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Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:13 PM

Epstein was murdered...

that is all...

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Reply Epstein was murdered... (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 OP
greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #1
bullimiami Oct 2020 #3
Miguelito Loveless Oct 2020 #5
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #10
greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #17
brush Oct 2020 #24
yardwork Oct 2020 #44
LanternWaste Oct 2020 #23
onecaliberal Oct 2020 #2
True Blue American Oct 2020 #7
Beachnutt Oct 2020 #4
50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2020 #6
Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #8
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #11
Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #13
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #14
Bettie Oct 2020 #42
PSPS Oct 2020 #9
NurseJackie Oct 2020 #22
brush Oct 2020 #31
elevator Oct 2020 #45
localroger Oct 2020 #47
revmclaren Oct 2020 #12
AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2020 #15
Silent3 Oct 2020 #16
dewsgirl Oct 2020 #18
grantcart Oct 2020 #39
dewsgirl Oct 2020 #19
brooklynite Oct 2020 #20
USALiberal Oct 2020 #55
Hoyt Oct 2020 #21
localroger Oct 2020 #49
TheRealNorth Oct 2020 #25
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #27
LanternWaste Oct 2020 #26
machoneman Oct 2020 #28
Squinch Oct 2020 #29
Drunken Irishman Oct 2020 #30
VOX Oct 2020 #32
Ron Obvious Oct 2020 #33
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #35
JohnQFunk Oct 2020 #34
Sneederbunk Oct 2020 #36
KWR65 Oct 2020 #37
edhopper Oct 2020 #38
USALiberal Oct 2020 #40
CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2020 #41
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #51
bluestarone Oct 2020 #43
Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #46
Kid Berwyn Oct 2020 #48
cwydro Oct 2020 #50
JHB Oct 2020 #52
Trailrider1951 Oct 2020 #53
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #54

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:14 PM

1. No he wasn't

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:17 PM

3. maybe he wasnt, but maybe he was.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:17 PM

5. I would agree with you

but a LOT of things went wrong that insured that conclusive evidence was absent. THREE video cameras on the fritz?

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:19 PM

10. I know, and yet some still insist otherwise...there is a reason they do that.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:27 PM

17. What's that reason?

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:47 PM

24. Well that's not rocket science. To get away with murder is why.

All three camera suddenly not working and the guards on break? And Barr visited the facility a couple of days before.

Yeah, sure. It was all on the up and up.

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:34 PM

44. He could just as easily paid the guards to let him commit suicide.

Epstein had a strong motive to commit suicide, and the means to buy off people assigned to prevent him.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:44 PM

23. Was it caused by social upheaval?

 

Or a boy band gif?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:15 PM

2. I agree, he was murdered.

The 2 guards were asleep and the camera monitoring a suicide watch room was conveniently broken.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:17 PM

7. I have always

Thought that. Why did Barr visit him so many times!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:17 PM

4. WATERBURY SECRETS....

look it up.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:18 PM

8. He didn't seem like the suicidal type. More the type who would turn everyone else in.

Surely, he had the goods on Trump and others.

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:19 PM

11. Narcissists dont kill themselves

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:21 PM

13. Rather, they'll rat out anyone if it serves their purpose. In this case, self preservation. nt

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Response to Earthshine2 (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:22 PM

14. He had so many plays to make, so much money.

Zero chance he killed himself, zero.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:31 PM

42. And SO much dirt on so many rich and powerful men

Many people with enormous resources benefitted from his death.

And, as they say: Coincidences take a lot of planning.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:19 PM

9. Aw, Geez



Child molesters almost always kill themselves when they know their secrets will be revealed. That is all.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:41 PM

22. Almost always...

... that is all.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:52 PM

31. His secrets had already been revealed before when he got the...

sweetheart deal in Florida where he spent the days doing what he pleased and the nights in jail.

His activities were no secret.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:40 PM

45. LOL. He had no secrets. People knew for years he was a pedophile

And Michael Baden said his death was murder.

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Response to PSPS (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:55 PM

47. That is because they know their lives will be ruined.

Epstein was beyond that. He had enough influence, both in money and kompromat, to be immune from the usual fate of sex offenders as he had well proven by the cushy situation that emerged from him in Florida. And he had every expectation of being able to do it again. He was killed on behalf of one of the many even more powerful people who stood to lose even more than Epstein had ever had if their secrets were revealed.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:20 PM

12. We will know all the facts

when we have a new AG under Biden...whether murder or simply negligence.



