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BILLIONAIRE J.K. ROWLING: Here's Why I Didn't Leave The UK Even Though We Have High Taxes (w/Video)

BILLIONAIRE J.K. ROWLING: Here's Why I Didn't Leave The UK Even Though We Have High Taxes
Henry Blodget - Business Insider
Sep. 27, 2012, 12:47 PM



<snip>

One of the main talking points of those who argue that we need to cut taxes for rich people is that rich people will leave the country if we don't.

Why will rich people leave?

Because unlike all the irresponsible deadbeats who don't pay much in taxes, the story goes, rich people are smart, independent, and resourceful, and they won't stand for having their money confiscated. Instead, they'll just move somewhere with lower tax rates. Like Monaco.

This storyline, of course, goes hand in hand with the "you didn't build that" meme.

<And...>

The bottom line?

Rowling loves her country, and she wants her kids to grow up there. And, as someone who once depended on the safety net designed to help those going through hard times, she feels a debt to her society.

Here's Rowling in the London Times (via Chris Bertram of Crooked Timber and Frank Black : http://crookedtimber.org/2010/04/14/j-k-rowling-on-welfare-and-patriotism/ ) :

I chose to remain a domiciled taxpayer for a couple of reasons. The main one was that I wanted my children to grow up where I grew up, to have proper roots in a culture as old and magnificent as Britain’s; to be citizens, with everything that implies, of a real country, not free-floating ex-pats, living in the limbo of some tax haven and associating only with the children of similarly greedy tax exiles.

A second reason, however, was that I am indebted to the British welfare state; the very one that Mr Cameron would like to replace with charity handouts. When my life hit rock bottom, that safety net, threadbare though it had become under John Major’s Government, was there to break the fall. I cannot help feeling, therefore, that it would have been contemptible to scarper for the West Indies at the first sniff of a seven-figure royalty cheque. This, if you like, is my notion of patriotism. On the available evidence, I suspect that it is Lord Ashcroft’s idea of being a mug.

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Link: http://www.businessinsider.com/jk-rowling-on-high-taxes-2012-9

The full LondonTimes Rawling pice is here, but it's subscription and you have to pay: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7096786.ece

BUT... Cenk rides to the rescue on that:







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Reply BILLIONAIRE J.K. ROWLING: Here's Why I Didn't Leave The UK Even Though We Have High Taxes (w/Video) (Original post)
WillyT Sep 2012 OP
malaise Sep 2012 #1
Zalatix Sep 2012 #2
valerief Sep 2012 #15
Hydra Sep 2012 #31
Smilo Sep 2012 #3
supernova Sep 2012 #4
Jennicut Sep 2012 #5
reformist2 Sep 2012 #6
Uncle Joe Sep 2012 #7
renie408 Sep 2012 #8
Baitball Blogger Sep 2012 #9
Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #10
bhikkhu Sep 2012 #11
xchrom Sep 2012 #12
treestar Sep 2012 #13
valerief Sep 2012 #16
me b zola Sep 2012 #22
Hydra Sep 2012 #32
demmiblue Sep 2012 #14
The Wielding Truth Sep 2012 #17
SunSeeker Sep 2012 #18
drlit Sep 2012 #19
JI7 Sep 2012 #20
HiPointDem Sep 2012 #21
littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #23
luv_mykatz Sep 2012 #24
coldwaterintheface Sep 2012 #25
emmadoggy Sep 2012 #26
hunter Sep 2012 #27
WillyT Sep 2012 #28
pepperbear Sep 2012 #29
WillyT Sep 2012 #30
pepperbear Sep 2012 #33
Turborama Sep 2012 #34
CrispyQ Sep 2012 #35

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:13 PM

1. That is lovely

Patriotism should have meaning

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:17 PM

2. This is why I always use the word PLUTOCRACY no matter how hard it is for people to remember.

 

Bashing the rich includes good souls like Rawlings. The Plutocrats, on the other hand, area specific group of evil people dedicated to the ideology of "survival of the richest".

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:10 PM

15. Good point. She' s a rare bird, though, I suspect. nt

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:26 PM

31. Rowling's story is about unique

And frankly, when we talk about people like the Bush Family, who have been at this for generations, I don't think (the few) people who are responsibly wealthy consider themselves part of that "club."

And yes, I spent a day among the 1%, and when you're that high, you can't even even see the ground from there, let alone understand it.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:20 PM

3. Believing in your country...........

a concept sadly lacking in billionaires born in this country.

Britain is lucky to have J.K.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:20 PM

4. JK Rowling is good people

and I wish her every financial success in her career.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:23 PM

5. I love her. Not just for her talent.

But for attitude toward government and how it can help people that need help. This woman has given $160 million away of her fortune to charity and agrees that paying higher taxes is good for her country.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:26 PM

6. In terms of celebrities with "influencing power", JK Rowling has to be near the top.


Not that everyone will hear what she has to say, but for those who do hear/read what she has to say, they will take it seriously.

Glad that she's on our side.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:26 PM

7. Rowling is a true patriot, we don't have a Union Jack smilie so I will make do

with the Stars and Stripes, kudos to J.K.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:27 PM

8. Posted her comments about patriotism on my FB wall and added as a comment:

"Yeah, that's kind of my idea of patriotism, too. This country has forgotten that and we have gradually become more loyal to the dollar than to the country that gave us, ALL OF US, our opportunities.

