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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNewsweek: Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites'
Oh, Bernie... there are only four days left before the election. Couldn't this wait? Why start smearing and attacking Democrats NOW? It's obviously false. So, what I'm trying to figure out is this: What good purpose does this serve? These kinds of denigrating attacks and smears only serve to create an atmosphere distrust and suspicion... resentment and negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
So... WHY DO IT? And... WHY DO IT NOW?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-says-democratic-party-has-become-a-party-of-coastal-elites/ar-BB1axOpG
Newsweek logo Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites'
Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, criticized the Democratic Party on Thursday, claiming it has become a "party of coastal elites."
Sanders made the comments while appearing on Late Night With Seth Myers. The host acknowledged that the Democratic Party has gotten away from America's working class over the years, to which Sanders nodded his head in agreement.
If Democratic nominee Joe Biden wins the November 3 election, Myers then asked, what should Biden do to "bring the Democratic Party back to serving the working people in this country?"
"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people who are good people, who believe in social justice in many respects," Sanders responded. "But I think for many, many years the Democratic Party has not paid the kind of attention to working-class needs that they should've."
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,085 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....may squelch any chance of a position in a Biden Administration.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(143,999 posts)We will lose a senate seat and I do not believe that sanders would do a good job in this office
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I trust that he will not choose Bernie for ANY position in his administration. Joe Biden needs a strong team that's loyal to, and dedicated to the Democratic party, our party's platform, and to our party's president.
Cha
(295,901 posts)about trump & the maggots at this 11th hour?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)the Democrats but they also support healthcare for all, living wages, voting rights, good education for all children, sane and fair immigration, and justice. What does it mean when we all get smeared with the tag coastal elites? Is that the rank opposite to Beltway swamp-dwellers? WTF?
You know you are an elite when you don't want to shake hands with "those disgusting people" like Trump says. I haven't heard that from the folks they would label as Democratic "coastal elites."
Who does this?
Sorry, but I remember marching with many Hollywood icons in civil rights protests. And I remember fund raisers by Hollywood and Broadway icons for Haiti and other ravaged peoples. LeBron one of those? Is Oprah, is Tom, is Keith, is Nancy, is Chuck. Just who the hell are they talking about?
onetexan
(12,994 posts)JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Sigh!
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,790 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)Do you think?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... with the Bidens is, well, frosty (that would be a polite way to describe it).
I honestly can't see Joe choosing ANYONE to be a member of his cabinet who wouldn't be a team player and support his agenda (no matter who he or she happened to be).
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)Two of my millennial/gen z daughters have received lots of messages from her on various site...one of their friends voted for Biden because of these missives... But Bernie not much.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Fortunately, after this, Joe will say no.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)But Im sure its everyone else thats the problem and not him.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)Response to NurseJackie (Original post)
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MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)The Independent Senator from Vermont has an ego as big as Mad King Poopy Pants.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I have to wonder if there is a book ready to drop right after the election, like in 2016.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)oasis
(49,151 posts)That's the beauty of it all.
brush
(53,469 posts)We absolutely chose the right candidate to run against trump.
Divide, divide, divide must be in Sanders' DNA. Four days to go and he does this.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)Cha
(295,901 posts)Statistical
(19,264 posts)I can't believe I voted for him in the primary.
SergeStorms
(18,891 posts)He's not Trump caliber, but he's in the top 10 percent.
tormadjax
(164 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)take the show on the road. Cameras and microphones at every stop.
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people". Yeah, a troll headline and misleading, right?
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)sense than that. And I used to be a huge Bernie supporter. Not anymore.
Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #36)
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Malmsy
(296 posts)He could have refrained.
Hillary was criticized for answering a question honestly in an interview, and it wasn't curing an election season, but reported during a primary.
Cha
(295,901 posts)asked a question".
George II
(67,782 posts)i.e., not of working people. But that's entirely false. And if taken the way he worded it, could push middle Americans toward trump or another candidate, not the Democratic candidate.
i.e., there may be a party/candidate that DOES pay attention to working-class needs. Again, this could push voters into another direction other than Democrats and the Democratic candidate.
Remember, there are elections on Tuesday for more than just president. We're in a dog fight for the Senate, why not PUSH voters to vote for the Democratic candidates other than sow doubt in their mind about whether or not the Democrat is paying attention to them?
