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Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:21 PM

I'm 54, And See Myself In Another Country Within Next 10 Years

I think we are slowing witnessing the end of the "experiment."

Once it's gone, it won't be back in my lifetime.

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Reply I'm 54, And See Myself In Another Country Within Next 10 Years (Original post)
sfstaxprep Oct 26 OP
Binkie The Clown Oct 26 #1
LakeArenal Oct 26 #2
LSparkle Oct 26 #11
Skittles Oct 26 #3
bdamomma Oct 26 #4
Ohio Joe Oct 27 #26
Pobeka Oct 26 #5
SlogginThroughIt Oct 27 #48
Freddie Oct 26 #6
Silent3 Oct 26 #7
sfstaxprep Oct 26 #8
Silent3 Oct 26 #13
LakeArenal Oct 26 #15
elevator Oct 27 #49
KY_EnviroGuy Oct 26 #9
LSparkle Oct 26 #10
roamer65 Oct 26 #12
Marius25 Oct 26 #14
CozyMystery Oct 26 #16
Buckeyeblue Oct 26 #17
Celerity Oct 26 #18
JanMichael Oct 26 #21
Celerity Oct 26 #22
JanMichael Oct 27 #23
Celerity Oct 27 #25
bdamomma Oct 27 #45
Celerity Oct 27 #46
Demsrule86 Oct 27 #32
Celerity Oct 27 #33
TeamPooka Oct 26 #19
AnnieBW Oct 26 #20
Celerity Oct 27 #28
cwydro Oct 27 #34
Celerity Oct 27 #35
cwydro Oct 27 #37
Celerity Oct 27 #38
cwydro Oct 27 #39
Celerity Oct 27 #41
cwydro Oct 27 #44
Celerity Oct 27 #47
cwydro Oct 27 #50
Celerity Oct 27 #54
AnnieBW Nov 11 #58
Celerity Nov 12 #59
AnnieBW Nov 12 #60
Celerity Nov 12 #61
JI7 Oct 27 #24
panader0 Oct 27 #27
appalachiablue Oct 27 #56
aidbo Oct 27 #29
cagefreesoylentgreen Oct 27 #30
Demsrule86 Oct 27 #31
Thyla Oct 27 #36
brooklynite Oct 27 #40
marie999 Oct 27 #42
maxsolomon Oct 27 #43
Kaleva Oct 27 #51
maxsolomon Oct 27 #52
Kaleva Oct 27 #53
littlemissmartypants Oct 27 #55
GulfCoast66 Oct 27 #57

Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:24 PM

1. At my age I doubt I have 10 years, so I'll ride it out. nt

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:24 PM

2. It can't come back. But I believe it will get better.

Having said that, I moved to Costa Rica Sept 1, 2019. We canít believe how lucky we are to get here, settled and feeling at home before Covid.

Our quarantine is heaven compared to most anyone.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:47 PM

11. Wow -- see my response below. Hope to join you!!

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:27 PM

3. I wil never abandon my country

I will stay and FIGHT.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:28 PM

4. nt

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Response to Skittles (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:40 AM

26. Agreed...

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:29 PM

5. 1. I have children here. 2. This country can destroy the entire world.

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I'm staying to fight, for me, fleeing to another country is the wrong thing to do.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:34 PM

48. I have kids and see no reason to put them through this.

They don't deserve to have to fight for a lie that we never were. The truth is that we have always been a cruel country that has gotten rich on the slave labor of others or the paltry wages that we pay people. It is disgusting. As a white man I feel that the white American male is still the single biggest obstacle holding ur country back, and is the biggest threat to the world.

My kids don't deserve to be told a fairy tale that will never come to life. If we don't start turning this around in the next year I am out and it will be to give my kids a much happier child hood and a chance at a decent life.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:30 PM

6. I'm 10 years older than you

No other country will let me in, Iím stuck here. I was always hoping there would be a better world for my grandchildren (especially the girls) but now Iím not so sure. Entrenching their fuckery in the SC has me feeling like 11/9/16 right now.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:31 PM

7. It's tough to find another country that will take you in at your age (or older)...

...and then give you their socialized benefits when you've being paying your taxes to another country most of your life.

