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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:42 AM

gab13by13 (15,568 posts)

California Drop Boxes.

I just had this horrible idea why the GOP installed illegal drop boxes in California, I hope someone can convince me otherwise.
I believe that even though all of the ballots won't be counted on election night, I believe that Joe Biden will still have enough electoral votes to make it obvious that he is the winner, unless California's electoral votes are not included. I can envision California ballots, from those illegal drop boxes may just turn up in dumpsters. Trump can declare the California election is rigged. I am sure he will also challenge elections in other states that have a lot of electoral votes. Without California's electoral votes it will give Trump's lawyers time to challenge the election and send it to the Supreme Court that will then declare Trump to be king.

Please, someone with some legal expertise, convince me why that scenario can't happen?

I see no other logical reason why they installed those drop boxes. They want to get their hands on a lot of ballots and use them as Reichstag fires.

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19 replies	Author	Time	Post
California Drop Boxes. (Original post)	gab13by13	Oct 2020	OP
The GOP just isn't very smart	C_U_L8R	Oct 2020	#1
Not too far off if at all,...	magicarpet	Oct 2020	#2
So all these GOPer ballots are going to end up in the dumpster. They didn't come thru the mail or	Hoyt	Oct 2020	#3
Very possible. Here is what I think we should do.	honest.abe	Oct 2020	#4
Mostly I think they are harvesting	PatSeg	Oct 2020	#5
Agree. The put the fake boxes outside	SharonClark	Oct 2020	#8
And of course they know	PatSeg	Oct 2020	#11
CA is solidly blue. Who could argue there was even 1% chance	flibbitygiblets	Oct 2020	#6
I'm not saying they hope to change the outcome in Ca. just delay it,	gab13by13	Oct 2020	#9
CA always takes its sweet time counting votes	Retrograde	Oct 2020	#19
No. It's simple ballot harvesting.	GulfCoast66	Oct 2020	#7
I'm not seeing that,	gab13by13	Oct 2020	#10
All the locations are solid red	FreeState	Oct 2020	#14
CA's been doing mass mail-in elections for some time	Retrograde	Oct 2020	#15
OK, if the drop boxes say GOP on them,	gab13by13	Oct 2020	#12
Because they're on private property	Retrograde	Oct 2020	#16
Well if he claims CA's election was rigged, he did the rigging, so that'd be a confession	lettucebe	Oct 2020	#13
Everyone and I mean everyone I know is tracking their ballot after drop off or mailing	winstars	Oct 2020	#17
Yup. Ha ha, I was checking twice a day.	whttevrr	Oct 2020	#18

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Oct 17, 2020, 08:45 AM

C_U_L8R (43,544 posts)

1. The GOP just isn't very smart

Sure they're crooks but don't be surprised if they didn't think this out so well.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:00 AM

magicarpet (12,859 posts)

2. Not too far off if at all,...

... a plot to invalidate the election some way some how. Hard to predict their specific angle. As it becomes more and more obvious that their goose is cooked,... expect these Fascists to pull all the plugs and stops to gum up this election and have the courts somehow deem the election invalid.

TrDump knows if he loses this election his ass next lands in jail. He will attempt to move and reconfigure the planets of this galaxy to keep his ass out of prison.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:01 AM

Hoyt (54,770 posts)

3. So all these GOPer ballots are going to end up in the dumpster. They didn't come thru the mail or

official county drop boxes. Don't think it will be hard to figure out it's a GOPer scam.

trump is long past being able to declare something like that.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:04 AM

honest.abe (7,182 posts)

4. Very possible. Here is what I think we should do.

Someone needs to monitor some of those boxes and make videos of people dropping their ballots showing the person's car and license plates. This can be used as evidence linking the GOP drop boxes to the ballots dumped. Not 100% proof but probably good enough for the courts to make a decision.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:08 AM

PatSeg (44,895 posts)

5. Mostly I think they are harvesting

republican votes by making it easier for them to cast their ballots. That said, I wouldn't put anything past them. They believe in winning at any cost and rules be damned.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:20 AM

SharonClark (9,586 posts)

8. Agree. The put the fake boxes outside

of trump loving churches and gun shops to harvest ballots. If they end up dumping the ballots it’s all on them.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:26 AM

PatSeg (44,895 posts)

11. And of course they know

Trump can't win California, but they still have down ballot candidates that can win in republican areas. They are trying to hold on to what power they can.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:10 AM

flibbitygiblets (7,220 posts)

6. CA is solidly blue. Who could argue there was even 1% chance

that would be different this year?

