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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:17 AM Oct 2020

"It wasn't just tears, it was screams."

"The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever."

1/ "It wasn't just tears, it was screams." Here's a piece I think about a lot. A caseworker told me about breaking the news to separated kids that their parents had been deported without them and couldn't be found.

Many of the parents of children on her caseload ended up being deported, ending any hope of a quick reunion. When that happened, she would meet with her fellow caseworkers and staff therapists, sometimes for hours, to discuss how to break the news to the child. They used pictures and puppets to illustrate the distance between the United States and countries like Guatemala. And they spoke in intentionally vague terms to avoid making false promises about when the children might be able to see their parents again, after learning the hard way that even those who were barely old enough to talk would latch on to any concrete expectation.

“We would have to say, ‘In many, many days you will be reunited with your parent, but we have to do a lot of paperwork,’ ” she told me, mimicking the soft voice she would use with an upset child. “The kids would still be like, ‘O.K., when am I going?’ They would start crying and it wasn’t just tears, it was screams.”




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"It wasn't just tears, it was screams." (Original Post) kpete Oct 2020 OP
Kidnapping children, traumatizing them for life, and BusyBeingBest Oct 2020 #1
And the worse cases of these brutal separations, those that bought them on, should be SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #2
I'm with you. I want to see these people charged to the maximum, and pay the maximum penalty BComplex Oct 2020 #3
Traumatized indeed. And of course there will be the thugs that rump seemed to delight in SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #5
I think this goes beyond that, there are idle cruise ships, load one up and ship them to the rwsanders Oct 2020 #25
This was, BY FAR, one of the darkest, most despicable policies/acts of the tRump horror show.... Raster Oct 2020 #4
Agreed Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #6
I can't believe that for a brief point in time CrispyQ Oct 2020 #7
Going to take years to Wellstone ruled Oct 2020 #10
Many of the families were fleeing for their lives. Some parents sent back may have been killed BComplex Oct 2020 #11
Yes they were. Wellstone ruled Oct 2020 #14
Steven Miller should be 1st in the docket Ferryboat Oct 2020 #8
I second that! BComplex Oct 2020 #12
K&Fuckin'R Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2020 #9
Now, now, we need to look forward to the future, not backward to the past gratuitous Oct 2020 #13
The split second someone starts making these noises, the pushback crickets Oct 2020 #15
This needs to be hung on the RePutinican Party until the end of time. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #16
We said the same thing during torture years - Abu Grahib - Cheney lostnfound Oct 2020 #26
MSM is just too damn liberal I guess. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #30
These children AND their parents lillypaddle Oct 2020 #17
Absolutely criminal. Abolish ICE. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2020 #18
This, as much as anything, should be reason to incarcerate OrangeAnus. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2020 #19
LIES BY JOHN KELLY Jimvanhise Oct 2020 #20
I now know where we should "Lock Him Up" at along with all his enablers. KS Toronado Oct 2020 #21
That's monstrous! ChazInAz Oct 2020 #22
America!!! Evangelicals...? Got something for us here? Grins Oct 2020 #23
Yes, Stephen Miller, but let's not forget the complicity of others colorado_ufo Oct 2020 #24
That little boy sobbing, "Papi, Papi" is seared into my heart Hekate Oct 2020 #27
Whoever still supports this impossibly cruel "policy" is going to go to Hell when they die. calimary Oct 2020 #28
But, you know... BobTheSubgenius Oct 2020 #29
Cruelty is the official policy Martin Eden Oct 2020 #31

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
2. And the worse cases of these brutal separations, those that bought them on, should be
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:22 AM
Oct 2020

charged w/ cruel and inhuman treatment. These thugs seem to take delight in extracting cruelty on a daily basis.

BComplex

(8,046 posts)
3. I'm with you. I want to see these people charged to the maximum, and pay the maximum penalty
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:26 AM
Oct 2020

for doing this.

I can imagine that the social workers tasked with working with these kids will be traumatized for life.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
5. Traumatized indeed. And of course there will be the thugs that rump seemed to delight in
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:29 AM
Oct 2020

hiring that enjoyed this activity. Too much so. They seemed to forget that these are human beings.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
25. I think this goes beyond that, there are idle cruise ships, load one up and ship them to the
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:42 PM
Oct 2020

international court in the Hague.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
4. This was, BY FAR, one of the darkest, most despicable policies/acts of the tRump horror show....
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:29 AM
Oct 2020

...WE --yes we-- because it was done in our names, are responsible for inflicting brutal damage to those kids.