On the other hand, he's wrong, too! The Democratic Party has been paying attention to working-class needs each and every day.
What is Bernie claiming? The Democratic party does what it can. Stupid voters make it a minority for too many years. Bernie should be dissing the Republican party instead.
Cha
(295,901 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)When in power, the Democratic party raises taxes on the rich, it passed the ACA which is hardly bad for the working class. It champions higher minimum wage. Just because it's not a higher figure than Bernie wants doesn't mean they aren't doing something.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,375 posts)And it has to be remembered that since republicons have been destroying unions, the democratic party had to find a way to replace what was a reliable source of funding and support which came from unions and union members. That is why the democratic party had to associate with Wall Street and others that would be considered to have "a lot of money" or be "elite". I don't like that fact, but it is true.
I hope that HR1 gets brought up again first thing in the next congress, only this time it will get passed by the new democratic senate and signed by the democratic president. Get money out of politics and these issues won't come up.
Malmsy
(296 posts)Just like saying "Bless her heart" doesn't mitigate what was said before.
I'm a supporter of Bernie, but this is not helpful at all, and I'm disappointed in this, and the timing.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)You see, if trump steals again with the help of Russia, there is NO BERNIE
there is NO Democratic Party
there is NO Netflix unless the content PRAISES leader...
Bernie does not seem to get it yet...but then many dont
UN
FUCKING
BELIEVABLE
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Response to NurseJackie (Reply #23)
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Is that what you're suggesting?
mcar
(42,210 posts)Could he not?
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's easier to blame the messenger rather than to place the blame (and righteous criticism) where it truthfully belongs. If it's not me being blamed, then it's Newsweek. (I'm waiting to see Seth Meyers blamed for asking the question and then NBC for allowing it to air.)
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)It is not about the time -- it is the content of what he said which is awful.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But the person who is quoted isn't "pot-stirring?"
Cha
(295,901 posts)person, Pot Stirring, who made such an inaccurate statement, 4 days before the most important Election EVER, about the Democratic Party.
Cha
(295,901 posts)Inaccurate Statement That is Stirring The POT.
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people who are good people, who believe in social justice in many respects," Sanders responded. "But I think for many, many years the Democratic Party has not paid the kind of attention to working-class needs that they should've."
You think this is helpful when Joe is appealing to working class voters four days before the election...the only silver lining is his criticism of Joe takes down the 'Joe is a socialist crap'...unintentional on Sander's part of course. He looks kind of angry and bitter here. No way to look at this other than a hit on Joe.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It makes me sick.
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Bernie is still angry for losing
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....that "wasn't that bad" just four days before the election.
Not "that bad"?
George II
(67,782 posts)I guess he felt the same way as most people here. The video:
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)He knows what he is doing.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,375 posts)supporting Biden and spelling out things the Democratic party should be working for - MFA, min wage increase etc.
It's sad to see so many here jump on one thing without watching the whole video and then use that as an excuse to vent their anti-sanders venom.
"Elites" "Money" and corporate interests have taken over the republicon party. That example alone should serve as sufficient warning. Apparently not, as some would seem not to mind the same thing happening to the Democratic party. I don't agree, I think it would be a disaster.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This was not some "accidental" slip of the tongue, or careless wording, or an inadvertent gaffe. This is not the first time these types of smears and lies have been hurled at Democrats or the Democratic party.
It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are the "party of Coastal Elites". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "feeble". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "corrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's also NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.
It's all so bizarre to me. The timing? Now? This?
Dear god, WHY?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Beside that, it's TOTALLY FALSE that "the same thing is happening to the Democratic party". Complete nonsense.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)I will say that he's done a better job now than he did in 2016 of supporting the nominee but occasionally he still sticks his foot in it. This is one of those times. The"coastal elites" BS is a GOP talking point and saying it 4 days before the election wasn't helpful. I like Bernie and supported him in the primaries 4 years ago but he really shit the bed with this comment.
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bigtree
(85,917 posts)...I am not voting for Bernie Sanders.
I don't know why folks think highlighting things like this right now are any more productive then the politics they're complaining about.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That will SURELY stop the lies and smears and attacks and denigrating of the Democratic party, eh?
