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It shouldn't be this close. (Original Post) TDale313 Nov 2020 OP
I'm not believing this either. I wanna see the proof. flying_wahini Nov 2020 #1
I don't feel the doom I felt in 2016. MissB Nov 2020 #2
TExas is so close right now you can't see daylight yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #17
Putin. ElementaryPenguin Nov 2020 #3
This is called cheating. coti Nov 2020 #4
Plus the power of the propaganda from the RW media cult leaders. Dustlawyer Nov 2020 #21
Most of the vote by mail is not in jimlup Nov 2020 #5
It's not. We haven't even gotten to our blue states. Take a deep breath. Vivienne235729 Nov 2020 #6
There are many of us who join you in being dismayed. Just. Unbelievable. Ninga Nov 2020 #7
I believe like you - can't believe this many voted for that POS - but GOPers are saying the same Hoyt Nov 2020 #8
If we don't understand it for 2 elections in a row, we really need to start listening to the other Claustrum Nov 2020 #9
What is tRump's economic message? He has no plan. StarryNite Nov 2020 #15
You are right. And we saw it in the polls. Claustrum Nov 2020 #20
In a lot of ways this is worse because we have seen StarryNite Nov 2020 #10
I think about that often, and I think it comes down to liberals rosy view of humanity. marylandblue Nov 2020 #11
Surprised by high Covid areas zipplewrath Nov 2020 #12
Really. Did Dump's Approval Rate ever go over 50%? cureautismnow Nov 2020 #13
Because national approval rating is different from state approval rating? Claustrum Nov 2020 #23
It's a mystery mindem Nov 2020 #14
Anything over about 500 votes is unbelievable KentuckyWoman Nov 2020 #16
Stupidity and/or years of brainwashing by Hannity and such? Brainfodder Nov 2020 #18
It really disgusts me that it's this close. LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #19
Russian hackers. Meadowoak Nov 2020 #22
we are a divided nation, almost 50/50. Many people don't seem to admit that. onetexan Nov 2020 #24

MissB

(15,805 posts)
2. I don't feel the doom I felt in 2016.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:42 PM
Nov 2020

Close is what it is.

But look at Texas and how that is changing every 2-4 years. It won’t be long before that is not a reliably red state. (Still somewhat hopeful that will be this year but I haven’t seen updated numbers for Tx).

yellowdogintexas

(22,250 posts)
17. TExas is so close right now you can't see daylight
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:47 PM
Nov 2020

but the counts from the polls are not all in However early voting in the metro areas went heavier for Joe than for Hillary.

THe night is not over yet but Texas is really looking bizarre right this minute

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
5. Most of the vote by mail is not in
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:43 PM
Nov 2020

sit tight... the celebration is still pending....

I'm trying to drink water. I know I need it.

Vivienne235729

(3,383 posts)
6. It's not. We haven't even gotten to our blue states. Take a deep breath.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:44 PM
Nov 2020

We have a lot more real estate to get to that's ours.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. I believe like you - can't believe this many voted for that POS - but GOPers are saying the same
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:44 PM
Nov 2020

about us. Doesn't bode well for getting much done for awhile. But, we still have House and odds of Biden winning appear in our favor.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
9. If we don't understand it for 2 elections in a row, we really need to start listening to the other
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

side. Their message seem to resonate more than ours.

Maybe Trumpers are too hard to listen to. Then we should at least find some independent and see why they lean republicans.

Personally, I think we are a bit weak on economic message. We could hammer controlling COVID leads to opening economy and getting everyone back up and running. But instead, we only focus on the deaths. I am not saying deaths aren't important. But like the first debate, Biden only talked about COVID in the public health aspect and completely ignored the economic aspect. He did much better at the second debate and the other town halls but he (and us as well as a whole party) should place more emphasis on economic issues.

StarryNite

(9,442 posts)
15. What is tRump's economic message? He has no plan.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:47 PM
Nov 2020

But he has cultivated a huge cult of people who literally worship him. This is some seriously creepy shit!

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
20. You are right. And we saw it in the polls.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:51 PM
Nov 2020

Trump went from polling 60/40 to 51/49 on the economic issue. I just think we need to hammer it harder and people will start trusting us on the economic issue. We just focus a lot more (maybe it's the media directing it) social issue and less on economic issues. Trust me, I think we are actually the ones with the economic plans. But general public has this wrong impression that republicans are better. It needs us doing better on our messaging.

Like I said, attack Trump's non-COVID response not only on causing 230k deaths. But also that it's preventing us from reopening our economy and getting back to a "new normal" life. We would feel much better going out if our COVID infection rate is under 1% rather than 20%+. I just don't see any democrats (on the media or in debates) making these arguments. You have to spell it out to people so they can connect the dots.

StarryNite

(9,442 posts)
10. In a lot of ways this is worse because we have seen
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

what that horrible orange monster has done during the past 4 years. How can anybody think our country is doing well under his lack of leadership? He's morally corrupt. He has absolutely no integrity. There is nothing good about him...nothing.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. I think about that often, and I think it comes down to liberals rosy view of humanity.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

We think people are better than they really are. They see what's wrong with Trump, it just doesn't bother them. We tend to get all moralistic about why they do it. But when half the country is okay with it, moralism is pointless. They are going to do it whether you approve or not.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
12. Surprised by high Covid areas
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

It's really hard to fathom how those areas can be so supportive of him. Just goes to show that people don't really pay attention.

cureautismnow

(1,676 posts)
13. Really. Did Dump's Approval Rate ever go over 50%?
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:46 PM
Nov 2020

How does he get 50% of the vote anywhere with higher disapproval rates than approval rates?

mindem

(1,580 posts)
14. It's a mystery
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:46 PM
Nov 2020

These people are voting to get rid of social security, medicare, ACA, and any number of other things. Plus, they are voting for herd immunity and continued extraction of wealth from the middle class and the poor by the overly privileged.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
16. Anything over about 500 votes is unbelievable
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:47 PM
Nov 2020

There is just no excuse for anyone to support Trump beyond his most loyal family and suck ups.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
18. Stupidity and/or years of brainwashing by Hannity and such?
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:48 PM
Nov 2020

The stuff they say about democrats, if believed, we are horrible!

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
19. It really disgusts me that it's this close.
Tue Nov 3, 2020, 11:49 PM
Nov 2020

After all the shit Trump has pulled in the past 4 years, there are still this many people who want to see more of it. I understand now why the White House has been fortified and all of those businesses in large cities have been boarded up. This is going to be another really close election, and there are going to be some very angry people, regardless of the outcome. This isn't going to be over for days, and I'm not liking the vibe I'm getting this time.

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