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Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:05 PM

Amoral or immoral?

In my opinion, opinion writers and other pundits should be describing Trumpís behavior as immoral as opposed to amoral.

Amoral vs. immoral
The adjective immoral means contrary to established moral principles. Immoral actions are corrupt, unethical, sinful, or just wrong. Amoral means (1) neither moral nor immoral, or (2) lacking moral sensibility. So while immoral and amoral might share a little common ground, there is a clear distinction: immoral things are bad, and amoral things are either neutral from a moral perspective or simply removed from moral considerations.

https://grammarist.com/usage/amoral-immoral/

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Reply Amoral or immoral? (Original post)
Mme. Defarge Oct 28 OP
pwb Oct 28 #1
dlk Oct 28 #2
nolabear Oct 28 #3
Mike 03 Oct 28 #5
Mike 03 Oct 28 #4
poli-junkie Oct 28 #6
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Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:12 PM

1. More immoral but

I just say he is a pig.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:13 PM

2. It's both...

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:16 PM

3. Immoral is judged from outside. Amoral isn't necessarily.

You can do things you think are immoral but that idea is an agreed upon construct. Amorality just doesnít take morals into consideration or respond to acts as moral or amoral. You can act out of both but perspective matters.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:21 PM

5. That's a perfect way to put it.



That's actually quite profound.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:20 PM

4. I appreciate what you're saying.

I think Trump is an inherently amoral man whose amorality leads him to take immoral actions.

But then one has to grapple with the sadistic element. He learns that something is hurting people, and he either continues to do it or makes it worse. That's where the immorality comes in. In his mind he is exacting revenge against people who don't appreciate him. So now we've added anger to the mix. At that point, IMO, his behavior transmogrifies into actual immorality. But if you asked him about it, he'd just shrug and say "they deserve it."

In other words, I don't think he appreciates that his actions are immoral. I'm not even sure he is capable of judging whether or not his own behavior is moral or immoral.

Someone like Stephen Miller is easier to figure out because he's just immoral.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 04:56 PM

6. Corporations are inherently amoral.

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2020, 09:22 PM

7. If a person is immoral, they know what is right and what is wrong and choose to do wrong.

If a person is amoral, they simply do not recognize the concepts of right and wrong so they never have to choose. They do what they judge to be in their interest, PERIOD. Since there is no right or wrong in their world, they have no need for a conscience and never feel ashamed of their self-centered actions.

IMHO, Trump is amoral.

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