Cha
(295,901 posts)anyone wants to cover up what BS is saying About the Democratic Party.
Our job is Not to cover for him.
We want to Win the Senate, Keep the House, and Win the WH.. and he comes up with this INACCURATE STATEMENT 4 Days BEFORE OUR Most Important Election EVER?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)If we say NOTHING, that sends a message of approval. Or our silence could be taken as a tacit admission of guilt.
FUCK NO! I'll not remain silent when our party is smeared and attacked by Bernie Sanders!
People are trying to defend him by putting the blame on loyal Democrats... and faulting US for defending our party!
Honestly, I'll not remain silent and let this type of bulling behavior go without calling it out for what it is.
Cha
(295,901 posts)could be construed as "approval"..
So Hell No.. Do Not Approve of him or anyone saying something so ridiculously Wrong about our Democratic Party Ever.. much less NOW.
He needs to be held Accountable.
Mahalo, Jackie
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)STOP someone from voting, then fine.
But we both know there is for some GOD DAMN REASON many out there who swear by his every word.
UN
FUCKING
BELIEVABLE
that he said this now...WOW
mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)Keep bashing the Democratic party, just days to the election isn't the way to accomplish that.
Then you'll cry foul when you are passed over.
Smart people know when to keep their mouths shut.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)As far as I know that's a rumor. Has there been some corroboration?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Yes. He's been very careful to 'not say no" and not "rule-out" anything. Everyone knows that politi-speak for "yes, but I'm not going to be blunt about it because it might look opportunistic or in poor form and if I'm not chosen then I won't be humiliated for being rejected for something I really wanted." (I think all politicians...most all...hedge like that.)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-elections-sanders-wants-role-in-cabinet-as-price-of-loyalty-to-rival-srzvskld5
George II
(67,782 posts)Bernie Sanders makes a play for Biden Labor secretary
I can confirm he's trying to figure out how to land that role or something like it, said one person close to the Vermont senator. He, personally, does have an interest in it.
Celerity
(42,648 posts)Poiuyt
(18,087 posts)Bayard
(21,805 posts)What the hell are you doing? 4 days before the election?
Sit down, and shut up!
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,548 posts)I don't think he belongs anywhere in a Biden administration.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)lame54
(35,137 posts)Stay off the goddamn talk shows four days before an election?
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)mopinko
(69,806 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,866 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Yep, east coast ingrained. Career politician.
And yes, he's in the 1%.
Ponietz
(2,904 posts)And dont read Newsweek without understanding its background.
Smarten up.
The Manhattan District Attorney's office raided Newsweek's headquarters in Lower Manhattan on January 18, 2018, and seized 18 computer servers as part of an investigation related to the company's finances.[64] IBT, which owned Newsweek, had been under scrutiny for its ties to David Jang,[64] a South Korean pastor and the leader of a Christian sect called "the Community".[65]
In August 2020, just after Kamala Harris was picked as running-mate by Joe Biden for the presidential election, Newsweek published an opinion piece by John C. Eastman, a law professor and former Dean of Chapman University Law School. Eastman argued that Harris would not be eligible to become vice-president because her parents were not American citizens at the time of her birth. This idea was contradictory with American jurisprudence since at least 1898 (the Wong Kim Ark ruling), and the opinion piece was heavily criticized by law experts and readers.
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek|
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)That is what Bernie said and they are accurately reporting it.
sheshe2
(83,335 posts)Ponietz
(2,904 posts)Newsweek seeks to divide. I wouldnt even have known had not the OP posted, and the familiar axes being ground. It might just as well have been a Breitbart piece. Best to ignore.
Ahhh, well okay.
It was a QUOTE from him.
Calling out Dems 4 days before the most important election of our lifetime IS DIVISIVE.230K Americans dead. Families morning them from afar because they can't be there with them. Families separated from their children, parents, grandparents and grandchildren. My great niece turned one in July. I held her twice. She took her first steps a month ago. I saw it on video.
I don't need a man that talks down Democrats at this time. This is not the time or place.
Stats show we may have 500K dead by January. What has he said about that?
Ponietz
(2,904 posts)extinction is a valid operant behavior conditioning technique.
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(psychology)|
Spazito
(49,755 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)one bought with ad revenue money from his 2016 campaign.