This was CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN.

CrispyQ

(36,460 posts)
7. I can't believe that for a brief point in time
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:55 AM
Oct 2020

I actually thought that Rod Rosenstein had a tiny bit of integrity. Seriously, it almost makes me sick.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/06/us/politics/family-separation-border-immigration-jeff-sessions-rod-rosenstein.html

snip...

"We need to take away children,” Mr. Sessions told the prosecutors, according to participants’ notes. One added in shorthand: “If care about kids, don’t bring them in. Won’t give amnesty to people with kids.”

Rod J. Rosenstein, then the deputy attorney general, went even further in a second call about a week later, telling the five prosecutors that it did not matter how young the children were. He said that government lawyers should not have refused to prosecute two cases simply because the children were barely more than infants.


I don't believe in an afterlife, but I sure wish there were a place like hell for people like this.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Going to take years to
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:08 PM
Oct 2020

find these Parents or relatives. And once again,it will take the SOS and his or her Investigators to even make a attempt at finding these Persons.

Going to take DNA testing on a massive scale as well as Countries working with our State Department to fix this Failure of Humanity.

Major thing,Steve Miller,Jeff Sessions,Rod Rosenstein,and Katie Miller have to stand in the Dock of Justice either in D.C. or the Hague.

BComplex

(8,046 posts)
11. Many of the families were fleeing for their lives. Some parents sent back may have been killed
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:35 PM
Oct 2020

already, and the children will never know that the only reason their parents didn't come get them is because they are dead.

The tragedy is endless on this policy. Everyone involved in the decision making and care-taking policies should be jailed, and put in cages for the rest of their lives.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Yes they were.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:03 PM
Oct 2020

As per a acquaintance,several of Parents were deported back to their Home Countries or another Country only to be executed by Gangs or out of control Government Agents.

Ferryboat

(922 posts)
8. Steven Miller should be 1st in the docket
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 11:57 AM
Oct 2020

everyone below him should also be held accountable. Among the many things the new administration needs to do is rejoin the international human rights commission (?) so these scumbags are held accountable for crimes against humanity.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Now, now, we need to look forward to the future, not backward to the past
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 12:40 PM
Oct 2020

Let's not criminalize political differences. I mean, we can go back and forth all day long about whether torturing children is good or bad, but the fact of the matter is that the Trump administration is darned mad about having to stand for re-election and letting voters cast ballots who aren't even going to vote for Donald Trump.

So let's just say that everyone made mistakes (except Donald Trump) and just move on to the next thing.

There. I just saved Mark Meadows five minutes out of his busy schedule of looking up countries that don't have an extradition treaty with the United States.

crickets

(25,963 posts)
15. The split second someone starts making these noises, the pushback
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:14 PM
Oct 2020

has got to be immense and immovable. If anyone is questioning why this nation absolutely needs a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, absolutely needs an entire panel of special prosecutors, absolutely needs to charge, prosecute, and jail the guilty -- they need to reminded of these children and told in no uncertain terms that we are not going to just "move on" next year.

This is only one of the outrages perpetrated by the trump administration that require investigation and prosecution if we ever hope to be whole as a nation again, if we ever hope to heal our international reputation.

This is only one of them.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
17. These children AND their parents
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:22 PM
Oct 2020

are ruined for life. This has been the most horrendous thing to come from this administration. May all of those MFs burn in hell, and soon.

Jimvanhise

(301 posts)
20. LIES BY JOHN KELLY
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:28 PM
Oct 2020

If you read the 2018 interview with John Kelly at the link, he lies as much as Donald Trump does. Then in his recent book he basically says the opposite of what he said in that interview.

colorado_ufo

(5,733 posts)
24. Yes, Stephen Miller, but let's not forget the complicity of others
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:39 PM
Oct 2020

especially Rosenstein, who is a self-righteous hypocrite.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
28. Whoever still supports this impossibly cruel "policy" is going to go to Hell when they die.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 02:13 PM
Oct 2020

You can’t get into Heaven having caused so much hurt and heartbreak, and remain indifferent to it - or worse - cheer and yell for more of it.

And vote to approve and support it.

You cause that much pain to others - especially the poor and needy and terrorized and homeless and outcast (modern-day Samaritans anyone?) - and you get to go to Hell when you die.

You get a ride on the Lord’s version of that “down escalator.”

Seems to me, anyway.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
31. Cruelty is the official policy
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 09:16 AM
Oct 2020

And the folks who work at these facilities have to deal the the ongoing tragedies.

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