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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:28 PM Oct 2020

Newsweek: Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites'

Oh, Bernie... there are only four days left before the election. Couldn't this wait? Why start smearing and attacking Democrats NOW? It's obviously false. So, what I'm trying to figure out is this: What good purpose does this serve? These kinds of denigrating attacks and smears only serve to create an atmosphere distrust and suspicion... resentment and negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

So... WHY DO IT? And... WHY DO IT NOW?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bernie-sanders-says-democratic-party-has-become-a-party-of-coastal-elites/ar-BB1axOpG

Jocelyn Grzeszczak 4 hrs ago

Newsweek logo Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites'

Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, criticized the Democratic Party on Thursday, claiming it has become a "party of coastal elites."

Sanders made the comments while appearing on Late Night With Seth Myers. The host acknowledged that the Democratic Party has gotten away from America's working class over the years, to which Sanders nodded his head in agreement.

If Democratic nominee Joe Biden wins the November 3 election, Myers then asked, what should Biden do to "bring the Democratic Party back to serving the working people in this country?"

"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people who are good people, who believe in social justice in many respects," Sanders responded. "But I think for many, many years the Democratic Party has not paid the kind of attention to working-class needs that they should've."

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Newsweek: Bernie Sanders Says Democratic Party Has Become a 'Party of Coastal Elites' (Original Post) NurseJackie Oct 2020 OP
Keep it zipped till after the election Bernie Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2020 #1
He can't help himself. This isn't going to earn him any cushy committee assignments AND.... George II Oct 2020 #46
Nobody should be rewarded for denigrating and smearing the Democratic party. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #57
I do not want sanders to be Secretary of Labor Gothmog Oct 2020 #160
Joe Biden knows what he's doing. I trust Joe. I trust his decisions. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #197
Yeah, does he have anything to say Cha Nov 2020 #238
Bernie, shut up and sit down. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #52
Plus it is just not true. There may some pretty wealthy bi-coastal folks who support Boogiemack Oct 2020 #70
Uggghhh..yes Bernie keep it zipped. He's trying to stay relevant as usual. onetexan Oct 2020 #184
Someone is craving attention. (nt) JaneQPublic Oct 2020 #2
Here We Go Again Me. Oct 2020 #3
Yeah.. Cha Nov 2020 #239
Yeesh...... Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2020 #4
Not sure this is a good look for obtaining a Cabinet post... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #5
Recently, Jane made it very clear that Bernie and Joe are NOT friends and that their relationship... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #12
I was never very supportive of Bernie being in the Cabinet anyway... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #16
You're not the only one. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #18
He has a GOP governor, and frankly what has he really done to help us? AOC has come through Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #35
It would be a disaster if Bernie is included AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #89
Yes, especially after that messaging days before the election... ehrnst Oct 2020 #88
Huh. Poor relationships to be a pattern with BS. NYC Liberal Oct 2020 #120
Oh, for fuck's sake. Squinch Oct 2020 #6
Just wait for that new GOP ad...damn it! Boogiemack Oct 2020 #71
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #7
Loooook at meeeeeeeeeeeeee! MyNameGoesHere Oct 2020 #8
Bingo. ehrnst Oct 2020 #102
Isn't that exactly what he is? LexVegas Oct 2020 #9
Independents are free to point fingers while they do their own thing. oasis Oct 2020 #148
Poor Bernie. He can't help himself. He's not getting the attention he thrives on. brush Oct 2020 #10
It is fucking bullshit and he knows it. dalton99a Oct 2020 #11
Precisely. Cha Oct 2020 #101
Go home Bernie you are drunk! Statistical Oct 2020 #104
Bernie has quite the ego himself. SergeStorms Oct 2020 #13
And I was thinking of thanking Bernie in a post for being a team player this time. n/t tormadjax Oct 2020 #14
He and Michael Moore should stillcool Oct 2020 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Oct 2020 #17
Really??? Ferrets are Cool Oct 2020 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Oct 2020 #27
It was a shitty idea to say it days before the election of our lifetime. MY fucking dog has more Ferrets are Cool Oct 2020 #32
Can't he button it up for four fucking days? Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Oct 2020 #39
He's fine with not answering questions when he doesn't like them. Malmsy Oct 2020 #93
Exactly.. so that doesn't fly.. "he was Cha Oct 2020 #118
Who is stirring the pot? Sanders said it, not the OP or Newsweek. excerpts of your excerpt: George II Oct 2020 #64
+1 treestar Oct 2020 #125
And, he's been wrong. Cha Oct 2020 #106
Is it even true? treestar Oct 2020 #124
I appreciate that you, unlike the original thread title, accurately quoted the statement. FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #34
"fair to say that in many ways" doesn't mitigate what was said afterwards. Malmsy Oct 2020 #95
The fact that it could come out of his mouth NOW, is UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #100
I read the article. I also shared the complete quote... "in context". That doesn't help... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Oct 2020 #29
Oh, yes. Let's just pretend it didn't happen... and pretend it doesn't matter. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #41
Timing of Bernie's statement is AWFUL mcar Oct 2020 #59
I agree Gothmog Oct 2020 #176
Timing of the appearance on Seth Myers' show AND the comments is awful. Why now and not next week? George II Oct 2020 #65
*Crickets* NurseJackie Oct 2020 #73
Bernie should have known this was awful at ANY time AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #90
Sharing an article that quotes Senator Sanders is "pot-stirring?" ehrnst Oct 2020 #98
Yeah, that is Perplexing.. no mention of the Cha Oct 2020 #147
It's NOT the OP's "pot stirring" it's BS' Cha Oct 2020 #141
This is what he said...and honestly it is worse than the headline. Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #43
You're correct... the COMPLETE quote (in context) is even worse than the abbreviated headline. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #48
Me too Jackie Demsrule86 Oct 2020 #81
+1 well said AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #91
Damn, that's ... that's not helpful at all. uponit7771 Oct 2020 #190
The quotes are real. Most Democrats aren't interested in their party being described in a manner... George II Oct 2020 #56
The full video is on youtube. Here is Seth Myers' heading, NOT from Newsweek: George II Oct 2020 #69
OMG -- and he is smirking as he delivers those awful lines AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #92
Sanders spent 10 minutes there FoxNewsSucks Oct 2020 #123
What useful purpose is served by smearing Democrats and the Democratic party with lies? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #140
Ridiculous! Totally absurd! Who? WHO are you referring to? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #142
I read the article and it doesn't make it look any better MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #171
Post removed Post removed Oct 2020 #19
that tears it! bigtree Oct 2020 #20
Oh, yes. Let's just pretend it didn't happen... and pretend it doesn't matter. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #25
Well said.. it's amazing to me that Cha Oct 2020 #151
If we say NOTHING, that sends a message of approval. Or our silence could be taken as... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #153
So Grateful you did! & right.. saying nothing Cha Oct 2020 #156
As long as you can guarantee me his comments will NOT CHANGE one vote, will not Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #105
Doesn't Sanders want a position in Joe's cabinet? mercuryblues Oct 2020 #21
Does he? Mariana Oct 2020 #42
Yes. He's been very careful to 'not say no" and not "rule-out" anything. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #47
Yes: George II Oct 2020 #107
Rethug VT governor equals no Bernie in the Cabinet Celerity Oct 2020 #128
This isn't going to help his cause Poiuyt Oct 2020 #172
Oh, come on Bernie! Bayard Oct 2020 #24
Stop it Bernie..stop! Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #26
I wonder if he may be going into cognitive decline. Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #28
WTF? LizBeth Oct 2020 #30
Hey Bernie - didn't your mother tell you that if you can't say anything nice... lame54 Oct 2020 #31
God Bernie just shut up already! redstatebluegirl Oct 2020 #33
said the coastal senator who plays games in the primary every time. mopinko Oct 2020 #37
Coast of Lake Champlain? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2020 #66
East Coast. NYC born and bred, and New Englander by choice. ehrnst Oct 2020 #111
Beware of Newsweek spin--Trash and ignore 👍🏼 Don't take the bait Ponietz Oct 2020 #38
It is not a spin -- they are quoting him EXACTLY AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #94
How do you spin a direct quote? sheshe2 Oct 2020 #121
By headlining something otherwise not newsworthy Ponietz Oct 2020 #174
Ahhh. sheshe2 Oct 2020 #177
I'm not defending, just noticing the triggering, and suggesting that Ponietz Oct 2020 #181
LOL, says the elitist millionaire with three homes n/t Spazito Oct 2020 #40
at least BainsBane Oct 2020 #54
I didn't know that, I didn't think that could be done... Spazito Oct 2020 #61
Don't believe everything you read on DU JonLP24 Oct 2020 #79