And that is how half the people in this country can consider voting for someone for the LEADER of this country who has spent his life trying to avoid paying taxes however he can. Look up how Mitt Romney can have an IRA worth something like $100 million dollars. How can that be when you are only allowed to put a certain amount in every year? Well, there is a loophole for that. How can he pay such a low percentage in taxes on his enormous fortune? There's a loophole for that. How can he have trust funds for his children that he draws interest from, but which are not taxed? Another loophole

Loopholes and Swiss accounts and millions in the Cayman Islands and yet, many of you think this man loves this country enough to run it. Do you know why I will not vote for Mitt Romney?

He is not good enough for me."

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:33 PM

9. Hell ya. The equivalent to what J.K.Rowling did was write a billlion dollar story while she lived on

welfare.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:34 PM

10. A wonderful example of paying it forward.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:56 PM

11. I liked the books, as enjoyable fiction

and the movies of course (having two daughters)...but now I really like the author as well, as a person!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 02:57 PM

12. Du rec. Nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:00 PM

13. Maybe that is exactly what right wingers don't want

They don't want the safety net which might allow people to succeed one day - they want total destruction of those they think they've "beaten" in the game of life.

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Response to treestar (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:13 PM

16. Naw, they just want cheap labor whenever and wherever they want it.

Simple as that. They WORSHIP money. Truly. It's their god.

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Response to valerief (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:11 PM

22. Yes, having an underclass serves multiple functions for the plutocrats

George Carlin famously pointed out that having an underclass keeps the middle class in line.

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Response to me b zola (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:34 PM

32. That used to be how it worked

The middle class was terrified of falling into the lower class, but they also drooled at what the people at the top had.

In the end, they brought about their own demise- the middle class is now occupied by the people who used to be the upper middle class and the lower upper class, while the middle class has become the wage slaves, living paycheck to paycheck...and the top 5% have been busy little bees, stealing everything.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:03 PM

14. K&R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:14 PM

17. She is an "economic patriot." She is happy to support her country and it's social bones.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:30 PM

18. K&R

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:45 PM

19. Find the graduation speech she gave here (I think @ Harvard) on YouTube.

Amazing. She tells of working at Amnesty International.
Her work with refugees affected her deeply, leading to a visceral knowledge of good and especially evil.
This led to her books.
And she HAS changed the world -- if only for more people reading but still a change.

The more I study the HP series, the more her genius is revealed. Not only is each book a united piece, but the 7 are also united as one. It's BRILLIANT.

And also great fun.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:54 PM

20. we know how she got Wealthy

she actually did some work that people wanted.

people like Romney hwo talk about how they are successful and shit have nothing to show for it. they are usually the type who want to avoid paying taxes and complain about others(people who usually work for a living and keep the world going).

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:01 PM

21. kudos to ms. rowling.

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:40 PM

23. Kick

Because a thread about a writer leads to a lesson on plutocracy. Thank you.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:15 PM

24. K& R

I loves me some J.K. Rowling. This shows that a person can be successful, and responsible as well. Just say NO to greed!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:26 PM

25. Good for her

 

I know if I became wealthy,hit lotto, I would leave the USA and move to a more liberal and progressive nation no matter what the tax rate is.

I would rather pay for a strong social safety net then a large military.

Besides America ain't all that any more.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:44 PM

26. Simply love her. nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 06:33 PM

27. If the USA had fair tax rates, and not the "coddling the rich" tax rate we now have...

... we'd be well rid of any billionaires who left the country.

They'd have to register as foreign agents and we could point and laugh when some pissed off TSA agent directed them to the little back room, put on the rubber gloves, and asked them to take off their clothes.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 09:18 PM

28. Evening Kick !!!

 


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:01 PM

29. Oh yeah....AND SHE'S STILL RICH!

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #29)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:25 PM

30. Hope It Was Ok To Tag Along With Your Original Post...

 

Heard more on TYT Network, and found a way to put it here.




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Response to WillyT (Reply #30)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 10:43 PM

33. I don't mind

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:54 PM

34. Meanwhile, the tories have slammed the door shut on poor expats...

...Who have fallen in love and married/partnered with someone from outside the EU.

Essentially, if you earned less than £18,600 in the previous year (or have savings of less than £60,000+) in the non-EU country you are living in and/or don't have a job that pays the same amount or more waiting for you when you move back to the UK they cannot move back with their spouses/partners.

This means untold numbers of British expats have been forced into exile or seperation from their loved ones since 09/07/12.

All of the above applies to British citizens living in the UK who have non-EU spouses they want to bring home. Apart from the fact they have two choices, stay in the UK sperated from their spouse or move to where their spouse is and be forced into life as an exiled expat.

However, if a (non-British) citizen of the EU marries a non-EU citizen they can waltz straight into the UK with their spouse no questions asked. Plus, they can claim any and all state benifits from the get go, whereas a non-EU spouse of a British citizen cannot claim anything for 5 years.

This basically means EU citizens have more fundamental rights in the UK than British citizens.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:37 AM

35. I worked for a very rich man who had a similar attitude.

One year his tax bill was $2.5 million. When he handed me the check to give to his accountant, he smiled & said, "You might think I'm angry to pay that much, but I'm not. Do you know how much money I made to have a tax bill this high?"

for Rowling!

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