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Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:40 AM

Trump and the MAGA crowd are severely out of touch with average Americans

Earlier in this election, let's say 6 months ago, for the most part I knew that Trump was very likely to lose when all is said and done. Yes, it's not quite over yet but....I think we all know where this is headed. However, a small part of me wondered, what if the MAGA crowd was right? And I think in a way that is something we have all considered. What if the polls are wrong? Maybe people don't care that much about coronavirus? Maybe that bizarre "law and order" bullshit is what Americans are concerned with? At times, I think we have all thought "oh god, what if that does work?". What if that dumb Hunter Biden stuff does affect the polls? What if people do believe it?

This election, far far more so than any other, is an election of dueling realities. On our side, we are saying "covid is real and it's a problem", "the economy is in shambles", "look at what the polls say", etc. And on their side "no one cares about this fake Chinese virus!", "The economy is fine, look at the dow jones", "the polls are all fake, look at 2016!", "People care about crime in cities and Hunter Biden, not fake news lies about Trump!".

The issue is that with the election drawing to a close and the way things are currently playing out, it's starting to come into focus which side was correct all along and it has been us. People do care about COVID. Based on fundraising totals and early voting, the polls do seem to be correct. No one seems to give a shit about "law and order" or some fringe Breitbart stories where Rudy Giuliani hands out child porn and says he got it from Joe Bidens random son that no one has even heard about.

That is why I believe when people look back and study this election, not only will they say "Trump and the Republicans lost badly" but they will say there was a systemic problem on the right in 2020 of the Republicans, particularly Trump and has red hat base, being totally out of touch with what Americans care about. People are going to say "during the worst pandemic in 100 years and the worst economic crash since the great depression, Trump decided to focus his campaign on an exaggerated message of crime in cities and bizarre conspiracy theories about child sex slaves". The view is going to be that Trump and had base got so caught up in their right wing echo chamber that they failed to listen to what the majority of people were saying. And they will say it was to the point where it got so bad that even Republicans were backing the Democratic candidate. People are going to look at videos and articles from Trump and his enablers one day and say "they were living in a totally different universe than everyone else".

The lesson future politicans will take away from 2020 is to take a broad view of the electorate and not to let yourself get caught up in your own media bubble that is increasingly codependent and divorced from reality.

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Reply Trump and the MAGA crowd are severely out of touch with average Americans (Original post)
Dr. Jack Oct 2020 OP
kentuck Oct 2020 #1
Dr. Jack Oct 2020 #3
NRaleighLiberal Oct 2020 #2
Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #4
bdamomma Oct 2020 #5
Dr. Jack Oct 2020 #7
bdamomma Oct 2020 #9
Dr. Jack Oct 2020 #6
brush Oct 2020 #8

Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:49 AM

1. We tend to assume that the "rallies" define his support across the Republican Party.

I'm not sure that is the case?

If he has 20 rallies, averaging 10,000 MAGAts, that would only equal 200,000 voters. It is difficult to surmise that 200,000 people speak for a Party of 60,000,000.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:03 AM

3. I do know a few hardcore Republicans that hate Trump

I have a few relatives that have been hardcore, extremely reliable Republican voters for decades. I know one who completely changed his political ideology after Trump was elected from actually volunteering to help Republicans get elected to becoming a very liberal democrat. Two others haven't changed their viewpoints but are just not voting this year. They voted for trump in 2016 and by 2017, absolutely regretted it. Maybe just anecdotal evidence but I suspect there are quite a few Republicans and conservatives who think Trump is out of his fucking mind.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:01 AM

2. authoritarians and cults don't care.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:04 AM

4. REpublicans gave up any semblance of caring about what the "public" cares years ago...

Remember the 2012 "Autopsy?" Supposedly they needed to listen to the needs of people of color and expand their base to ensure election success? Instead they doubled down on racism and athoritarianism.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:10 AM

5. They certainly

were when we got the House. Trump is not aware of the majority of Americans needs. He lives in his own delusional head.

For example, this profound thought of his "different places are different" I mean WTF!!! is that.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:15 AM

7. Remember "Red Wave 2018" and the "caravan!"?

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Response to Dr. Jack (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:57 AM

9. so let them

stay delusional, but COVID is real and it's killing people. tRump just does not care about anything but himself.

VOTE that is our plan A, plan B TBD.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:12 AM

6. I decided to take a look at right wing discussion forums today

I do that every now and then. They can be fascinating to observe as long as you can not get emotional. I haven't checked them out in a few days. They are still all rambling about "Hunter Biden!" and talking about how Trump is going to win states like California and New York next week. It has reached the point where I can confidently say the right wing has lost their collective minds and are delusional.

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Response to Dr. Jack (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:58 AM

8. If they think trump is going to win NY and California they are...

absolutely nuts.

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