It's the hypocrisy I take issue with... Spazito Oct 2020 #84
Actually he has two in Vermont - the inherited home in Maine was sold and the Sanders' share.... George II Oct 2020 #117
There is a percentage for placing ads, BainsBane Oct 2020 #85
Ahhh, yes, I now remember reading about this before.... Spazito Oct 2020 #87
Here is an article on it AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #97
Part of it was he spent so much on ads BainsBane Oct 2020 #113
That definitely would have boosted the commissions... Spazito Oct 2020 #116
It was funneled through an unknown ad agency which is a secret LLC AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #96
People who are involved with buying/selling ads and time are paid commission. George II Oct 2020 #112
Wouldn't having a family member of a candidate involved with the company buying/selling ads... Spazito Oct 2020 #114
Can't help himself, I guess. NT Happy Hoosier Oct 2020 #44
Shut the hell up until after the election helpisontheway Oct 2020 #45
I miss the esablishment. Cerridwen Oct 2020 #49
What an asinine thing to say, especially now. highplainsdem Oct 2020 #50
"..an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion....resentment and negativity..." and an appearance... George II Oct 2020 #51
These smears and attacks need to stop... FOREVER! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #55
Way to use GOP talking points BainsBane Oct 2020 #53
And I am not even allowed to bring up how we GOT HERE IN THE GOD DAMN FUCKING FIRST PLACE Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #108
Oh for sweet Jeebus sake! mcar Oct 2020 #58
What??? Tell that to a guy who literally owns a giant gold tower with his name on it!!! Initech Oct 2020 #60
So tacky! What would you call that style of decor? Baroque Bordello? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #62
It's often called Dictator Chic. highplainsdem Oct 2020 #72
All he needs is a military-style dress-uniform with lots and lots of ornaments. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #74
Modern Elvis? n/t zackymilly Oct 2020 #144
technically putin owns it Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #109
I seldom severely dislike anyone on our side Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #63
It's awful timing and a terrible message, isn't it? And now some people are blaming Newsweek for... NurseJackie Oct 2020 #68
He is not a Democrat - never was, never will be AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #67
Oh sweet mother mccrea.. Peacetrain Oct 2020 #75
Yea, Bernie can't shit his yap... Zeus69 Oct 2020 #76
I didn't realize there was still so much hate here JonLP24 Oct 2020 #77
I hate the smears and attacks and denigrating of Democrats and the Democratic party. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #80
I don't like the smears and attacks on Sanders JonLP24 Oct 2020 #83
That's not entirely true, and you know it. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #119
Those were Bernie's EXACT words - no smear involved AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #133
Please don't try to change the subject & Cha Oct 2020 #139
Bernie Sanders could be Chair of the Senate Budget Committee Locutusofborg Oct 2020 #78
I voted for Biden JonLP24 Oct 2020 #82
HUH? Seriously? WTF does that even mean? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #122
Does he care about the country? treestar Oct 2020 #126
I am sorry. sheshe2 Oct 2020 #134
Bernie should retire AmericanCanuck Oct 2020 #99
Really, Bernie? Now? ehrnst Oct 2020 #86
Why? Because he's a fucking asshole, that's why. Codeine Oct 2020 #103
Which one of his homes did he say this from? DrToast Oct 2020 #110
FFS, why this, Bernie? Why now? Why rub our noses once again in the fact that you are not a Dem... Hekate Oct 2020 #115
Guess his demand for Sec of Labor was rejected. Budi Oct 2020 #127
Interesting theory. I had not considered that. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #129
Hmmm. sheshe2 Oct 2020 #135
So fucking insulting. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2020 #130
Surprise newdayneeded Oct 2020 #131
It certainly doesn't help, does it? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #136
Bernie being Bernie. Steelrolled Oct 2020 #132
Not Cha Oct 2020 #154
Really, Bernie!!?? 4 days BEFORE the Election!!? STFU electric_blue68 Oct 2020 #137
Well Bernie kept his mouth shut longer than I predicted. Shut it, Bernie! n/t zackymilly Oct 2020 #138
Just stop! sheshe2 Oct 2020 #143
This certainly doesn't help things does it. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #146
updated my post... sheshe2 Oct 2020 #149
Same crap he said in 2016. Then he at least waited until.. Kahuna Oct 2020 #145
Yep. dalton99a Oct 2020 #157
+1 betsuni Oct 2020 #158
Wow! That's infuriating! ecstatic Oct 2020 #162
My guess is that many others share your feelings. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #166
Oh he said some 3 days BEFORE, TOO.. Cha Oct 2020 #170
He's one of them Renew Deal Oct 2020 #150
Joe Biden knows what he's doing. He's smarter than his rivals give him credit for. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #152
Last two Democratic presidents, and the next one, are not from wealthy upper-middle class betsuni Oct 2020 #155
Black Women are Coastal Elites ? Why does Sanders dismiss working class women and JI7 Oct 2020 #159
Excellent question. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #163
+1 betsuni Oct 2020 #169
Bingo! I'm glad someone said it. Bernie seems to resent and or forget that Kahuna Oct 2020 #186
+1 betsuni Oct 2020 #189
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Oct 2020 #191
No self discipline ecstatic Oct 2020 #161
This probably shouldn't have been posted, either. coti Oct 2020 #164
Lies must be refuted. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #165
No, that's just dogmatic garbage. coti Oct 2020 #167
Potato potahto. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #168
Sanders doesn't consider himself a liberal JI7 Oct 2020 #173
Yes. Bernie: "I am not a liberal. I'm a progressive and there's a difference." betsuni Oct 2020 #180
Ha! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #195
We are not allow to disagree with sanders editorials now? Gothmog Oct 2020 #175
No we defend fellow democrats and the Democratic Party Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 #194
Anyone Remember BS saying he would "Do everything Cha Oct 2020 #178
You got that right, Sister! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #193
Dems lost the white-working class over civil rights radius777 Oct 2020 #179
I just watched a video of Bernie from 2003 where he says Americans won't vote for betsuni Oct 2020 #182
Bernie "I have all the lake houses I need, dont really want a cabinet job" Baclava Oct 2020 #183
So it's true then. Irony really IS dead. I knew it was in trouble, but Maru Kitteh Oct 2020 #185
+1 betsuni Oct 2020 #187
Fortunately most of America doesn't tavernier Oct 2020 #188
Not so "elite" that you won't use them and their infrastructure every four years GoCubsGo Oct 2020 #192
Thank you! Cha Nov 2020 #225
Brava! George II Nov 2020 #226
I guess he still wants people like me... uriel1972 Oct 2020 #196
Join the Democratic Party Captain_New_York Oct 2020 #198
Precisely correct! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #199
Sanders is not trying to help Trump and any suggestion otherwise is disgusting. DTomlinson Oct 2020 #209
Let me put it this way: Anything that harms our party, helps the GOP. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #210
No they don't. You're assuming bad faith where there is none. DTomlinson Oct 2020 #212
Ridiculous. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #213
Agreed, you were being ridiculous. DTomlinson Oct 2020 #216
The Democratic Party is an organization? Where do I sign up? What's the fee? Who's in charge? DTomlinson Oct 2020 #208
Tell it to Susan Sarandon, Bernie. Paladin Oct 2020 #200
Omg, I just saw his comments from a recent show Thursday, R B Garr Oct 2020 #201
Anger? Payback? NurseJackie Oct 2020 #202
Amen to every word! It's not like he can't be aware R B Garr Nov 2020 #233
Maybe this post could have waited till after the election. nt Hotler Oct 2020 #203
Way to go, Bernie! Wonderful timing! MineralMan Oct 2020 #204
:) Democrats are "coastal elite" instead of "same as Republicans"? Hortensis Oct 2020 #205
Coming right out and saying same-as-Republicans doesn't work so well anymore. betsuni Oct 2020 #206
The Republican Party was (and is) the party of economic royalists, aka elites. DTomlinson Oct 2020 #215
Ridiculous. Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Oct 2020 #219
In the U.S., elite as an insult is an anti-intellectual right-wing thing used against liberals. betsuni Oct 2020 #221
DTom, Sanders and Trump treat their followers with contempt. Hortensis Oct 2020 #222
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #231
This message was self-deleted by its author DTomlinson Oct 2020 #207
In context, Seth Myers directly asked Sanders for his thoughts on this topic. Sanders responded. DTomlinson Oct 2020 #211
LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2020 #217
Ok. DTomlinson Oct 2020 #218
Sanders chooses which questions to answer and which ones he does not... Spazito Oct 2020 #220
FFS - the timing is suspicious. Politicub Oct 2020 #214
He can't wait until after the election... Geez still_one Oct 2020 #223
Dems better Not Go Down in the Polls Cha Oct 2020 #224
To be fair, he NEARLY made it to the end.... OnDoutside Nov 2020 #227
Really.. BS wants a cabinet post? Cha Nov 2020 #228
I believe the general consensus is that such a thing is NOT going to happen. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #229
Yeah, that seemed important for Cha Nov 2020 #232
Obviously, Jane isn't very good at the "diplomacy thing" nor does she believe in... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #235
Yes, Let's Win This Thing.. the heck Cha Nov 2020 #236
+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #237
Bernie, Can't you see a gotcha question? Learn how to handle the press. UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #230
100% guarantee that Bernie told Meyers to ask him that. betsuni Nov 2020 #234