Spazito
(49,755 posts)Aren't ad revenue from a campaign designated campaign monies and, therefore, cannot be for personal use?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Sanders has a home in DC & Vermont while a 3rd home was inherited from parents. There are a lot more politicians wealthier than Sanders but for some reason they only obsess over Sanders finances.
Spazito
(49,755 posts)Sanders is a millionaire with three homes, that is a fact. He is, by his own measure, an elitist yet he sees fit to complain about Democrats being elitist. He really needs to look in a mirror, imo.
George II
(67,782 posts)....was about $120K.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)a commission. In his Senate races, Sanders paid that money to his wife. In his 2016 Presidential race, he placed ads through a company called Old Towne media, which has close relations with his wife. https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/15/sanders-campaign-millions-go-to-mystery-firm/
None of this is illegal, but it is self-dealing. Most candidates come out a presidential election broke--like almost all of them. Sanders immediately bought a new home through an entity called Islands Family Trust. He paid cash. That was well before his book was released.
I didn't look into his 2020 campaign so I don't know if it's different or not.
Spazito
(49,755 posts)the less than transparent use of Old Towne media and the close ties with his wife. I didn't realize or, at least, remember the part about commissions earned, thanks for the info on that. If one can buy a property worth, it seems, close to half a million with cash, that commission must have been hefty, very hefty.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)and far less on ground support.
Spazito
(49,755 posts)earned and with the utter lack of transparency of the LLC we are left with many questions for sure as to who received them.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)No one knows whose LLC it is.
https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/15/sanders-campaign-millions-go-to-mystery-firm/
George II
(67,782 posts)Spazito
(49,755 posts)and, therefore, earning commissions be a conflict of interest at the very least? I guess with the utter lack of transparency of The Olde Media LLC we will be left with questions for sure.
Happy Hoosier
(7,077 posts)helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)First begging for a job and now opening your mouth again. We dont have time for this shit. We are trying to defeat a threat to this country.
Cerridwen
(13,251 posts)highplainsdem
(48,727 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...of disarray. That's what republicans like to see.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It only serves to divide and weaken. It turns would-be voters against us. It spoils the atmosphere for people who'd otherwise vote, donate, volunteer, canvass.
I hate that he continues to do this.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)Trump thanks you, Bernie.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)Initech
(99,913 posts)If this doesn't scream "elite" then what does, Bernie?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)highplainsdem
(48,727 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)zackymilly
(2,375 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Bernie is an exception. I intentionally stayed away from this site throughout primaries 2016 because I never would have been able to restrain myself regarding Bernie Sanders
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's awful timing and a terrible message, isn't it? And now some people are blaming Newsweek for reporting it. That makes as much sense as blaming Seth Meyers for asking the question? I guess that means we should also blame NBC for airing the interview? Or, does it make MORE sense to hold accountable someone's poor judgement and poor timing when it comes to denigrating and smearing the Democratic party?
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)If he had posted those statements on DU, those posts would not have survived; yet, here we see him criticizing the party that rejected him. TWICE.
Form your own party please.
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)I do not even know what to say.. but talk about bad timing..
Zeus69
(391 posts)But this doesn't amount to anything.
Why all the handwringing?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He campaigned with Kamala Harris's last night.
LOL at those that say ego. All of these politicians have egos.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Every loyal Democrat should.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He was on the Democratic primary ballot and he campaigns and votes the party line all the time.
I voted for Biden and will defend him against unfair attacks like the Hunter Biden laptop story. I do think big money has too much influence over both parties.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's just another variation of the "both sides" and "Democrats are just as bad as the GOP" lies. It's harmful and THAT is why people are angry and calling him out on it. Nobody is "attacking" him as you're suggesting. He brought it all upon himself by spouting-off like that just four days before the election.
All I'm trying to say is this: Those kinds of lies about the Democratic party are NOT going to bring-in new voters. The lies and smears and attacks only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Cha
(295,901 posts)pull out the "hate" card.
Read what BS said.. that's what DU Members don't like.. 4 fucking Days before the Most Important Damn Election EVER!
Locutusofborg
(524 posts)in January. He's not even a Democrat. He should be denied that powerful and influential position and someone who IS a Democrat should become the Chair.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Part of the reason is because AOC or Bernie has a better chance of passing legislation with Biden as President.
