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Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:56 PM

For all those pundits stuck in the 1990s and making claims today like, "Biden just lost PA"...



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For all those pundits stuck in the 1990s and making claims today like, "Biden just lost PA" because he pledged to transition the US to 100% clean energy - here are some inconvenient facts from a poll of registered voters in PA we conducted in Sept:
3:19 PM · Oct 23, 2020


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For all those pundits stuck in the 1990s and making claims today like, "Biden just lost PA" because he pledged to transition the US to 100% clean energy - here are some inconvenient facts from a poll of registered voters in PA we conducted in Sept:

1) "The primary goal of PA's energy policy should be to generate 100% of its electricity from clean energy sources, like solar and wind."

66% Agree
27% Disagree
7% Not sure

2) "Generally speaking, which do you think is more likely to produce a greater number of good jobs for Pennsylvanians?"

48% Increasing production of renewable energy such as wind and solar
30% Increasing production of fossil fuels such as gas through fracking
22% Not sure

3) "If the federal government doesn't regulate methane emissions from Pennsylvania's natural gas industry, the PA state government should enact stronger methane emission regulations."

76% Agree
24% Disagree

4) "Do you think the PA state government is doing too much, the right amount, or not enough to...protect Pennsylvanians against pollution from hydraulic fracturing, or fracking?"

46% Not enough
44% The right amount
10% Too much

5) "Do you support or oppose...providing govt assistance, including job training and guaranteed wages, to workers who lose jobs in the coal and natural gas industries as a result of transitioning the state to renewable energy...?"

78% Support
11% Oppose
11% Not sure

6) "Do you support or oppose investing in a jobs program [for] unemployed oil and gas workers to safely close down tens of thousands of abandoned oil and gas wells across the country, which are a source of water and methane pollution?"

74% Support
16% Oppose
10% Not sure
It's 2020 folks. Those old narratives are wearing thin.

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@MaibachEd @ClimateNexus @YaleClimateComm @jamieclimate @markhertsgaard @AlexCKaufman


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Reply For all those pundits stuck in the 1990s and making claims today like, "Biden just lost PA"... (Original post)
Nevilledog Oct 24 OP
Cirque du So-What Oct 24 #1
Walleye Oct 24 #2
Claustrum Oct 24 #4
Walleye Oct 24 #5
DeminPennswoods Oct 24 #3
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 24 #6
paleotn Oct 24 #10
bucolic_frolic Oct 24 #7
RainCaster Oct 24 #8
calimary Oct 25 #17
Sucha NastyWoman Oct 24 #9
niyad Oct 24 #12
Mr. Ected Oct 24 #11
soldierant Oct 24 #13
yaesu Oct 24 #14
BannonsLiver Oct 24 #15
Awsi Dooger Oct 24 #16
Dirty Socialist Oct 25 #18
Dirty Socialist Oct 25 #19

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:59 PM

1. And therein lies a primary reason why I don't watch talking-head teevee

It’s enough to drive the susceptible among us to distraction.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:00 PM

2. Trump glommed onto that like a man drowning.

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Response to Walleye (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:03 PM

4. That was a clear strategy from his team.

It's the same playbook as 2016 when Hillary made the coal comment. As far as the actual impact of what Biden said, I would wait to see if it has any. In the crazy world of Trump and his usual non-stop news cycle, I don't think anything stick at this point, whether it's bad news for Trump or Biden. People made up their minds long ago.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:05 PM

5. Agree

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:01 PM

3. The grumpy blue collar white guys

who love their fracking jobs we get to see regularly in Biden negative ads here in western PA being run by a pro-Trump PAC were never going to vote for Biden or any other Dem.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:11 PM

6. Exactly what I was thinking.

Thanks for the verification.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:47 PM

10. Bingo.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:14 PM

7. At this point in time, money is free, so let's do all we can

It will help ordinary people, and if it blows up the currency with inflation it will be Republicans' money that's worth less. We don't have any.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:29 PM

8. When will they learn? Not Nov 4

It will take a lot of post mortem meetings in the GOP to understand where they went wrong. I can't see them coming to the correct conclusion until at least 3 more elections have occurred.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 25, 2020, 12:32 PM

17. Especially when that old dynamic remains in play:

NOBODY wants to admit they were wrong.

NOBODY wants to admit they were wrong - or, especially in cases like this one - that they've been ROYALLY HAD.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 03:37 PM

9. Most energy companies And their employees aren't opposed to transitioning way from fossil fuels

They just want to make sure they have a big piece of whatever replaces it.

(Exxon is an exception)

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Response to Sucha NastyWoman (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 04:33 PM

12. I think about BP advertising itself now as transitioning to renewables.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 04:31 PM

11. When the free press is just calling it in

Or, worse yet, promoting disinformation, it undermines more than anything else the integrity of the Constitution and the democratic republic itself. Simply stated, without a magnetic North indicating fact, we are doomed as a nation in the Information Era.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 04:57 PM

13. transitioning to green energy will create a pantsload of new jobs.

Far more jobs than people still stuck in the fossil fuel indistry can possibly fill, even if there is a 100% transition rate.

Any anyone still stuck in the fossil fuel industry who cannot or will not transition will be a victim of his or her own choices.

The "party of personal responsibility" most certainly does not want to hear then!

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 04:58 PM

14. With our entire Democracy at stake no one is going to give a rats ass about a few oil derricks

its like worrying about the port window curtains on a sinking ship.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 05:31 PM

15. Fracking isn't profitable right now anyway.

Because natural gas prices are severely depressed. The fracking operations in PA aren’t PA owned companies. They’re opened by companies in my backyard, many of which are in bankruptcy or teetering on the brink of it.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:42 PM

16. This is good to hear

 

I got nervous when Biden launched that theme. I was envisioning swing votes changing. But from afar it is difficult/impossible to gauge public opinion on a topic like this.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2020, 12:48 PM

18. I don't think we will do away w/oil completely

We still need them for plastics. We could do away from most of it, but not all of it.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2020, 12:49 PM

19. I'm not a fracking fan

Fracking has always been on shaky ground with me

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