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. He can't help himself. This isn't going to earn him any cushy committee assignments AND....
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:00 PM
Oct 2020

....may squelch any chance of a position in a Biden Administration.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
160. I do not want sanders to be Secretary of Labor
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:00 PM
Oct 2020

We will lose a senate seat and I do not believe that sanders would do a good job in this office

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
197. Joe Biden knows what he's doing. I trust Joe. I trust his decisions.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 09:15 AM
Oct 2020

I trust that he will not choose Bernie for ANY position in his administration. Joe Biden needs a strong team that's loyal to, and dedicated to the Democratic party, our party's platform, and to our party's president.

 

Boogiemack

(1,406 posts)
70. Plus it is just not true. There may some pretty wealthy bi-coastal folks who support
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:31 PM
Oct 2020

the Democrats but they also support healthcare for all, living wages, voting rights, good education for all children, sane and fair immigration, and justice. What does it mean when we all get smeared with the tag coastal elites? Is that the rank opposite to Beltway swamp-dwellers? WTF?

You know you are an elite when you don't want to shake hands with "those disgusting people" like Trump says. I haven't heard that from the folks they would label as Democratic "coastal elites."

Who does this?

Sorry, but I remember marching with many Hollywood icons in civil rights protests. And I remember fund raisers by Hollywood and Broadway icons for Haiti and other ravaged peoples. LeBron one of those? Is Oprah, is Tom, is Keith, is Nancy, is Chuck. Just who the hell are they talking about?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Recently, Jane made it very clear that Bernie and Joe are NOT friends and that their relationship...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:33 PM
Oct 2020

... with the Bidens is, well, frosty (that would be a polite way to describe it).

I honestly can't see Joe choosing ANYONE to be a member of his cabinet who wouldn't be a team player and support his agenda (no matter who he or she happened to be).

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
35. He has a GOP governor, and frankly what has he really done to help us? AOC has come through
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:49 PM
Oct 2020

Two of my millennial/gen z daughters have received lots of messages from her on various site...one of their friends voted for Biden because of these missives... But Bernie not much.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
120. Huh. Poor relationships to be a pattern with BS.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:44 PM
Oct 2020

But I’m sure it’s everyone else that’s the problem and not him.

Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
8. Loooook at meeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:31 PM
Oct 2020

The Independent Senator from Vermont has an ego as big as Mad King Poopy Pants.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
102. Bingo.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:13 PM
Oct 2020

I have to wonder if there is a book ready to drop right after the election, like in 2016.

oasis

(49,151 posts)
148. Independents are free to point fingers while they do their own thing.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:39 PM
Oct 2020

That's the beauty of it all.

brush

(53,469 posts)
10. Poor Bernie. He can't help himself. He's not getting the attention he thrives on.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:32 PM
Oct 2020

We absolutely chose the right candidate to run against trump.

Divide, divide, divide must be in Sanders' DNA. Four days to go and he does this.

Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Ferrets are Cool

(21,059 posts)
22. Really???
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:39 PM
Oct 2020

"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people". Yeah, a troll headline and misleading, right?

Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #22)

Ferrets are Cool

(21,059 posts)
32. It was a shitty idea to say it days before the election of our lifetime. MY fucking dog has more
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:46 PM
Oct 2020

sense than that. And I used to be a huge Bernie supporter. Not anymore.

Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #36)

Malmsy

(296 posts)
93. He's fine with not answering questions when he doesn't like them.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:07 PM
Oct 2020

He could have refrained.

Hillary was criticized for answering a question honestly in an interview, and it wasn't curing an election season, but reported during a primary.





George II

(67,782 posts)
64. Who is stirring the pot? Sanders said it, not the OP or Newsweek. excerpts of your excerpt:
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:24 PM
Oct 2020
"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites"


i.e., not of working people. But that's entirely false. And if taken the way he worded it, could push middle Americans toward trump or another candidate, not the Democratic candidate.

...for many, many years the Democratic Party has not paid the kind of attention to working-class needs that they should've.


i.e., there may be a party/candidate that DOES pay attention to working-class needs. Again, this could push voters into another direction other than Democrats and the Democratic candidate.

Remember, there are elections on Tuesday for more than just president. We're in a dog fight for the Senate, why not PUSH voters to vote for the Democratic candidates other than sow doubt in their mind about whether or not the Democrat is paying attention to them?

On the other hand, he's wrong, too! The Democratic Party has been paying attention to working-class needs each and every day.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
125. +1
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:00 PM
Oct 2020

What is Bernie claiming? The Democratic party does what it can. Stupid voters make it a minority for too many years. Bernie should be dissing the Republican party instead.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
124. Is it even true?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:59 PM
Oct 2020

When in power, the Democratic party raises taxes on the rich, it passed the ACA which is hardly bad for the working class. It champions higher minimum wage. Just because it's not a higher figure than Bernie wants doesn't mean they aren't doing something.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,375 posts)
34. I appreciate that you, unlike the original thread title, accurately quoted the statement.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:48 PM
Oct 2020
"fair to say that in many ways" changes the context of the statement. I didn't see the interview, but I'd be surprised if Sanders meant anything close to the title of this thread.

And it has to be remembered that since republicons have been destroying unions, the democratic party had to find a way to replace what was a reliable source of funding and support which came from unions and union members. That is why the democratic party had to associate with Wall Street and others that would be considered to have "a lot of money" or be "elite". I don't like that fact, but it is true.

I hope that HR1 gets brought up again first thing in the next congress, only this time it will get passed by the new democratic senate and signed by the democratic president. Get money out of politics and these issues won't come up.

Malmsy

(296 posts)
95. "fair to say that in many ways" doesn't mitigate what was said afterwards.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:09 PM
Oct 2020

Just like saying "Bless her heart" doesn't mitigate what was said before.

I'm a supporter of Bernie, but this is not helpful at all, and I'm disappointed in this, and the timing.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
100. The fact that it could come out of his mouth NOW, is UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:12 PM
Oct 2020

You see, if trump steals again with the help of Russia, there is NO BERNIE

there is NO Democratic Party

there is NO Netflix unless the content PRAISES leader...

Bernie does not seem to get it yet...but then many dont
UN

FUCKING

BELIEVABLE

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. I read the article. I also shared the complete quote... "in context". That doesn't help...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:40 PM
Oct 2020
What he actually said, in context, wasn't that bad.
I read the article. I also shared the complete quote... "in context". That doesn't help to make it any better. It's just more lies and trashing of the Democratic party. It needs to stop.

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #23)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
41. Oh, yes. Let's just pretend it didn't happen... and pretend it doesn't matter.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:52 PM
Oct 2020

Is that what you're suggesting?

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Timing of the appearance on Seth Myers' show AND the comments is awful. Why now and not next week?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:25 PM
Oct 2020

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
73. *Crickets*
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:36 PM
Oct 2020

It's easier to blame the messenger rather than to place the blame (and righteous criticism) where it truthfully belongs. If it's not me being blamed, then it's Newsweek. (I'm waiting to see Seth Meyers blamed for asking the question and then NBC for allowing it to air.)

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
90. Bernie should have known this was awful at ANY time
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:04 PM
Oct 2020

It is not about the time -- it is the content of what he said which is awful.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
98. Sharing an article that quotes Senator Sanders is "pot-stirring?"
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:12 PM
Oct 2020

But the person who is quoted isn't "pot-stirring?"

Cha

(295,901 posts)
147. Yeah, that is Perplexing.. no mention of the
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:38 PM
Oct 2020

person, Pot Stirring, who made such an inaccurate statement, 4 days before the most important Election EVER, about the Democratic Party.

Demsrule86

(68,348 posts)
43. This is what he said...and honestly it is worse than the headline.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:54 PM
Oct 2020

"I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people who are good people, who believe in social justice in many respects," Sanders responded. "But I think for many, many years the Democratic Party has not paid the kind of attention to working-class needs that they should've."

You think this is helpful when Joe is appealing to working class voters four days before the election...the only silver lining is his criticism of Joe takes down the 'Joe is a socialist crap'...unintentional on Sander's part of course. He looks kind of angry and bitter here. No way to look at this other than a hit on Joe.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
48. You're correct... the COMPLETE quote (in context) is even worse than the abbreviated headline.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:02 PM
Oct 2020

It makes me sick.

George II

(67,782 posts)
56. The quotes are real. Most Democrats aren't interested in their party being described in a manner...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:09 PM
Oct 2020

....that "wasn't that bad" just four days before the election.

Not "that bad"?

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. The full video is on youtube. Here is Seth Myers' heading, NOT from Newsweek:
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:31 PM
Oct 2020
"Sen. Bernie Sanders Calls Out the Democratic Party's Neglect of the Working Class"

I guess he felt the same way as most people here. The video:


FoxNewsSucks

(10,375 posts)
123. Sanders spent 10 minutes there
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:52 PM
Oct 2020

supporting Biden and spelling out things the Democratic party should be working for - MFA, min wage increase etc.

It's sad to see so many here jump on one thing without watching the whole video and then use that as an excuse to vent their anti-sanders venom.

"Elites" "Money" and corporate interests have taken over the republicon party. That example alone should serve as sufficient warning. Apparently not, as some would seem not to mind the same thing happening to the Democratic party. I don't agree, I think it would be a disaster.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
140. What useful purpose is served by smearing Democrats and the Democratic party with lies?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:31 PM
Oct 2020

This was not some "accidental" slip of the tongue, or careless wording, or an inadvertent gaffe. This is not the first time these types of smears and lies have been hurled at Democrats or the Democratic party.

It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are the "party of Coastal Elites". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "feeble". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "corrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's also NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.

It's all so bizarre to me. The timing? Now? This?

Dear god, WHY?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
142. Ridiculous! Totally absurd! Who? WHO are you referring to?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:34 PM
Oct 2020
Apparently not, as some would seem not to mind the same thing happening to the Democratic party.
Ridiculous! Totally absurd! Who? WHO are you referring to? That's quite an accusation!

Beside that, it's TOTALLY FALSE that "the same thing is happening to the Democratic party". Complete nonsense.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,563 posts)
171. I read the article and it doesn't make it look any better
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 10:26 PM
Oct 2020

I will say that he's done a better job now than he did in 2016 of supporting the nominee but occasionally he still sticks his foot in it. This is one of those times. The"coastal elites" BS is a GOP talking point and saying it 4 days before the election wasn't helpful. I like Bernie and supported him in the primaries 4 years ago but he really shit the bed with this comment.

Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

bigtree

(85,917 posts)
20. that tears it!
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:37 PM
Oct 2020

...I am not voting for Bernie Sanders.

I don't know why folks think highlighting things like this right now are any more productive then the politics they're complaining about.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. Oh, yes. Let's just pretend it didn't happen... and pretend it doesn't matter.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:41 PM
Oct 2020

That will SURELY stop the lies and smears and attacks and denigrating of the Democratic party, eh?



I am not voting for Bernie Sanders.
Neither am I.

Cha

(295,901 posts)
151. Well said.. it's amazing to me that
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:45 PM
Oct 2020

anyone wants to cover up what BS is saying About the Democratic Party.

Our job is Not to cover for him.

We want to Win the Senate, Keep the House, and Win the WH.. and he comes up with this INACCURATE STATEMENT 4 Days BEFORE OUR Most Important Election EVER?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
153. If we say NOTHING, that sends a message of approval. Or our silence could be taken as...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:55 PM
Oct 2020

If we say NOTHING, that sends a message of approval. Or our silence could be taken as a tacit admission of guilt.

FUCK NO! I'll not remain silent when our party is smeared and attacked by Bernie Sanders!

People are trying to defend him by putting the blame on loyal Democrats... and faulting US for defending our party!

Honestly, I'll not remain silent and let this type of bulling behavior go without calling it out for what it is.

Cha

(295,901 posts)
156. So Grateful you did! & right.. saying nothing
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 07:11 PM
Oct 2020

could be construed as "approval"..

So Hell No.. Do Not Approve of him or anyone saying something so ridiculously Wrong about our Democratic Party Ever.. much less NOW.

He needs to be held Accountable.

Mahalo, Jackie

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
105. As long as you can guarantee me his comments will NOT CHANGE one vote, will not
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:16 PM
Oct 2020

STOP someone from voting, then fine.


But we both know there is for some GOD DAMN REASON many out there who swear by his every word.

UN
FUCKING
BELIEVABLE

that he said this now...WOW

mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
21. Doesn't Sanders want a position in Joe's cabinet?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:38 PM
Oct 2020

Keep bashing the Democratic party, just days to the election isn't the way to accomplish that.

Then you'll cry foul when you are passed over.

Smart people know when to keep their mouths shut.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
47. Yes. He's been very careful to 'not say no" and not "rule-out" anything.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:00 PM
Oct 2020

Yes. He's been very careful to 'not say no" and not "rule-out" anything. Everyone knows that politi-speak for "yes, but I'm not going to be blunt about it because it might look opportunistic or in poor form and if I'm not chosen then I won't be humiliated for being rejected for something I really wanted." (I think all politicians...most all...hedge like that.)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-elections-sanders-wants-role-in-cabinet-as-price-of-loyalty-to-rival-srzvskld5

George II

(67,782 posts)
107. Yes:
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:17 PM
Oct 2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/bernie-sanders-biden-labor-secretary-431266

Bernie Sanders makes a play for Biden Labor secretary

Sen. Bernie Sanders is hoping to be a part of Joe Biden’s potential administration and has expressed a particular interest in becoming Labor secretary, two people familiar with the conversations tell POLITICO.

“I can confirm he's trying to figure out how to land that role or something like it,” said one person close to the Vermont senator. “He, personally, does have an interest in it.”

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
28. I wonder if he may be going into cognitive decline.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:44 PM
Oct 2020

I don't think he belongs anywhere in a Biden administration.

lame54

(35,137 posts)
31. Hey Bernie - didn't your mother tell you that if you can't say anything nice...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:45 PM
Oct 2020

Stay off the goddamn talk shows four days before an election?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
111. East Coast. NYC born and bred, and New Englander by choice.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:19 PM
Oct 2020

Yep, east coast ingrained. Career politician.

And yes, he's in the 1%.

Ponietz

(2,904 posts)
38. Beware of Newsweek spin--Trash and ignore 👍🏼 Don't take the bait
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:51 PM
Oct 2020

And don’t read Newsweek without understanding its background.
Smarten up.

The Manhattan District Attorney's office raided Newsweek's headquarters in Lower Manhattan on January 18, 2018, and seized 18 computer servers as part of an investigation related to the company's finances.[64] IBT, which owned Newsweek, had been under scrutiny for its ties to David Jang,[64] a South Korean pastor and the leader of a Christian sect called "the Community".[65]”

“In August 2020, just after Kamala Harris was picked as running-mate by Joe Biden for the presidential election, Newsweek published an opinion piece by John C. Eastman, a law professor and former Dean of Chapman University Law School. Eastman argued that Harris would not be eligible to become vice-president because her parents were not American citizens at the time of her birth. This idea was contradictory with American jurisprudence since at least 1898 (the Wong Kim Ark ruling), and the opinion piece was heavily criticized by law experts and readers.”

[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek|

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
94. It is not a spin -- they are quoting him EXACTLY
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:08 PM
Oct 2020

That is what Bernie said and they are accurately reporting it.

Ponietz

(2,904 posts)
174. By headlining something otherwise not newsworthy
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:39 AM
Oct 2020

Newsweek seeks to divide. I wouldn’t even have known had not the OP posted, and the familiar axes being ground. It might just as well have been a Breitbart piece. Best to ignore.

sheshe2

(83,335 posts)
177. Ahhh.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:57 AM
Oct 2020

Ahhh, well okay.

It was a QUOTE from him.

Calling out Dems 4 days before the most important election of our lifetime IS DIVISIVE.230K Americans dead. Families morning them from afar because they can't be there with them. Families separated from their children, parents, grandparents and grandchildren. My great niece turned one in July. I held her twice. She took her first steps a month ago. I saw it on video.

I don't need a man that talks down Democrats at this time. This is not the time or place.

Stats show we may have 500K dead by January. What has he said about that?

Ponietz

(2,904 posts)
181. I'm not defending, just noticing the triggering, and suggesting that
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 01:27 AM
Oct 2020

extinction is a valid operant behavior conditioning technique.
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(psychology)|

Spazito

(49,755 posts)
61. I didn't know that, I didn't think that could be done...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:19 PM
Oct 2020

Aren't ad revenue from a campaign designated campaign monies and, therefore, cannot be for personal use?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
79. Don't believe everything you read on DU
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:43 PM
Oct 2020

Sanders has a home in DC & Vermont while a 3rd home was inherited from parents. There are a lot more politicians wealthier than Sanders but for some reason they only obsess over Sanders finances.

Spazito

(49,755 posts)
84. It's the hypocrisy I take issue with...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:52 PM
Oct 2020

Sanders is a millionaire with three homes, that is a fact. He is, by his own measure, an elitist yet he sees fit to complain about Democrats being elitist. He really needs to look in a mirror, imo.

