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Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:09 PM

Question about black men voting habits.

I was listening to some tv pundits and pollsters today.
They were saying that black male turnout could be the key to this election in some states.
They said that black females will turn out in huge numbers.
But they said that black males are currently on track for just average turnout.
The reason they gave was that Biden doesn’t inspire black males.
They said that few black males will vote for Trump but many just won’t vote.

Trump got 14% of black male vote in 2016.
Hopefully, it will be much less in 2020.
I just don’t understand how any person of color can vote for such a vile racist.

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Reply Question about black men voting habits. (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 OP
marble falls Oct 21 #1
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #3
PTWB Oct 21 #2
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #4
PTWB Oct 21 #6
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #8
PTWB Oct 21 #10
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #14
uponit7771 Oct 21 #16
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #18
jpak Oct 21 #5
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #7
jpak Oct 21 #9
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #11
whathehell Oct 21 #26
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #12
LanternWaste Oct 21 #13
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #17
LanternWaste Oct 21 #25
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #27
uponit7771 Oct 21 #15
OneBro Oct 21 #19
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #21
tavernier Oct 21 #20
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #22
UnderThisLaw Oct 21 #23
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #24
cwydro Oct 21 #28
Funtatlaguy Oct 21 #30
cwydro Oct 21 #32
BusyBeingBest Oct 21 #29
OneBro Oct 22 #33
spicysista Oct 21 #31
KentuckyWoman Oct 22 #34

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:11 PM

1. Jebus.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:12 PM

3. You don't agree with the premise?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:12 PM

2. Oh my...

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Response to PTWB (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:14 PM

4. Why the outrage? Please explain.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:15 PM

6. Your post comes across as racially insensitive... tone deaf... to put it mildly.

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Response to PTWB (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:16 PM

8. Quoting pundits?

Saying black men need to turn out more for us to win than they did in 2016.
That’s not racist.
That’s true.
We need huge turnout from our base, of which black men belong to.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:19 PM

10. I'm sure black women will appreciate you telling them what they "need to do"

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Response to PTWB (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:22 PM

14. Dear Lord. That's not what I said. I give up. I'm a terrible Democrat.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:24 PM

16. No you're not, the question is awkward because of the onus placed on women (they're not our mothers)

... but is well taken seeing the drive towards black males.

I answered your question at bottom

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:30 PM

18. I will edit the post.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:14 PM

5. Very nice

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:16 PM

7. Last time I will ask, why is this funny.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:17 PM

9. Because you have hand party with Pam Ella

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:19 PM

11. I don't know who that is.

I’m a blue dog Dem that works for all Dems and always has.
I study demographic patterns and polls and found what I heard this morning interesting.

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:43 PM

26. Why should we be afraid to ask each other questions?

It's how we learn about each other.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:21 PM

12. I, in no way, meant to insult anyone. Mods please remove post if it did.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:21 PM

13. Have you tried any research and analysis at all beyond "some tv pundits and pollsters"?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:42 PM

25. I'm referring to research and analysis to answer your own question, Professor.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:45 PM

27. Not a professor but there are lots of articles on subject.

I just included one in the post with two sites.
Biden needs to reach out more to black males.
The “pundits” on tv were saying that Obama could help with this in the closing two days.
I am very hopeful that they will.
We also need more turnout from all of our base.
We must not just beat Trump but humiliate him.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:22 PM

15. My nephew is on facebook his sister 2 yrs older is on MSNBC, FAUX and CNN. I don't think they're ...

... reaching young black and Hispanic men were they are out outside of YouTube.

Facebook is a big gating factor in young voting from what I've observed

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:34 PM

19. I appreciate your question.

Not because it's a good question, but I assume you are asking in good faith, and I assume you really are an "ole white man" who is no more and no less racist than anyone raised in America. With that in mind . . .

I would not assume black women can explain why some black men don't vote for the same reason that I would not assume that 9 individual black men who don't vote could then explain why the 10th black man doesn't vote. The internet is awash with black people explaining why they don't vote. Most of the explanations leave me scratching my head, angry, shaking my head, stupefied, or a combination thereof. Of course, one must ALWAYS question whether the self-described black person on the internet is actually black, American, or over the age of 9.

As a general rule, pundits/talking heads and pollsters can only tell you what someone else supposedly told them.

Finally, consider this: Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas are the only two black men who have ever been on the US Supreme Court. One was a towering warrior for civil rights and human dignity, the other is effectively Mitch McConnell in a robe.

I appreciate your question because it's always risky - particularly for a white person - to ask about anything related to race. I don't think we can get over race until we are free to ask risky questions, so long as those questions are made in good faith.

