Mon Oct 26, 2020, 09:57 PM

Stuart G (30,191 posts)

Breaking the rules...Ok, They will get what they have sown.

..Our side will show them how rules can be broken. If we get a strong majority, then we will increase the size of the court. That will be an ugly, mean, and vicious fight but it will happen. Other fights will make this one look quite ordinary.

So we must get out and vote and get that strong majority in the Senate.
As someone pointed out..."The fight has just begun." And Yes,..."It has just begun."

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Breaking the rules...Ok, They will get what they have sown. (Original post)	Stuart G	Oct 2020	OP
The 🔑 is KILLING THE FILIBUSTER.	roamer65	Oct 2020	#1
Whatever needs to be done, Shumer & Pelosi will do it.	Stuart G	Oct 2020	#2
Yes! They will absolutely do whatever it takes..we must show strong support them	Thekaspervote	Oct 2020	#6
I wish we hadn't killed the filibuster on judges, we wouldn't be in the shit we are now.	Groundhawg	Oct 2020	#3
The filibuster was brought in to appease slave states in pre Civil War years.	roamer65	Oct 2020	#4
you realize the filibuster i'm talking about has already went years ago right?	Groundhawg	Oct 2020	#7
I do.	roamer65	Oct 2020	#8
It isn't gone completely. Sections have been carved out.	Statistical	Oct 2020	#10
Plus...you do realize that McConnell would have changed filibuster rules to railroad ACB through.	roamer65	Oct 2020	#5
Really? You think Republicans wouldn't have killed it on Supreme Court judges anyways	Statistical	Oct 2020	#9
Now we play by Mitch's rules. Brass knuckles. We must smash and grab to restore the nation.	lagomorph777	Oct 2020	#12
Yes, but if they go ahead and do that, they have to have a legislative steamroller to push	OnDoutside	Oct 2020	#14
I'll believe it when I see it.	WhiskeyGrinder	Oct 2020	#11
You will see it soon. Within the next few months. Payback will be amazing.	Stuart G	Oct 2020	#13

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:08 PM

roamer65 (26,109 posts)

1. The 🔑 is KILLING THE FILIBUSTER.

Getting rid of completely makes the world possible with a Dem House, Senate and President.

If the American people give us all three, it is a mandate for real change.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:11 PM

Stuart G (30,191 posts)

2. Whatever needs to be done, Shumer & Pelosi will do it.

...As I said.."It has just begun."

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:50 PM

Thekaspervote (18,584 posts)

6. Yes! They will absolutely do whatever it takes..we must show strong support them

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:13 PM

Groundhawg (68 posts)

3. I wish we hadn't killed the filibuster on judges, we wouldn't be in the shit we are now.

We have no choice now but to rebalance the court.

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Response to Groundhawg (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:17 PM

roamer65 (26,109 posts)

4. The filibuster was brought in to appease slave states in pre Civil War years.

It needs to go.

It will also blunt the influence of taker red states.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 06:34 AM

Groundhawg (68 posts)

7. you realize the filibuster i'm talking about has already went years ago right?

I said they could not have voted in Amy with a simple majority if we hadn't gotten rid of the filibuster already.
Now that that is done, we have no choice but to get rid of the rest of them.

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Response to Groundhawg (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:29 AM

roamer65 (26,109 posts)

8. I do.

I want it completely eliminated.

GONE.

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Response to Groundhawg (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:34 AM

Statistical (19,264 posts)

10. It isn't gone completely. Sections have been carved out.

To be clear though it wasn't Democrats it was Republicans in 2017 which carved out an exception for Supreme Court justices.

Why do you think Republicans would leave it in place to block themselves? Do you really think that. Moscow Mitch was going to just rollover and say I can remove the rule on Supreme Court justices and get a Supreme Court justice but nope I won't do that. So why didn't he do that?

It never served any purpose other than to block Democrats who clutch at pearls not wanting to change things. The cloture vote requires 60 votes BUT at any point it can be changed for any reason with 50 votes. It was a tissue paper wall. Republicans routinely watered it down (like removing it on Supreme Court justices in 2017) when they needed to.

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Response to Groundhawg (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:18 PM

roamer65 (26,109 posts)

5. Plus...you do realize that McConnell would have changed filibuster rules to railroad ACB through.

Right?

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Response to Groundhawg (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:32 AM

Statistical (19,264 posts)

9. Really? You think Republicans wouldn't have killed it on Supreme Court judges anyways

Republicans DO WHAT THEY CAN. If they have power and the letter of the law allows them to do something they do it.

Did the letter of the law allow Mitch to block Garland? Yes and he did it in 2016.
Did the letter of the law allow Mitch to remove the cloture (filibuster) vote on Supreme Court justices? Yes and he did it in 2017.
Did the letter of the law allow Mitch to railroad Amy? Yes and he did it in 2020.

Seeing a pattern.

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Response to Statistical (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:42 AM

lagomorph777 (22,205 posts)

12. Now we play by Mitch's rules. Brass knuckles. We must smash and grab to restore the nation.

And I am not saying that sarcastically. We are at war. We fight it like a war or America is dead.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:38 AM

OnDoutside (17,228 posts)

14. Yes, but if they go ahead and do that, they have to have a legislative steamroller to push

fundamental change through, and come down on any wavering Dem, nervous about 2022. People need to understand the consequences. If the American people see the change happening that they have been crying out for, it will benefit Democrats in 22, and beyond.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:38 AM

WhiskeyGrinder (11,681 posts)

11. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:07 AM

Stuart G (30,191 posts)

13. You will see it soon. Within the next few months. Payback will be amazing.

Pelosi and Schumer will not be kind. What McConnell did to get this court appointee on the Supreme Court will be the key. He went around the rules to get it done immediately...

...It was done. Payback will be amazing. I think we will all be surprised.

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