George II

(67,782 posts)
117. Actually he has two in Vermont - the inherited home in Maine was sold and the Sanders' share....
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:37 PM
Oct 2020

....was about $120K.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
85. There is a percentage for placing ads,
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:53 PM
Oct 2020

a commission. In his Senate races, Sanders paid that money to his wife. In his 2016 Presidential race, he placed ads through a company called Old Towne media, which has close relations with his wife. https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/15/sanders-campaign-millions-go-to-mystery-firm/

None of this is illegal, but it is self-dealing. Most candidates come out a presidential election broke--like almost all of them. Sanders immediately bought a new home through an entity called Islands Family Trust. He paid cash. That was well before his book was released.

I didn't look into his 2020 campaign so I don't know if it's different or not.

Spazito

(49,755 posts)
87. Ahhh, yes, I now remember reading about this before....
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:58 PM
Oct 2020

the less than transparent use of Old Towne media and the close ties with his wife. I didn't realize or, at least, remember the part about commissions earned, thanks for the info on that. If one can buy a property worth, it seems, close to half a million with cash, that commission must have been hefty, very hefty.

Spazito

(49,755 posts)
116. That definitely would have boosted the commissions...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:36 PM
Oct 2020

earned and with the utter lack of transparency of the LLC we are left with many questions for sure as to who received them.

Spazito

(49,755 posts)
114. Wouldn't having a family member of a candidate involved with the company buying/selling ads...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:33 PM
Oct 2020

and, therefore, earning commissions be a conflict of interest at the very least? I guess with the utter lack of transparency of The Olde Media LLC we will be left with questions for sure.

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
45. Shut the hell up until after the election
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 03:57 PM
Oct 2020

First begging for a job and now opening your mouth again. We don’t have time for this shit. We are trying to defeat a threat to this country.

George II

(67,782 posts)
51. "..an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion....resentment and negativity..." and an appearance...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:03 PM
Oct 2020

...of disarray. That's what republicans like to see.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
55. These smears and attacks need to stop... FOREVER!
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:09 PM
Oct 2020

It only serves to divide and weaken. It turns would-be voters against us. It spoils the atmosphere for people who'd otherwise vote, donate, volunteer, canvass.

I hate that he continues to do this.

Initech

(99,913 posts)
60. What??? Tell that to a guy who literally owns a giant gold tower with his name on it!!!
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:18 PM
Oct 2020

If this doesn't scream "elite" then what does, Bernie?

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
63. I seldom severely dislike anyone on our side
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:22 PM
Oct 2020

Bernie is an exception. I intentionally stayed away from this site throughout primaries 2016 because I never would have been able to restrain myself regarding Bernie Sanders

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
68. It's awful timing and a terrible message, isn't it? And now some people are blaming Newsweek for...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:29 PM
Oct 2020

It's awful timing and a terrible message, isn't it? And now some people are blaming Newsweek for reporting it. That makes as much sense as blaming Seth Meyers for asking the question? I guess that means we should also blame NBC for airing the interview? Or, does it make MORE sense to hold accountable someone's poor judgement and poor timing when it comes to denigrating and smearing the Democratic party?

I intentionally stayed away from this site throughout primaries 2016...
I understand completely what you mean.



 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
67. He is not a Democrat - never was, never will be
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:27 PM
Oct 2020

If he had posted those statements on DU, those posts would not have survived; yet, here we see him criticizing the party that rejected him. TWICE.

Form your own party please.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
77. I didn't realize there was still so much hate here
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:40 PM
Oct 2020

He campaigned with Kamala Harris's last night.

LOL at those that say ego. All of these politicians have egos.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
80. I hate the smears and attacks and denigrating of Democrats and the Democratic party.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:44 PM
Oct 2020

Every loyal Democrat should.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
83. I don't like the smears and attacks on Sanders
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:51 PM
Oct 2020

He was on the Democratic primary ballot and he campaigns and votes the party line all the time.

I voted for Biden and will defend him against unfair attacks like the Hunter Biden laptop story. I do think big money has too much influence over both parties.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
119. That's not entirely true, and you know it.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:40 PM
Oct 2020
votes the party line all the time.
That's not entirely true, and you know it. Rounded-up, the percentage is about 80% of the time he votes with the party.

I don't like the smears and attacks on Sanders
Ridiculous. Pointing out how foolish it is for a "high-profile" politician to be denigrating Democrats and the Democratic at this critical moment is NOT "smearing" or "attacking" Sanders.

It's just another variation of the "both sides" and "Democrats are just as bad as the GOP" lies. It's harmful and THAT is why people are angry and calling him out on it. Nobody is "attacking" him as you're suggesting. He brought it all upon himself by spouting-off like that just four days before the election.

All I'm trying to say is this: Those kinds of lies about the Democratic party are NOT going to bring-in new voters. The lies and smears and attacks only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Cha

(295,901 posts)
139. Please don't try to change the subject &
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:27 PM
Oct 2020

pull out the "hate" card.

Read what BS said.. that's what DU Members don't like.. 4 fucking Days before the Most Important Damn Election EVER!

Locutusofborg

(524 posts)
78. Bernie Sanders could be Chair of the Senate Budget Committee
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:40 PM
Oct 2020

in January. He's not even a Democrat. He should be denied that powerful and influential position and someone who IS a Democrat should become the Chair.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
82. I voted for Biden
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 04:47 PM
Oct 2020

Part of the reason is because AOC or Bernie has a better chance of passing legislation with Biden as President.

He has been actively campaigning for the Biden-Harris but I don't even know why he bothers since the party will never appreciate it.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
122. HUH? Seriously? WTF does that even mean?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:50 PM
Oct 2020
He has been actively campaigning for the Biden-Harris but I don't even know why he bothers since the party will never appreciate it.
HUH? Seriously? WTF does that even mean?

So, what you're saying is that someone should ONLY "bother" to support the party only if there's something in it for themselves... and only if they're rewarded with ample appreciation and praise? Is that about right?

Part of the reason is because AOC or Bernie has a better chance of passing legislation with Biden as President.
Well, first of all, whatever legislation they write (or more likely, that they co-sponsor) would first have to get through Congress before it hits President Biden's desk. It's not ONLY who's president... there's a lot that needs to be done in being willing to compromise and find mutual benefit and common ground with others. It's about building coalitions and doing favors in order to call-in favors.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
126. Does he care about the country?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:04 PM
Oct 2020

Does he care about Dotard staying in office and the disaster that would be? Why does he need "appreciation" from the party he does not belong to by his own choice?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
103. Why? Because he's a fucking asshole, that's why.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:14 PM
Oct 2020

He’s the Old Man Yelling at a Cloud writ large.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
115. FFS, why this, Bernie? Why now? Why rub our noses once again in the fact that you are not a Dem...
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 05:35 PM
Oct 2020

...and that you owe the Party exactly zero loyalty, despite all the efforts made by the Party to satisfy your demands? Can’t you just shut it for one freaking week?