Be well.
OneBro

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Response to OneBro (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:39 PM

21. Thanks. I changed the OP because I didn't want people to think

that I think it’s black Womens responsibility’s to get black men to vote.
As a white guy, I’m just trying to understand why any person of color, man or woman, could ever vote for someone as openly racist as Trump.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:37 PM

20. I understand your concern

But I think your post should be addressed to black men and not their spouses. Perhaps they can give us a better understanding of their position.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:39 PM

22. I agree. I changed it.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:40 PM

23. You know what I heard on TV?

That older black ladies make the best iced tea

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Response to UnderThisLaw (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:42 PM

24. Nope. Popeyes has the best sweet tea ever. I love sweet tea.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:49 PM

28. How many voted for Obama? Either time?

I’d be interested in the answer to that question too.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:59 PM

30. I couldn't find black sex breakdown but found overall black vote.

Obama got 95% in 2008 and 93% in 2012 of overall black vote.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #30)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:11 PM

32. Thanks!

I know black women turned out for that vote. Just have never seen any stats on black men.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 06:59 PM

29. I do not understand what is going on with younger African Americans

and the fact that some of them do apparently support Trump. I saw it on 538 and couldn't believe it. Trump is bleeding white support compared to 2016--why would he be GAINING black support in 2020, at least among younger blacks? This, during one of the most awful race-relations years in decades (and he's on the white supremacy side!), and during a "let it wash over them" pandemic response that is hitting black people especially hard. It makes zero sense to me.

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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:05 AM

33. My guess.

America intentionally does not teach critical thinking or comprehensive, honest history. Combine that with entertainment “journalism,” and you end up with people unwittingly yet proudly voting against their best interests.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2020, 07:10 PM

31. I have no answers for you, my friend. I do have some thoughts....

My experiences with black men and politics are pretty limited. My family is very liberal. Even the evangelicals among us (men and women) usually vote democratic with few exceptions.
There are deeper conversations to be had concerning the "hotep" mentality among a small percentage of black men. These are men who seek to take their "rightful places" among white men in patriarchal brotherhood. It may have something to do with their tolerance of dolt45. But again, we are talking about a tiny percentage of black men.
I don't have any concrete answers for you, but I do have some articles for you to consider.

https://thegrio.com/2020/10/15/trump-campaign-targeting-black-male-voters/
From the article:

This push to attract Black male support is connected to two important political historical moments that point to how conservative beliefs among Blacks are ripe for exploitation by the right. One from the distant past and one more recent.

In Reconstruction, the 15th Amendment extended voting rights to Black men, but all women remained disenfranchised. Legally, Black men entered voting booths to register their political preferences. In actuality, that vote was viewed as a proxy for the entire community.

Historian, Elsa Barkley Brown, explains that many decisions were made communally. Public meetings were held where men, women and children participated with the understanding that Black men would represent those views on their ballot. Additionally, as Black men were harassed, beaten and killed by white mobs, Black women served as their armed escorts to the polls.

When Reconstruction ended and African American male suffrage greatly diminished, Barkley Brown found that Black men began to exclude Black women from power in the community. The loss of leadership opportunities in the public domain led Black men to support more conservative gender roles in the private domain.


When they could no longer hold office, be party leaders or govern — all spaces where women were barred — men replicated their male-dominated leadership experience within the Black community by attempting to exclude women from any institutional authority.


https://www.theroot.com/why-a-black-person-would-support-trump-explained-1790854765
From the article:

That’s … interesting. Can you explain why they’d 1) support a person like this and 2) be willing to actually go on national TV to articulate this support?
Sure! It actually harks back to the civil rights movement. The abolition of slavery, too.

Really? How so?

Well, all of those measures—slavery ending, racial discrimination becoming illegal, etc.—are based on one indisputable fact that, unfortunately, is still considered by some to be a disputable fact: We (black people) are human beings with just as much right to our humanity and everything that entails as everyone else.
We can be smart. We can be talented. We can be creative. We can be—and are—anything any other human can be.

This also means we can also be idiots. We can be dumber than a bag of the world’s dumbest rocks. True equality means that we have equal opportunity to be the dumbest motherf—kers who ever lived, too. And the black Trump supporters are just us exercising our basic human rights.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-what-trumps-black-male-supporters-say-they-see-in-him
From the article:
The president, he says, presents an aura of strength that’s more important than the shortcomings his critics focus on.
“He does know how to make money,” says Grant. “He’s not an honest man and he’s not too bright, but he don’t give a fuck. You know what I’m saying? He’s not the most well-spoken but he stands his ground—and that’s part of being a man. He can do that very well.”




I don't think dolt45 will get the same level of support from black men this time. I am not an expert on the topic. At all. I am, however, a black lady.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Thu Oct 22, 2020, 12:07 AM

34. I just ... can't

You should really delete your post.

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