Unless you leave soon, and bring sought-after skills with you, the options for where you can go that will also be an improvement over the US are limited.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:35 PM

8. There May Be No "Socialized Benefits" Here

I won't be missing anything in another country that doesn't offer me these benefits, if the benefits don't exist anymore in the U.S.

What we see now, may be much different in 10 years. We're going backwards, not standing in place or moving forward.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:49 PM

13. The problem is, if you're there, they'll be obligated to provide for you

So rather than let that obligation befall them, they just won't let you stay in the country in the first place.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:50 PM

15. If we are accepted for residency, we will have socialized medicine.

I can quit paying into Medicare that we cant use here.

Itís a great place to retire.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:37 PM

49. My wife and I moved to beautiful lake Chapala Mexico

six years ago. We have no children, so it was an easier decision for us than many others. Great medical care is available here and we pay out of pocket for most stuff. My dentist and eye doctor's offices look like the inside of a ufo. The equipment is more modern than any my Dr's had in the US. Our SS checks are deposited into our US accounts and we transfer what we wish. I keep my medicare in case I have a serious problem for which I would return to the US. We love the United States and just voted last week by mail. But, we love our life here. The Mexican people are wonderful and the weather where we live is incredible.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:37 PM

9. If the global right-wing cancer is not stopped soon,

there may not be any place left to run to considering.....

* millions like you will have the same idea and chose the same escape and...

* climate change will likely change the entire landscape of the human and physical world so that many refuges won't be nice places anymore. Our fresh water supplies are already endangered.

We truly need a global effort to stop the right-wing from progressing further....

KY.......

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:45 PM

10. I'm 62 and with you ...

I was going to work until 67 but canít see myself doing that if Anusmouth is re-elected. God willing Iíll be in Costa Rica within the next couple of years.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:49 PM

12. You may not have to move to change countries.

Separatism and secession are on the table if Dump steals the election.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:49 PM

14. I'm in my 30s and I'm looking for a new country now.

Sadly, Israel is the only option I legitimately have right now. My mom is so depressed she wants to leave ASAP. She's trying to figure out how to move to Europe since Canada won't take us.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 08:58 PM

16. I've asked my 4 adult kids to prepare themselves

with good credentials so they can move to another country if need be. If Biden wins, at least they will be prepared to add value to another country if the 2022 and 2024 elections ruin everything.

One of them speaks German fluently. One speaks Old English fluently, but he'd need a time machine to use that. He is working on German.

Why German? Because my mom was a 1st generation immigrant from Leipzig. Unfortunately, that doesn't benefit us because she falls into a year in which she married an American. The kids have to have a German man for a father.

We do have relatives in Germany, but I don't know if that will help. They like plenty of other countries, too, and they agree with me, so hopefully they will all do something to allow them to leave the US if things fall into hell again.

I think Joe will win. Then again, we all voted for Hillary and were in shock when tRump won. Hope springs eternal, because this time really is different. We are all (except for my husband, from whom I am separated) voting for Joe.

In chemo today, I overheard a R patient tell her nurse she was voting for Biden. I am pretty sure the RN is a R. When the R patient talked about the importance of wearing masks in public, the RN said she wished she could remember to do that.

Now how can an oncology RN not remember to wear a mask? She wears one at work and could easily (common sense, too), keep a box of masks in her car. We keep them in our houses and in our cars.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 09:02 PM

17. I think this will force Democrats to legislate better

We probably should have passed a strong federal women's reproductive rights bill in Obama's first term. We could do that this time if Biden wins and we take the Senate. We pass racial justice reforms. And marriage equality.

We need to stop worrying about taking a stand that might motivate some of our opponents. We should be proud and bold to state what we believe.