I guess I am just one of those awful coastal elites, hanging out in loopy California waiting for the next wave or whatever it is you think California Democrats do when we’re not fighting the biggest goddamned fires in history, and by the way voting for DEMOCRATS.

newdayneeded

(1,939 posts)
131. Surprise
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:20 PM
Oct 2020

OHHHH! I didn't know the October surprise was gonna come from Bernie! Well, I guess Comey was too busy this time around. lol

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
136. It certainly doesn't help, does it?
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:25 PM
Oct 2020

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are the "party of Coastal Elites". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "feeble". It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "corrupt". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's also NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's also NOT TRUE that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.

It's all so bizarre to me. The timing? Now? This?

Dear god, WHY?

sheshe2

(83,335 posts)
143. Just stop!
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:36 PM
Oct 2020

Just stop Bernie.

You said you would campaign for Joe. You have not.

You chose 4 days before this election to take on, not tRump but the Democratic party.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
146. This certainly doesn't help things does it.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:37 PM
Oct 2020

It's just another variation of the "both parties are the same" bullshit. I'm sick of it.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
152. Joe Biden knows what he's doing. He's smarter than his rivals give him credit for.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 06:51 PM
Oct 2020

Joe has the right instincts and he knows who to trust. He know who will best serve his administration. He knows which contenders are there for the benefit of the American people, and which ones are only looking out for their own interests and careers. Joe can spot the phonies from a mile away, no matter who he or she may be.

betsuni

(25,127 posts)
155. Last two Democratic presidents, and the next one, are not from wealthy upper-middle class
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 07:10 PM
Oct 2020

backgrounds. I'd like to know who the hell he's talking about and give proof. Someone should tell him who votes for Democrats. Not the wealthiest, they vote for Republicans.

It's one of the myths he espouses: Democrats are the same as Republicans except for social justice. That it's not that they can't get the votes to pass progressive legislature, as now with Republicans controlling the senate, it's because they don't want to because they're beholden to the "donor class" and Wall St. Only people who don't know how government works believe this.



Kahuna

(27,310 posts)
186. Bingo! I'm glad someone said it. Bernie seems to resent and or forget that
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 06:27 AM
Oct 2020

black women are largely the base of the Democratic party. He hasn't figured out how to deal with that fact.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
161. No self discipline
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:04 PM
Oct 2020

Glad he was rejected. We don't need another impulsive attention seeker in the White House.

coti

(4,612 posts)
164. This probably shouldn't have been posted, either.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:21 PM
Oct 2020

Everybody just calm down and cut each other some slack, the last thing we need to be doing right now is attacking fellow liberals over anything, justified or not.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
165. Lies must be refuted.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:36 PM
Oct 2020

To say nothing is to accept them. I'll always defend our party against crap like this.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
168. Potato potahto.
Fri Oct 30, 2020, 09:44 PM
Oct 2020

This type of absurd hair splitting indicates a very weak argument and weak defense of the smears and lies.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
175. We are not allow to disagree with sanders editorials now?
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:41 AM
Oct 2020

By your logic, sanders should have waited until after the election to post this editorial. I disagree with the logic and substance of such editorial.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
194. No we defend fellow democrats and the Democratic Party
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 07:45 AM
Oct 2020

even when liberals attack them with lies. That’s why this site is named Democratic Underground not liberal underground.

Cha

(295,901 posts)
178. Anyone Remember BS saying he would "Do everything
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:57 AM
Oct 2020
possible to defeat trump"..? I do.

NewsFLASH.. This is NOT THAT!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
193. You got that right, Sister!
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 07:41 AM
Oct 2020

I always thought it was weird that he phrased it what way (ie: he would work to "defeat Trump" rather than to "support Biden&quot . This is a clear pattern.

I guess what I'm trying to point out, and the thing that bothers me the most is WHY NOW?? Even though his "support" of Biden and the Democratic party has been rather perfunctory, there is REALLY nothing good that comes from this LAST MINUTE ("October Surprise"??) style attack on the Democratic Party.

The timing couldn't be worse. It was either a very stupid mistake, or a very mean-spirited and intentional backhanded slap of the Democratic Party.

This is, just "Bernie-being-Bernie" and I always knew that he'd eventually revert back to the anti-Democratic-party rhetoric that thrills his fan base. If he'd said this in a month (or even in a week) I'd have just rolled my eyes and tried to ignore him as best as I possibly could.

But NOW!?? Right fucking NOW??!! He pulls this shit NOW?? With just FOUR DAYS until the election???





radius777

(3,624 posts)
179. Dems lost the white-working class over civil rights
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 01:16 AM
Oct 2020

and associated movements, not because of 'coastal elites'.

The populist left really doesn't want an honest conversation about this topic.

Working class whites are often very culturally conservative and reject any of the social advances of the past 50 years. Many studies have been done on this topic that confirm this is the main reason for their support of the GOP. We can work to get many of them back but we have to be honest in what we are dealing with.

betsuni

(25,127 posts)
182. I just watched a video of Bernie from 2003 where he says Americans won't vote for
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 01:49 AM
Oct 2020

Republican policies so they used division, especially race, to get votes. He used to know this.

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
185. So it's true then. Irony really IS dead. I knew it was in trouble, but
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 05:56 AM
Oct 2020

this confirms it. Irony is deceased. Done in by a coastal-dwelling holier-than-me white dude with at least three homes wagging his finger at the southern POC and Democrats everywhere who rejected him as being "elites" because they dare stand for equality before catering solely to the insecurities of his own diminished white base.

Well then,

bye.



tavernier

(12,322 posts)
188. Fortunately most of America doesn't
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 07:12 AM
Oct 2020

give a rat’s ass about what Bernie thinks, since he is not on the ticket. This will mostly just stir up the politically obsessed, like us. But it does make me wonder if he was the eight year old who ran around telling all the four year olds on Christmas Eve that there is no Santa.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
192. Not so "elite" that you won't use them and their infrastructure every four years
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 07:41 AM
Oct 2020

for your presidential runs, though, eh asshole? Go fuck yourself.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
196. I guess he still wants people like me...
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 09:12 AM
Oct 2020

To play nice with those racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic MAGA. People who would happily torture and murder me because of the way I was born.

HELL NO! To that.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
199. Precisely correct!
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 09:25 AM
Oct 2020

These many many ongoing insults and smears and lies only serve to generate distrust and resentment. It's the same response every time... yet it continues. Why?

But more importantly, I wonder: WHY NOW??

All I want to know is this: who benefits the most when these types of attacks are hurled at our Democratic party (and at Joe Biden, by extension and by association). Who benefits? What purpose does it serve AT THIS CRITICAL MOMENT??

What was the motivation?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
210. Let me put it this way: Anything that harms our party, helps the GOP.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 02:29 PM
Oct 2020

Let me put it this way: Anything that harms our party, helps the GOP.

There are no two ways about it. You know perfectly well that these kinds of smears and lies about the Democratic party (and by extension, our party's candidate for president, Joe Biden) do indeed cause damage.

Everyone knows it. Bernie knows it. So, why does he continue doing it? Why now? Why RIGHT NOW just four days before the most important election in the past 160 years.

And why do people defend it? That's what's truly disgusting.