He has been actively campaigning for the Biden-Harris but I don't even know why he bothers since the party will never appreciate it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)So, what you're saying is that someone should ONLY "bother" to support the party only if there's something in it for themselves... and only if they're rewarded with ample appreciation and praise? Is that about right?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Does he care about Dotard staying in office and the disaster that would be? Why does he need "appreciation" from the party he does not belong to by his own choice?
sheshe2
(83,335 posts)I have not seen him actively campaigning for Biden.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Hes the Old Man Yelling at a Cloud writ large.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)...and that you owe the Party exactly zero loyalty, despite all the efforts made by the Party to satisfy your demands? Cant you just shut it for one freaking week?
I guess I am just one of those awful coastal elites, hanging out in loopy California waiting for the next wave or whatever it is you think California Democrats do when were not fighting the biggest goddamned fires in history, and by the way voting for DEMOCRATS.
Budi
(15,325 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It certainly makes sense.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)newdayneeded
(1,939 posts)OHHHH! I didn't know the October surprise was gonna come from Bernie! Well, I guess Comey was too busy this time around. lol
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are the "party of Coastal Elites". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "feeble". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "corrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's also NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.
It's all so bizarre to me. The timing? Now? This?
Dear god, WHY?
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Politicians these days, you gotta love em.
electric_blue68
(14,598 posts)zackymilly
(2,375 posts)sheshe2
(83,335 posts)Just stop Bernie.
You said you would campaign for Joe. You have not.
You chose 4 days before this election to take on, not tRump but the Democratic party.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's just another variation of the "both parties are the same" bullshit. I'm sick of it.
sheshe2
(83,335 posts)I too am sick of the bullshit.
Kahuna
(27,310 posts)ecstatic
(32,566 posts)Wish he'd go away!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(295,901 posts)Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)This is why he should never have a position with Biden. Sanders will undermine him.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Joe has the right instincts and he knows who to trust. He know who will best serve his administration. He knows which contenders are there for the benefit of the American people, and which ones are only looking out for their own interests and careers. Joe can spot the phonies from a mile away, no matter who he or she may be.
betsuni
(25,127 posts)backgrounds. I'd like to know who the hell he's talking about and give proof. Someone should tell him who votes for Democrats. Not the wealthiest, they vote for Republicans.
It's one of the myths he espouses: Democrats are the same as Republicans except for social justice. That it's not that they can't get the votes to pass progressive legislature, as now with Republicans controlling the senate, it's because they don't want to because they're beholden to the "donor class" and Wall St. Only people who don't know how government works believe this.
JI7
(89,173 posts)minorities ?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Kahuna
(27,310 posts)black women are largely the base of the Democratic party. He hasn't figured out how to deal with that fact.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)ecstatic
(32,566 posts)Glad he was rejected. We don't need another impulsive attention seeker in the White House.
coti
(4,612 posts)Everybody just calm down and cut each other some slack, the last thing we need to be doing right now is attacking fellow liberals over anything, justified or not.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)To say nothing is to accept them. I'll always defend our party against crap like this.
coti
(4,612 posts)Instead, stop fighting.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This type of absurd hair splitting indicates a very weak argument and weak defense of the smears and lies.
JI7
(89,173 posts)betsuni
(25,127 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Gothmog
(143,999 posts)By your logic, sanders should have waited until after the election to post this editorial. I disagree with the logic and substance of such editorial.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)even when liberals attack them with lies. Thats why this site is named Democratic Underground not liberal underground.
Cha
(295,901 posts)NewsFLASH.. This is NOT THAT!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I always thought it was weird that he phrased it what way (ie: he would work to "defeat Trump" rather than to "support Biden" . This is a clear pattern.
I guess what I'm trying to point out, and the thing that bothers me the most is WHY NOW?? Even though his "support" of Biden and the Democratic party has been rather perfunctory, there is REALLY nothing good that comes from this LAST MINUTE ("October Surprise"??) style attack on the Democratic Party.
The timing couldn't be worse. It was either a very stupid mistake, or a very mean-spirited and intentional backhanded slap of the Democratic Party.
