Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:19 AM

This election has changed my mind completely.

I live in a red state, but in a solidly blue county. I've decided I can't trust that voting early or by mail is the right thing to do anymore. It seems republicans have developed ways to sabotage those methods. They've fucked with the mail and I think they have lots of time to fuck with ballots cast early. I'm gonna hate doing it, but I'm voting on election day in person moving forward. I think republican voters know something we don't. That's why they all vote on election day.

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This election has changed my mind completely. (Original post)	rownesheck	Nov 2020	OP
They can hack the machines too. There isn't a cheatproof voting method.	apcalc	Nov 2020	#1
I know.	rownesheck	Nov 2020	#4
It's in the vote counting machine programming. That's what nobody is allowed to	BComplex	Nov 2020	#23
Paper ballots, no machines at all.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2020	#5
yes, there actually is, both my other nations use it to great effect, all paper ballots,hand counted	Celerity	Nov 2020	#32
I voted absentee only because of covid, will go back to the old way	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2020	#2
Hey	Bigredhunk	Nov 2020	#8
Depends on how the state tracks them. They can't tell you whether	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2020	#11
TY	Bigredhunk	Nov 2020	#29
Because the people who work	DeminPennswoods	Nov 2020	#14
But the people in charge of programming the central tabulators can change votes	BComplex	Nov 2020	#24
we have ballottrax and it told me when mine was accepted	dsc	Nov 2020	#25
TY	Bigredhunk	Nov 2020	#30
Aren't mail in ballots what are helping close the gap?	crimycarny	Nov 2020	#3
well the argument would be there wouldn't BE a gap	qazplm135	Nov 2020	#9
What difference would that make if voting machines can be hacked?	crimycarny	Nov 2020	#12
if they could be hacked	qazplm135	Nov 2020	#18
Because they can't hack into enough machines to overcome the mail-in ballots?	crimycarny	Nov 2020	#21
I think it's more likely	qazplm135	Nov 2020	#22
Just saw an old news story on how easy it is to flip votes on Diebold	crimycarny	Nov 2020	#34
As long as those ballots are hand counted, it's "traceable". It's the	BComplex	Nov 2020	#27
Yes, that's how Rove stole Ohio	crimycarny	Nov 2020	#39
I don't understand it, either. I really hope that there are investigations	BComplex	Nov 2020	#41
Yeah, That's what I did too.	TigressDem	Nov 2020	#6
I'm on the "vote by mail" list, but I hand-delivered my ballot. It was verified two-days later.	sweetloukillbot	Nov 2020	#7
Me too. And I agree that's best.	apcalc	Nov 2020	#13
Ivanka imported electronic voting machines from China.	secondwind	Nov 2020	#10
JMHO, but all the talk about early voting and mailed	DeminPennswoods	Nov 2020	#15
I get an Absentee ballot but I turn it in at the polling place in person. nt	Raine	Nov 2020	#16
I look to see if TX allows that.	rownesheck	Nov 2020	#17
I'm in California and you can get one without a reason and sign up	Raine	Nov 2020	#19
If you're going to do mail-in voting do it like Arizona & Oregon	JonLP24	Nov 2020	#20
Voting should be paper ballot only.	marie999	Nov 2020	#26
I totally agree. Paper ballots, fine if machines count them the first time, but they all need to be	BComplex	Nov 2020	#31
This +1000	crimycarny	Nov 2020	#36
My ballot was received and then processed on October 26th	Bengus81	Nov 2020	#28
But someone might have	BComplex	Nov 2020	#33
If you buy into a vote hacking conspiracy theory, your election day ballot is just as vulnerable.	brooklynite	Nov 2020	#37
There is, and has been, evidence that this has been happening for 20 years.	BComplex	Nov 2020	#38
"it was shown that russia got into the voting machines in Florida."	brooklynite	Nov 2020	#45
Then what...quickly change it back for a Republican voter, then back for a Dem voter?	Bengus81	Nov 2020	#46
You have no evidence that early voting was tampered with. Stop scaring people.	brooklynite	Nov 2020	#35
True, the OP has no evidence of that, BUT	mtnsnake	Nov 2020	#40
I am so tired of all the conspiracy theories.	LisaL	Nov 2020	#42
I've lived in suburban Connecticut my entire life	NewJeffCT	Nov 2020	#43
The Dems spent months saying how corrupt	Rice4VP	Nov 2020	#44

Response to rownesheck (Original post)

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 08:20 AM

apcalc (4,419 posts)

This election has changed my mind completely.

1. They can hack the machines too. There isn't a cheatproof voting method.

4. I know.

23. It's in the vote counting machine programming. That's what nobody is allowed to

5. Paper ballots, no machines at all.

32. yes, there actually is, both my other nations use it to great effect, all paper ballots,hand counted

2. I voted absentee only because of covid, will go back to the old way

8. Hey

11. Depends on how the state tracks them. They can't tell you whether

29. TY

14. Because the people who work

24. But the people in charge of programming the central tabulators can change votes

25. we have ballottrax and it told me when mine was accepted

30. TY

3. Aren't mail in ballots what are helping close the gap?

9. well the argument would be there wouldn't BE a gap

12. What difference would that make if voting machines can be hacked?

18. if they could be hacked

21. Because they can't hack into enough machines to overcome the mail-in ballots?

22. I think it's more likely

34. Just saw an old news story on how easy it is to flip votes on Diebold

27. As long as those ballots are hand counted, it's "traceable". It's the

39. Yes, that's how Rove stole Ohio

41. I don't understand it, either. I really hope that there are investigations

6. Yeah, That's what I did too.

7. I'm on the "vote by mail" list, but I hand-delivered my ballot. It was verified two-days later.

13. Me too. And I agree that's best.

10. Ivanka imported electronic voting machines from China.

15. JMHO, but all the talk about early voting and mailed

16. I get an Absentee ballot but I turn it in at the polling place in person. nt

17. I look to see if TX allows that.

19. I'm in California and you can get one without a reason and sign up

20. If you're going to do mail-in voting do it like Arizona & Oregon

26. Voting should be paper ballot only.

31. I totally agree. Paper ballots, fine if machines count them the first time, but they all need to be

36. This +1000

28. My ballot was received and then processed on October 26th

33. But someone might have

37. If you buy into a vote hacking conspiracy theory, your election day ballot is just as vulnerable.

38. There is, and has been, evidence that this has been happening for 20 years.

45. "it was shown that russia got into the voting machines in Florida."

46. Then what...quickly change it back for a Republican voter, then back for a Dem voter?

35. You have no evidence that early voting was tampered with. Stop scaring people.

40. True, the OP has no evidence of that, BUT

42. I am so tired of all the conspiracy theories.

43. I've lived in suburban Connecticut my entire life

44. The Dems spent months saying how corrupt