If this were the angle, it would be effective in a swing state.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:21 AM

gab13by13 (15,568 posts)

9. I'm not saying they hope to change the outcome in Ca. just delay it,

so that Joe can't be declared the presumptive winner on election night.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 05:35 PM

Retrograde (9,210 posts)

19. CA always takes its sweet time counting votes

Ballots arriving legally after election day, provisional ballots, damaged ballots are counted last. There's a 30 day counting period built into the system. For most races, the results can be predicted a day or two after the polls close, but the Secretary of State will not certify final numbers until all counties report their final totals.

My favorite election website is the California SoS's uncounted ballots tally: it's interesting to see the various counties whittle down their totals.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:17 AM

GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)

7. No. It's simple ballot harvesting.

Not aimed at the presidential election which they have no chance of in California. Rather house races.
They want to win back those they lost in 18 and keep those they have.

California’s vote will not be disallowed. Or even challenged.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:26 AM

gab13by13 (15,568 posts)

10. I'm not seeing that,

There are going to be Democratic ballots in those boxes also, are they going to harvest ballots for Democrats? Who is to say there aren't more Democratic ballots than Republican in those boxes?

Does California have ballot tracking like we do in Pa.? I mailed my ballot in and I can track my ballot to see if the County election office got my ballot.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 02:29 PM

FreeState (10,291 posts)

14. All the locations are solid red

The news here has shown all the boxes in traditionally red districts where the house races are tight (Orange County, parts of LA, Fresno etc.).

It’s not about Biden who is polling over 60% in CA. Biden is +30.1 points in the polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/california/

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 02:50 PM

Retrograde (9,210 posts)

15. CA's been doing mass mail-in elections for some time

Since the early 2000s, any voter could sign up for permanent vote-by-mail, and before that any voter could request a mail-in ballot for any specific election. Before 2020, more than half the state's voters voted by mail - and that's a lot of people. Several counties switched to all-mail voting over the past decade. This isn't a new thing for us.

Yes, we have tracking, and have had it for many elections. The new thing this year is that you can sign up with the state to get tracking notifications as well as checking your county's website, which as been around for at least 10 years.

The only way someone can tell what's in the ballot envelopes is to open them up, which would then show signs of tampering. Given the counties where these bogus boxes are showing up, I think it's more an effort to keep what few Republican congressional seats they still have by harvesting likely Republican ballots.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 09:51 AM

gab13by13 (15,568 posts)

12. OK, if the drop boxes say GOP on them,

then I can understand the reasoning for ballot harvesting. I still don't understand if those boxes are on sidewalks, on city property, why can't the city simply remove them? Get someone from the election office to take possession of the ballots.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 02:53 PM

Retrograde (9,210 posts)

16. Because they're on private property

At gun stores and churches.

California counties publish the locations of all drop boxes. In the counties I've checked, the official ones are all on public property - city halls, civic centers, libraries. That's one way of identifying a legitimate drop box.

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 02:18 PM

lettucebe (2,159 posts)

13. Well if he claims CA's election was rigged, he did the rigging, so that'd be a confession

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Sat Oct 17, 2020, 04:06 PM

winstars (4,191 posts)

17. Everyone and I mean everyone I know is tracking their ballot after drop off or mailing

It takes 5 minutes to set up and you can either get a text, email or voicemail telling you that they have received your ballot. In California BTW... Easy peasy...

Here's the link...

https://california.ballottrax.net/voter/

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Response to winstars (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 17, 2020, 04:14 PM

whttevrr (2,345 posts)

18. Yup. Ha ha, I was checking twice a day.

State had info posted before county

2020 GENERAL
Ballot Accepted
10/13/2020
Your ballot has been accepted! Your ballot was received by your county elections office and will be counted.

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