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Maraya1969

(22,462 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:23 PM Nov 2020

52% of white women voted Trump 2016 55% voted Trump 2020. Read this

woman's response as to why.



Wagathuku
@kamusundo
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"Let’s stop with the mental gymnastics. They know exactly why they stand behind Trump. They consistently vote for him to maintain the status quo. They benefit from it. They want white supremacy. They want systemic racism. They want a wall. They want us to be deported."






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52% of white women voted Trump 2016 55% voted Trump 2020. Read this (Original Post) Maraya1969 Nov 2020 OP
They don't care how much they get hurt Codeine Nov 2020 #1
I think she meant more like when Trump said he did something that was going Maraya1969 Nov 2020 #4
Sad thing is THEY don't get hurt. We do. nt Boogiemack Nov 2020 #10
+1 lunasun Nov 2020 #12
Maybe all of the Karen videos were a clue? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #2
Yep. Tree-Hugger Nov 2020 #3
No so. My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #5
Thank you. whathehell Nov 2020 #19
Hispanics helped Trump too Beringia Nov 2020 #6
I see a slightly different story Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #7
Exactly, it is pointless and cruel and... PirateRo Nov 2020 #8
Huh? As mentioned elsewhere, the headline only involves a PREDICTTION whathehell Nov 2020 #21
I don't understand you comment PirateRo Nov 2020 #28
This estimate is contradicted by other surveys. Maybe hold Hortensis Nov 2020 #9
OK, so I fell for your exhortation to "read this", procon Nov 2020 #11
Looks like some white woman are bluestarone Nov 2020 #13
Looks like some Black and Hispanic men are too whathehell Nov 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Nov 2020 #14
I am reminded from a famous quote from the British Prime Minister, James Callaghan in 1979. anamnua Nov 2020 #15
The votes aren't even fully COUNTED yet whathehell Nov 2020 #18
Misleading headline:. "Exit polls PREDICT this to be 55%" whathehell Nov 2020 #16
I think that exit poll is faulty TBH tishaLA Nov 2020 #17
All I can say, Maraya, is that I no longer trust ANY poll. These past 2 presidential BComplex Nov 2020 #20
Since early 70s, women voted conservative a solid 45% or more due to family, religion, upbringing. TheBlackAdder Nov 2020 #22
Ed Wood said it best in Plan Nine: "Stupid humans. Stupid, stupid humans." nt Binkie The Clown Nov 2020 #24
This is not an actual exit poll its a prediction uponit7771 Nov 2020 #25
i'm skeptical onetexan Nov 2020 #26
So now we are listening to polls again? That was a short divorce. Midnight Writer Nov 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Nov 2020 #29
White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #30
No link here, but if true, would still be more often than White men whathehell Nov 2020 #31
I'm assuming you mean "less often." In any case, it's important to talk about because WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #32
Lol..Nice try. whathehell Nov 2020 #33
What do you think I'm "trying" to do? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #34
Whatever you're "trying to do", what you HAVE done whathehell Nov 2020 #35
What fact have I gotten wrong? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #36
Lol. Do you even remember what your post says? whathehell Nov 2020 #37
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
1. They don't care how much they get hurt
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:25 PM
Nov 2020

as long as blacks get hurt more. All they want is for the people they despise to feel pain and fear and despair.

Maraya1969

(22,462 posts)
4. I think she meant more like when Trump said he did something that was going
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:27 PM
Nov 2020

to make it harder for minorities to move into their communities. They probably want that. I thought it was awful for him to say that but I bet a lot of people want to make sure that happens.

We really do need to educate people somehow in this country.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,189 posts)
5. No so.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:28 PM
Nov 2020

The 2020 exit poll is a kludge of the respondents who actually voted on election days, and telephone polls trying to get a sample of earlier voters The two are not comparable.

Ms. Toad

(33,999 posts)
7. I see a slightly different story
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:31 PM
Nov 2020

The majority of whites (regardless of gender) voted for trump. That sucks. But white men voted for Trump at a greater rate than white women (58-55%) - and white women voted for Biden at a greater rate than white men did (43-40%).

I agree with the rest of your analysis - but it pertains equally (if not more) to white men.

PirateRo

(933 posts)
8. Exactly, it is pointless and cruel and...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:32 PM
Nov 2020

...then they want the African-American or other minority vote to help them out.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
21. Huh? As mentioned elsewhere, the headline only involves a PREDICTTION
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:56 PM
Nov 2020

not actual votes, and, as the other poster points out, it was based primarily on
same day voters which we know are mainly Republicans

African--Americans and Hispanics who vote Democratic are helping themselves out, and even some of them vote Republican.