Remember, we could have a 5-4 majority sooner than you think. Not everyone lives to be old. Not everyone wants to grow old on the SC.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 09:08 PM

18. I have been wavering on renouncing for the last 4 years, but decided to stay a citizen

to vote out Trump. After the (no matter what the result) I am 99% likely to renounce. I will double-taxed (I make that much income now, and the double taxation scheme has nothing to do with Trump, and it will not change under Biden or any other POTUS down the road, and I will be fucked if I help fund endless empiric wars and parts of the government that want to eradicate people like me ) and now (as I do NOT see the SCOTUS being expanded, too many Dems have said they are against it in the Senate) I fear if I did ever come back, it would be to a nation that no longer recognises my marriage, plus dog knows whatever additional civil rights rollbacks (I am the trifecta, a mixed race partially black cis gendered female married lesbian.)

I loved my couple of years in Los Angeles a few years ago, but the quality of life here (Sweden and before that, the UK, where I was raised) is overall just better for what we want out of life. The percentage of violent, radical, hateful, ignorant, racist, misogynistic, homophobic people is staggeringly higher in the US than over here. I inherited a wickedly bad temper from mummy (she is Bajan, my father Swedish) and my mouth or actions in a bad confrontation with a rando MAGAt type might end up with me and/or wifey shot or beat senseless. It just is not shaping up to be worth the hassle.

Maybe I will have a change of heart, but I seriously doubt it. Time will tell.



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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:05 PM

21. How is that herd immunity thing going? nt

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:30 PM

22. I would not know, I live in Sweden, where we never went for herd immunity, unlike some of the states

apparently in the US.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:36 AM

25. A herd immunity approach was never implemented, so it is a non starter.

You need to worry about the US, not us. If you want to get into a comparative statistical quality of society, economics, healthcare, etc. game (far beyond just COVID-19, and even on COVID-19 the US is worse than Sweden, we have been dropping down the world rankings for months in the key negative stats) then we can play that. You will not like the outcome.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:19 PM

45. herd immunity

is called "a massacre" and it's inhuman 2 million Americans will have to perish.

tRump committing CRIMES OF HUMANITY.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #45)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:25 PM

46. I agree nt

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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:14 PM

32. No offence but Sweden would be the last place I considered as a permanent...home; their

herd immunity experiment killed many seniors (and others); their economy doesn't seem particularly robust after all that what I consider state sanctioned murder...I will never feel the same about Sweden again.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:24 PM

33. there was no herd immunity experiment, stop posting disinfo, this is not the first time you have

done this in regards to Sweden. I have thoroughly debunked this on a multiplicity of occasions with meticulously document long posts for ages here. It is a really bad look to keep posting tosh.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 09:52 PM

19. I do tend to watch those House Hunter International type shows like I'm making a shopping list

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2020, 10:01 PM

20. I'm 55, and strongly considering it.

Unfortunately, nobody will let in Americans.

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:49 AM

28. Many places will, you just have to meet certain requirements.

I have posted on multiple places and how to start the process over my time here at DU. I fully admit that it is not easy, and COVID-19 is deffo, atm, a spanner in the works, but there are many options out there.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:25 PM

34. I have a dual citizenship, thank god.

Iíve been planning to leave for quite some time, then Covid put a hitch in my plans.

Iíll wait until after the election to decide further.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:29 PM

35. what other nation, if you do not mind me asking?

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Response to Celerity (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:08 PM

37. My parents were both British.

All my remaining relatives are in Wales.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:34 PM

38. nice, although thanks to Brexit, a UK passport no longer opens up the whole of the EU

thanks for the reply

cheers

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Response to Celerity (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:36 PM

39. I know, and that's a damn shame.

But Iíve seen some of Europe, though Iíd like to see more.

I just want to get to Wales.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:07 PM

41. 'I just want to get to Wales.'