I VOTED FOR BIDEN!!!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:25 PM

15. His death was of great benefit to powerful people, & he was in their custody - hmmmm.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:26 PM

16. There's no sense acting certain about that which you cannot be certain

As conspiracy theories go, of course, Epstein being killed is way more plausible than, say, flat earth or Qanon bullshit.

And I'd hardly be shocked to find out it was true.

But no one knows. You don't gain any wisdom points, or protective advantage against "them", for jumping the gun and declaring you know what you don't know.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:27 PM

18. He was definitely murdered.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:26 PM

39. You can say that again

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:30 PM

19. He was definitely murdered.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:30 PM

20. Trashing: Lazy (and irrelevant) conspiracy theory

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:56 PM

55. +1000! nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:35 PM

21. Don't think so. If he had been, the same folks would have offed Maxell.

His life was over and he knew it. Someone might have paid for guards to close their eyes while he killed himself, though.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:01 PM

49. Not necessarily

G went into hiding and even though she's in jail herself now, she may have been a bit more ... tactful about her hold over other powerful people. She had a chance which Epstein didn't after his death to stash secrets in places where they would be revealed upon her untimely demise, an insurance policy Epstein was probably confident he didn't need because of his long history. The people who would want her dead are probably still asking what the odds are of this or that unpleasant result. Epstein thought he was invincible, but after his death G would have known for certain otherwise and probably taken *cough* precautions.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:48 PM

25. Professionals know how to make it look like a suicide

or at least make the suicide look "possible".

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:49 PM

27. Yeah, like no cameras working

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:49 PM

26. Your use of objective evidence to prove a case remains as consistent as always.

 

I mean... it would be irrational and without merit to state a case resting merely on allegation.

Hence, my comfort that you support your allegations with hard data rather than simply alleging a conclusion or reading chicken entrails.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:50 PM

28. Many people say.............................................

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:51 PM

29. Yep.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:51 PM

30. A lot of people who think he was murdered think Clinton did it.

I'd wager a majority of those who think Epstein was murdered believe it was the Clintons who did it.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 04:54 PM

32. This a favorite of QAnon as well.

Maybe for different reasons, but nevertheless. Best left to them.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:00 PM

33. It seems the most likely explanation

An enormous chain of bizarre coincidences which really strains credibility otherwise, added to the fact that he had the goods on a lot of very powerful people.

If this had happened in Russia, everybody would immediately jump to the murder explanation.

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Response to Ron Obvious (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:01 PM

35. Yep.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:01 PM

34. ... but did JFK Jr. do it? Asking for my QHoax-obsessed crazy uncle.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:12 PM

36. Or he was allowed to commit suicide.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:23 PM

37. Did you pop over from Qanon to post this?

He committed suicide.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:26 PM

38. I think there are reasons to think that is so

though no definitive proof.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:28 PM

40. Wrong forum! Nt

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:31 PM

41. I agree. It was almost certainly murder.

Didn't the coroner state that the broken bones in his neck looked like murder rather than suicide?

Plus, there was no high place for him to drop from, IIRC.

Plus all the other reasons: broken cameras, absent suicide watchers.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:42 PM

51. Yep...Amazing how many people RUSH to say "oh no, you are wrong"



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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:32 PM

43. YEP

BUT no proof at this time!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 05:43 PM

46. I'd love to wager No at Even money

 

Win or lose, that would be stealing in terms of value

Conspiracy types take probability to outer space and beyond

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:00 PM

48. Why suicide before trial?

Guy had some good lawyers. Unfortunately, though, on the other side lurks Bill Barr and the ideological spawn of Roy Cohn.



The Ghost of Roy Cohn

BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014

EXCERPT...

In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into America’s secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).

Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a “Pedophile Book” hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.

I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohn’s hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilson’s modus operandi:

“Historically, one of Wilson’s Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary…. Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh…. A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras…. The technicians in charge of filming… were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office.” (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)

According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilson’s operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfrey’s outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfrey’s outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.

SOURCE:

https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:02 PM

50. Lol, you're still on about this?

Oh dear.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:43 PM

52. Signed: Epstein's mother

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:47 PM

53. You know, the law enforcement authorities searched his home and private island

after his death. I'm really looking forward to hearing what they found, but so far, it appears to have gone down a big black hole somewhere in the Universe.........

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Response to Trailrider1951 (Reply #53)

Mon Oct 19, 2020, 06:49 PM

54. Weird, but Barr is in charge, so not really. I just want to survive the virus long

enough to see what really happened and how bad the information really is.


I see some folks dont seem to care, but I do.

Great point you make, surely there is a lot of info there.

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