PirateRo

(933 posts)
28. I don't understand you comment
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 04:01 PM
Nov 2020

I am agreeing with the op.

And yes, Minorities voting democratic are helping themselves by voting their self-interest. Nothing wrong with that

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. This estimate is contradicted by other surveys. Maybe hold
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:32 PM
Nov 2020

any too-ready and overactive antagonism toward white women for later when info is firmed up. Then indulge against those who earned it.

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. OK, so I fell for your exhortation to "read this",
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:34 PM
Nov 2020

only to find there was no additional info than was already included in the title bar.

Color me duped, shading into hoodwinked.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
23. Looks like some Black and Hispanic men are too
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 03:03 PM
Nov 2020

since 13 and 38 percent respectively, voted for Trump in 2016.

Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

anamnua

(1,103 posts)
15. I am reminded from a famous quote from the British Prime Minister, James Callaghan in 1979.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:40 PM
Nov 2020

'This is like turkeys voting for an early Christmas.'

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
18. The votes aren't even fully COUNTED yet
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:45 PM
Nov 2020

The OP's headline is misleading..This number is based on exit polls and "predictions" only.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
16. Misleading headline:. "Exit polls PREDICT this to be 55%"
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:41 PM
Nov 2020

Exit polls and "predictions" Oh, gee -- When have those ever been wrong"

How 'bout we wait for the actual VOTES to be counted before we get before we start the Trash and Blame game?

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
17. I think that exit poll is faulty TBH
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020

I'm sure a large portion of white women voted for tRump, and maybe it was even something approaching 55%, but the percentages among black voters just don't ring true to me and make me doubt its reliability. 8% of black women *did not* vote for tRump nor did almost 20% of black men ( low double digits maybe, but not 18%).

Anyhow, in an election like this year's, and with the unreliability of the other polls, I'm going to hold off on this and pray that the reason Biden increased Sec Clinton's vote margin is because of something more than just white men deserting tRump.

BComplex

(8,019 posts)
20. All I can say, Maraya, is that I no longer trust ANY poll. These past 2 presidential
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 02:50 PM
Nov 2020

elections have been so totally tampered with by domestic and overseas bad actors, that polling means nothing NOTHING if this country doesn't protect our votes and our elections.

And why not? There is so much MONEY riding on elections. How could anyone think that people would NOT try to interfere, if the money is right? Is our country really that friggin' naive?

That needs to become our FIRST priority. I know so many white women who absolutely hate trump. Registered republican woman, and I know they were excited to vote AGAINST trump.

I say...the polls are messed up for several reasons, but until we secure our elections, polls don't matter, and I'm not even sure if our votes don't matter!!

Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,308 posts)
32. I'm assuming you mean "less often." In any case, it's important to talk about because
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 07:18 PM
Nov 2020

it's often accepted that women are "more liberal" than men, and that their sisterhood with all women makes them a force for progress, when we see over and over again that that is simply not the case.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
33. Lol..Nice try.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 08:00 PM
Nov 2020

but, for starters, you need to compare the number of white female and white male Trump voters in 2016. Across the board, women were far more likely to vote Democratic than men.

After that, check out the Million Women March in DC the day after Trump's inaugural.

If you're still confused, compare the respective gender compositions of Democratic and Republican Congress members. You will see MANY more women among the Democrats.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/





WhiskeyGrinder

(22,308 posts)
34. What do you think I'm "trying" to do?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 08:37 PM
Nov 2020

I mean, I'll spell it out: I'm not comparing white women to white men. I'm comparing white women to white women, which shows that more white women vote for Trump than against him. Whiteness is something that's hard to let go of, and BIWOC see this in activist circles when working with white women.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
35. Whatever you're "trying to do", what you HAVE done
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 08:58 PM
Nov 2020

is misstate FACTS. When and if you recognize that, we can talk.








whathehell

(29,034 posts)
37. Lol. Do you even remember what your post says?
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 09:26 PM
Nov 2020

A reminder:

"In any case, it's important to talk about because it's often accepted that women are "more liberal" than men, and that their sisterhood with all women makes them a force for progress, when we see over and over again that that is simply not the case"

Now: Read mine, link included, and you'll have your answer.




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