Not something I have heard much i my life, lol (I am a London girl)

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Response to Celerity (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:11 PM

44. My da was from London.

A boy from Fulham. Before Fulham was cool.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #44)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:29 PM

47. I grew up right off Fulham Road, in South Kensington

small world

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Response to Celerity (Reply #47)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:37 PM

50. He grew up in the Lewis Trust Buildings

Council houses of the day. His dad was a bus conductor.

He remembered the Blitz, but only talked of it when we pressed him. Looking back now, i think he must have been terrified. Born in 29, so the war was very real to him.

Mom was older, born in 26, in Wales during the war, and told us endless stories. She never minded talking of it, but I can only imagine the terror of London when he was in his young teens.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:04 PM

54. wow, SO close

I lived in Onslow Square, the other side of Fulham Road. I cannot even fathom what the Blitz must have been like. I have had many older folk describe the utter horror, especially the WAIT, after the alarms went off. I have no long standing close ties to the UK, my parents came as students in the late, late 80's and very early 1990's, although my grandfather on my father's side (farfar in Swedish) lived in the UK for awhile before going back to Sweden eventually (mostly, he did keep a house up north, outside of Cambridge, which my father lived in for several years whilst reading for a degree at Trinity College, the same Cambridge constituent college his father went to.) Mummy's family is from Barbados and I do have a few distant relatives up in the Midlands, but none came to the UK before the 1960's.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 11, 2020, 11:00 AM

58. Considering Croatia or Greece

Possibly one of the Caribbean islands.

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 08:42 PM

59. different poster, I was talking to someone else, not the OP

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Response to Celerity (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:11 PM

60. Sorry.

Kind of got lost in the thread.

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:20 PM

61. no problem!

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:25 AM

24. Do you have enough Money ? Where are you going to go with Covid making things even more difficult ?

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:44 AM

27. Don't be a quitter. Work to make your country better.

Which country do you plan on? Every country has issues--there is no Eden.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:07 PM

29. How nice for you.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:10 PM

30. Which country do you think will want you?

I think Americans are about to discover being an American doesnít entitle them to any special treatment. I would not be surprised to see Americans being treated by other countries the same way refugees have been treated in this country for the last four years.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 12:11 PM

31. Happy Travels...thanks for sharing.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 01:00 PM

36. Even when times are good

Living overseas can be an enlightening thing. If you can do it and want to then jump at the opportunity to do so.
You may just like it better but if not you can always head back.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 03:38 PM

40. So, long then. No need to hang around.

The number of people who appear to be giving up because "the Supreme Court can do anything" is beyond tiresome.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:15 PM

42. My husband and I are thinking of moving.

Not out of the country but into the mountains.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 05:23 PM

43. At your age, you're not going anywhere without a million bucks in the bank.

My wife (born in Canada) keeps saying we're going. It's taken her 10 years just to get her birth certificate from Montreal.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:38 PM

51. Many 3rd world countries are affordable even for those living on SS

However, life there may make one think that moving to Alabama would be a major upgrade.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #51)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:51 PM

52. I have a retired colleague

Who lives in Portugal. Loves it.

But he's originally S. African.

I still think you need a million bucks.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #52)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 07:57 PM

53. I could live in Panama on the $1300 a month I get for SS and VA

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 08:07 PM

55. What is that old saying?

Something about not being hit by a door on the way out? Is that it?

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Response to sfstaxprep (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:08 PM

57. Fuck that! Not you, by any means. To each his own.

Both my family and the wifeís fought in the Revolutionary War. Her family had a civil war hero on the Union Side from Indiana. Wounded at Shiloh and Chattanooga. Lived into the 1900ís. Kicked my traitor familyís ass.

Iíve been to Europe 10 times. Would love to spend a month in France every year. But immigrate? No way.

Our History in Europe is 350 years removed. Iím an American to my core.

I choose to stay and fight.

Plus, I canít be more than an hour from the Gulf of Mexico!

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