This is, just "Bernie-being-Bernie" and I always knew that he'd eventually revert back to the anti-Democratic-party rhetoric that thrills his fan base. If he'd said this in a month (or even in a week) I'd have just rolled my eyes and tried to ignore him as best as I possibly could.
But NOW!?? Right fucking NOW??!! He pulls this shit NOW?? With just FOUR DAYS until the election???
radius777
(3,624 posts)and associated movements, not because of 'coastal elites'.
The populist left really doesn't want an honest conversation about this topic.
Working class whites are often very culturally conservative and reject any of the social advances of the past 50 years. Many studies have been done on this topic that confirm this is the main reason for their support of the GOP. We can work to get many of them back but we have to be honest in what we are dealing with.
betsuni
(25,127 posts)Republican policies so they used division, especially race, to get votes. He used to know this.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)this confirms it. Irony is deceased. Done in by a coastal-dwelling holier-than-me white dude with at least three homes wagging his finger at the southern POC and Democrats everywhere who rejected him as being "elites" because they dare stand for equality before catering solely to the insecurities of his own diminished white base.
Well then,
bye.
betsuni
(25,127 posts)tavernier
(12,322 posts)give a rats ass about what Bernie thinks, since he is not on the ticket. This will mostly just stir up the politically obsessed, like us. But it does make me wonder if he was the eight year old who ran around telling all the four year olds on Christmas Eve that there is no Santa.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)for your presidential runs, though, eh asshole? Go fuck yourself.
Cha
(295,901 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)To play nice with those racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic MAGA. People who would happily torture and murder me because of the way I was born.
HELL NO! To that.
Captain_New_York
(161 posts)If you want to change an organization, step 1 join the organization
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)These many many ongoing insults and smears and lies only serve to generate distrust and resentment. It's the same response every time... yet it continues. Why?
But more importantly, I wonder: WHY NOW??
All I want to know is this: who benefits the most when these types of attacks are hurled at our Democratic party (and at Joe Biden, by extension and by association). Who benefits? What purpose does it serve AT THIS CRITICAL MOMENT??
What was the motivation?
DTomlinson
(411 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Let me put it this way: Anything that harms our party, helps the GOP.
There are no two ways about it. You know perfectly well that these kinds of smears and lies about the Democratic party (and by extension, our party's candidate for president, Joe Biden) do indeed cause damage.
Everyone knows it. Bernie knows it. So, why does he continue doing it? Why now? Why RIGHT NOW just four days before the most important election in the past 160 years.
And why do people defend it? That's what's truly disgusting.
DTomlinson
(411 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DTomlinson
(411 posts)DTomlinson
(411 posts)Paladin
(28,202 posts)Those of us who are for-real Democrats are long past caring what you say.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)and his comments are absolutely infuriating. WHY now....AGAIN! They are not remotely accurate, but more important, they are UNNECESSARY.
So...this is why people like me follow these politicians comments...who all are trying to build a brand from nasty and manipulative comments about Democrats.
This is not helping in the final days of ANOTHER election.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's that kind of negative rhetoric, smears and lies that HURT the Democratic party. Anything that hurts and divides Democrats... and anything that denigrates the Democratic party (and by inference, our nominee, Joe Biden) only serves to help the GOP.
What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.
Why now?? What's the motivation? I'm sick of it!
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)that badmouthing Democrats helps Republicans. Were living with Trump in the White House because of it. So what is the reason THIS time?!
Bernie should spend his time explaining how Donalds 3 Supreme Court picks will screw us over for decades to come. Talk about REAL things and consequences for a change!
Hotler
(11,353 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm fine being called "elite." Even though of course it's intended as an insult, "elite" is obviously anyone on the left who values what we have far too much to be drawn to his class warfare-type populism.
Hardly a surprise that he's positioning himself to draw distressed post-election "heartland" Americans -- i.e., Trump's angry conservative populists aka Trumpsters -- to him. He drew as many as he could before, and there should be a bunch wandering in the post-election wilderness for him scoop up. Also, of course, he needs to reel back in his base of socialists-whatever-that-is and resentful LW populists and other malcontent LW types.
(If it encourages some of those to not vote, well, if there's no real difference between us and Republicans does it really matter any more than it did (not) in 2016?)
