is not strength.

The GOP has spent decades and billions reinforcing these stereotypes, and Trump is but a symptom of the larger disease. We see it everywhere, from our selections of sports and movies, to our selections of leaders ... even when we know it is agasint our own interests.

The question now is, even with Biden as President, how do we change that?

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Reply The first sign of trouble I saw yesterday .... (Original post)
relayerbob Nov 2020 OP
dawg day Nov 2020 #1
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #9
dawg day Nov 2020 #11
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #15
Claustrum Nov 2020 #2
kimbutgar Nov 2020 #3
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #4
relayerbob Nov 2020 #7
42bambi Nov 2020 #5
OhZone Nov 2020 #6
Eid Ma Clack Shaw Nov 2020 #10
PTWB Nov 2020 #8
LAS14 Nov 2020 #12
DSandra Nov 2020 #13
relayerbob Nov 2020 #14

Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:39 PM

1. So true-- They think "Strength" means "Bullying and blustering"

I think we just need to soldier on and, well, ignore them.

The Senate is going to be a problem, but "Sufficient onto the day is the evil therein."
That is, we got enough to worry about right now.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:51 PM

9. Isn't it

"unto" the day? Typo? Anyway, I never understood what that saying meant. You're saying it means not to worry about more than...what? The first problem? The worst problem?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:11 PM

11. Probably you're right -- unto

I always took it to mean that we have enough to deal with with the known problems today, and we can reserve the non-certain one for later.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:50 PM

15. Your interpretation matches what I found.

It becomes even clearer when seen with the words that precede it. According to Wiktionary

Etymology

From theKing James Versionof theChristianbible's original Greek "ἀρκετὸν τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ἡ κακία αὐτῆς" as it appears in Matthew, Chapter VI, 34.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself: sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Parallel rabbinical expression in theBabylonian Talmud,דיה לצרה בשעתה: "sufficient is the trouble of the hour".


Proverb

sufficientuntothedayistheevilthereof

No need to worry about the future; the present provides enough to worry about.


Thanks for inspiring me to finally learn about this phrase I've always liked the sound of, but wasn't sure I had any real idea of what was meant by it.

Now, if I can only live by it!

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:41 PM

2. They like his tantrums on the international level.

We and the rest of world just watch him while doing huge eye rolls and face palms.

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:41 PM

3. And a terrible role model for children how a President should act

Putting down people, making up stupid nicknames, lying and stealing. A sane parent would be spanking, ( Im anti spanking btw] , washing mouth out with soap and grounding their children if they acted anything like MF45 does everyday.

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:44 PM

4. Agree with your observation. 100%.

Unfortunately, I have little hope for change. That crap is profitable and that's really all that matters to the majority of those with power.

The media & entertainment industies wield so much influence, yet they mostly cater to the lowest common denominator.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:48 PM

7. Yep

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:45 PM

5. If and when they want to come on board and actually work to improve relations, then

we'll talk and listen. Otherwise, they can stay in the 1950's.

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:47 PM

6. Some Cristians do not worship Christ -

they worship authority!

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Response to OhZone (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:56 PM

10. For me, one positive of the Trump era is that it's exploded the myth of the default good Christian.

Now, as much as Id like to believe death is not the end, Im not a religious person. However, if there does turn out to be a god, so many of these charlatans are getting the surprise of their lives straight after they die; to paraphrase George Carlin, theyre down there, smiling up at us!

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 05:49 PM

8. We saw trouble starting at 9AM in FL when the Rs were outpacing their turnout of 2016.

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:37 PM

12. This really came home to me only a few weeks ago, when...

... a young, rather clean cut looking guy at a motorcycle get together was interviewed about Trump. He said he liked Trump because he was (can't remember the words, but "macho" sums it up). He looked gleeful when asked about Trump's lies. There's definitely a contingent (larger and larger than I had thought) that like Trump BECAUSE of his style and not in spite of it.

One way to start changing it is to name it. This has begun to happen. A number of books have been written on the subject. I despair, of course, about anything that depends on education, but it's a start.

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Response to relayerbob (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 06:44 PM

13. Some of the most popular characters in movies and shows are like Trump

Characters that are brash, that shoot from the hip, that don't let authority stop them, that do whatever they think is right without regarding other people's objections.

Thus, Americans have been trained to praise such characters through fiction, and thus Trump takes advantage of it.

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Response to DSandra (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 07:11 PM

14. Some?

Most. And then there's football, wrestling and so on. It's not just fiction.

It's a part of our culture, and has been for generations. The GOP is feeding on the evil, and revelling in it.

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