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
200. Tell it to Susan Sarandon, Bernie.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 09:36 AM
Oct 2020

Those of us who are for-real Democrats are long past caring what you say.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
201. Omg, I just saw his comments from a recent show Thursday,
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 11:39 AM
Oct 2020

and his comments are absolutely infuriating. WHY now....AGAIN! They are not remotely accurate, but more important, they are UNNECESSARY.

So...this is why people like me follow these politicians comments...who all are trying to build a “brand” from nasty and manipulative comments about Democrats.

This is not helping in the final days of ANOTHER election.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
202. Anger? Payback?
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 12:05 PM
Oct 2020

It's that kind of negative rhetoric, smears and lies that HURT the Democratic party. Anything that hurts and divides Democrats... and anything that denigrates the Democratic party (and by inference, our nominee, Joe Biden) only serves to help the GOP.

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Why now?? What's the motivation? I'm sick of it!

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
233. Amen to every word! It's not like he can't be aware
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:43 AM
Nov 2020

that badmouthing Democrats helps Republicans. We’re living with Trump in the White House because of it. So what is the reason THIS time?!

Bernie should spend his time explaining how Donald’s 3 Supreme Court picks will screw us over for decades to come. Talk about REAL things and consequences for a change!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
205. :) Democrats are "coastal elite" instead of "same as Republicans"?
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 01:07 PM
Oct 2020

I'm fine being called "elite." Even though of course it's intended as an insult, "elite" is obviously anyone on the left who values what we have far too much to be drawn to his class warfare-type populism.

Hardly a surprise that he's positioning himself to draw distressed post-election "heartland" Americans -- i.e., Trump's angry conservative populists aka Trumpsters -- to him. He drew as many as he could before, and there should be a bunch wandering in the post-election wilderness for him scoop up. Also, of course, he needs to reel back in his base of socialists-whatever-that-is and resentful LW populists and other malcontent LW types.

(If it encourages some of those to not vote, well, if there's no real difference between us and Republicans does it really matter any more than it did (not) in 2016?)

Btw, of course MOST AMERICANS are "coastal elites." 40% of us live in counties right ON the coast, and another 30% in coastal-aligned regions. And 63% of all Americans in those scattered dots, or what Trump calls those "anarchist""out of control cities." And precious few of us want to burn down our barn instead of fixing it up.

betsuni

(25,127 posts)
206. Coming right out and saying same-as-Republicans doesn't work so well anymore.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 02:02 PM
Oct 2020

Needs more dog whistle. Back to the old '70s "coastal elites" insult that young people don't recognize.

 

DTomlinson

(411 posts)
215. The Republican Party was (and is) the party of economic royalists, aka elites.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 02:34 PM
Oct 2020

But continue to show your contempt for the uneducated working people out in the flyover states. They’re all just a bunch of “angry conservative populists”, after all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
219. Ridiculous. Nobody is doing that.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 02:44 PM
Oct 2020
But continue to show your contempt for the uneducated working people out in the flyover states.
Ridiculous. Nobody is doing that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
222. DTom, Sanders and Trump treat their followers with contempt.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 05:23 PM
Oct 2020

You NEED to be angry at Sanders and Trump, not at those who are angry at them for trying to play on the weaknesses and inflammability of so many vulnerable to populist messaging. And they prey on ALL vulnerable Americans, of course, not just "flyover."

So, here again: "Coastal" is a negative emotional message to both antagonistic middle America and antagonistic white conservatives, telling them who to resent (the majority of all Americans). "Centrist elites" - negative gut message to both right AND left wing, but especially LW resentments. again against mainstream voters.

And don't miss that using "coastal" instead of "urban" and "city" is a more subtle way of including reference to minorities. A quiet dogwhistle, but not missed by those it's intended for.

Remember, both left and RW populist movements draw social conservatives. A lot stronger on the right, of course, which is why Trump won overwhelmingly, but definitely on the left also. There's a lot of overlap. That's why Sanders couldn't promise what AA Democrats required of their candidate in the two primaries -- it would have lost him too many of his social conservative leaners.

"Make America great again" - Trump. "Anyway, the Democrats do it too" - Sanders answering a question at the She the People conference about Repubs packing the courts with predatory racists. (How's that for insulting the intelligence and rejecting the concerns of a very intelligent, mostly Democrat black audience?!)

We should be angry wherever we see that, DTom.

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DTomlinson

(411 posts)
211. In context, Seth Myers directly asked Sanders for his thoughts on this topic. Sanders responded.
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 02:29 PM
Oct 2020

Not sure what people are so mad about.

Spazito

(49,755 posts)
220. Sanders chooses which questions to answer and which ones he does not...
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 02:45 PM
Oct 2020

ie he has not answered any questions regarding Old Towne media and any connections he and/or his family members might have with it.

He chose not only to answer Seth's question, he deliberately chose the less than inclusive language he used to answer it.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
229. I believe the general consensus is that such a thing is NOT going to happen.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:17 AM
Nov 2020

According to Jane, they have a "frosty" relationship with the Bidens... and I can't imagine Joe wanting to add someone to his administration like that.

Rather, the Biden administration will be one that's filled with cooperation, teamwork, hope and optimism. And that's something that I'm very much looking forward to.

Cha

(295,901 posts)
232. Yeah, that seemed important for
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:29 AM
Nov 2020

her to tell that.. but then I read BS said he and Biden "were friends". So what to believe?

Yeah, I'm thinking from what I've read that Biden wants People to get along with a shared Vision.. and now Sanders comes out with this.. that doesn't hold water.

Biden seems like he would be easy to be friends with if there was mutual respect.

We know BS wanted President Obama primaried in 2012.. but that didn't work out so well for him in the long run. I hope he doesn't try that with Joe Biden if we should be so Fortunate to Get Biden in our WH!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
235. Obviously, Jane isn't very good at the "diplomacy thing" nor does she believe in...
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:44 AM
Nov 2020
I read BS said he and Biden "were friends". So what to believe?
Obviously, Jane isn't very good at the "diplomacy thing" nor does she believe in making an effort to maintain appearances or in keeping-the-peace for its own sake (ie: leaving her personal feelings aside and keeping them private).

It always makes me chuckle when two politicians can be such bitter and vicious rivals... but when speaking in chambers, they refer to each other as "My Good Friend from Idaho" or "My Esteemed Colleague from Kentucky". (Everyone KNOWS they don't mean it... and it's said almost sarcastically.)

Further evidence of Jane's ineptitude on such things that require a more skilled hand and nuanced approach was her election day tweet in which she commented that WHO you vote for is not as important as the fact that you voted. Argh! Nonsense, Jane! (She's not a strategic thinker and someone who shoots-from-the-hip by just blurting out her version of the truth as she sees it... as she believes it to be.)

All I'm trying to say here is that even though we may have conflicting statements on the matter, I believe that Jane's are more close to the truth since they lack diplomacy, refinement or other political niceties that we've come to expect from seasoned and experienced politicians.

Let's go win this thing!

Aloha a me ka maluhia!

betsuni

(25,127 posts)
234. 100% guarantee that Bernie told Meyers to ask him that.
Mon Nov 2, 2020, 07:43 AM
Nov 2020

Because nobody else except Bernie and his supporters think the Democratic Party doesn't "serve the working people in this country."

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