Btw, of course MOST AMERICANS are "coastal elites." 40% of us live in counties right ON the coast, and another 30% in coastal-aligned regions. And 63% of all Americans in those scattered dots, or what Trump calls those "anarchist""out of control cities." And precious few of us want to burn down our barn instead of fixing it up.
betsuni
(25,127 posts)Needs more dog whistle. Back to the old '70s "coastal elites" insult that young people don't recognize.
DTomlinson
(411 posts)But continue to show your contempt for the uneducated working people out in the flyover states. Theyre all just a bunch of angry conservative populists, after all.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)betsuni
(25,127 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You NEED to be angry at Sanders and Trump, not at those who are angry at them for trying to play on the weaknesses and inflammability of so many vulnerable to populist messaging. And they prey on ALL vulnerable Americans, of course, not just "flyover."
So, here again: "Coastal" is a negative emotional message to both antagonistic middle America and antagonistic white conservatives, telling them who to resent (the majority of all Americans). "Centrist elites" - negative gut message to both right AND left wing, but especially LW resentments. again against mainstream voters.
And don't miss that using "coastal" instead of "urban" and "city" is a more subtle way of including reference to minorities. A quiet dogwhistle, but not missed by those it's intended for.
Remember, both left and RW populist movements draw social conservatives. A lot stronger on the right, of course, which is why Trump won overwhelmingly, but definitely on the left also. There's a lot of overlap. That's why Sanders couldn't promise what AA Democrats required of their candidate in the two primaries -- it would have lost him too many of his social conservative leaners.
"Make America great again" - Trump. "Anyway, the Democrats do it too" - Sanders answering a question at the She the People conference about Repubs packing the courts with predatory racists. (How's that for insulting the intelligence and rejecting the concerns of a very intelligent, mostly Democrat black audience?!)
We should be angry wherever we see that, DTom.
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DTomlinson
(411 posts)Not sure what people are so mad about.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DTomlinson
(411 posts)Spazito
(49,755 posts)ie he has not answered any questions regarding Old Towne media and any connections he and/or his family members might have with it.
He chose not only to answer Seth's question, he deliberately chose the less than inclusive language he used to answer it.
Politicub
(12,163 posts)Were so coastal elite in Atlanta.
still_one
(91,947 posts)Cha
(295,901 posts)because of this.
OnDoutside
(19,906 posts)Cha
(295,901 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)According to Jane, they have a "frosty" relationship with the Bidens... and I can't imagine Joe wanting to add someone to his administration like that.
Rather, the Biden administration will be one that's filled with cooperation, teamwork, hope and optimism. And that's something that I'm very much looking forward to.
Cha
(295,901 posts)her to tell that.. but then I read BS said he and Biden "were friends". So what to believe?
Yeah, I'm thinking from what I've read that Biden wants People to get along with a shared Vision.. and now Sanders comes out with this.. that doesn't hold water.
Biden seems like he would be easy to be friends with if there was mutual respect.
We know BS wanted President Obama primaried in 2012.. but that didn't work out so well for him in the long run. I hope he doesn't try that with Joe Biden if we should be so Fortunate to Get Biden in our WH!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It always makes me chuckle when two politicians can be such bitter and vicious rivals... but when speaking in chambers, they refer to each other as "My Good Friend from Idaho" or "My Esteemed Colleague from Kentucky". (Everyone KNOWS they don't mean it... and it's said almost sarcastically.)
Further evidence of Jane's ineptitude on such things that require a more skilled hand and nuanced approach was her election day tweet in which she commented that WHO you vote for is not as important as the fact that you voted. Argh! Nonsense, Jane! (She's not a strategic thinker and someone who shoots-from-the-hip by just blurting out her version of the truth as she sees it... as she believes it to be.)
All I'm trying to say here is that even though we may have conflicting statements on the matter, I believe that Jane's are more close to the truth since they lack diplomacy, refinement or other political niceties that we've come to expect from seasoned and experienced politicians.
Let's go win this thing!
Aloha a me ka maluhia!
Cha
(295,901 posts)with those who aren't on deck.
💙💙💙
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)Someone help him, please.
betsuni
(25,127 posts)Because nobody else except Bernie and his supporters think the Democratic Party doesn't "serve the working people in this country."