Feinstein needs to retire.

[Drunken Irishman]

[Doremus]

1. Yes. nt

[BeyondGeography]

2. Ageist!

[Rule of Claw]

3. Needed to some years ago.

[Solomon]

53. Many years ago. She and her husband make way too much money from war and the

defense industry.

[zentrum]

78. Yup. Made me furious during the

…..Iraq war.

Also, her SF office was horrible to we citizens when we went there to talk to her about passing Obama Care. We all felt it was an office culture that came from the top.

[Grasswire2]

4. Here's the pic of her hugging Lindsey after the hearing.

[link:http://

Link to tweet

?s=20|

[dubyadiprecession]

14. I'd rather hug a porcupine with covid than Lindsey!

[jaxexpat]

32. Birds of a feather?

[BComplex]

102. For many years, in fact.

[bluestarone]

54. WOW!

YUCK YUCK YUCK!! NOT the MESSAGE we need to send! WTF???

[OneCrazyDiamond]

72. Not a good idea to hug republicans.

Especially without a lot of PPE

[Grasswire2]

5. It was DiFi who was taken in by the "gentlemans' agreement" that allowed Kavanaugh to proceed. nt

[Wounded Bear]

6. Well, if Lindsey is a carrier like many of us think he is...

perhaps she's in danger of a "forced" retirement.

[ananda]

7. Long past due.

...

[MurrayDelph]

71. I wrote that to her in 2005,

when I'd emailed her a question, and the condescending response I got was basically "Back off, sonny; I'm a Senator."

Instead, I moved to Oregon, where you can get a face-to-face meeting without having to carry a piece of paper containing the words "Pay to the Order of..."

[madaboutharry]

8. She should not have run the last time.

She is up again in 2022. She will be 89 years old then. I doubt she will run again.

Her exchange with Graham today was rather outrageous.

[BeyondGeography]

12. She just got re-elected

Try 2024.

Link to tweet

[madaboutharry]

15. Oh man, that is even worse.

What is an 85 year old doing running for a 6 year term, even a 6 month term? How utterly selfish.

[Polybius]

25. Let's just hope she doesn't go for Strom Thurmond's record

He ran for re-election at age 94, won, and finished his term.

[madaboutharry]

30. I recall reading that Thurmond's aides would get him dressed and bring him to the Senate Offices.

He had no idea where he was nor did he know who the people there were. He would stand in the hallway and hand out candy, completely consumed by dementia. His Chief of Staff was acting as Senator.

[Polybius]

34. His final couple of years were brutal, but his absolute love for the Senate likely kept him alive

He died shortly after his term ended, at 100.

[Mr.Bill]

39. She will run if she has a pulse. n/t

[spanone]

31. Fuck It.

[CountAllVotes]

9. The Moscone/Milk scenario

Dear Dianne as she was known.

She is still "Dear Dianne" to me.

Enough a long time ago after these two fine men were murdered after she lost the mayoral election.

Some of us never forget.

[roamer65]

104. Jello Biafra called her "Dragonlady" for this reason.

[CountAllVotes]

112. A Republican wearing the clothes of a Democrat

That is how she has been viewed by many that remember this sad time.

And yes, I am one one them.

I worked a few blocks from the infamous "Doggie Diner" where White fled to after gunning down Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Milk.

It was a horrible time and the riots that followed after the verdict led to the closure of the place I worked at.

She was not known as "Dear Dianne" for no reason at all!

[CountAllVotes]

114. This whole scenario sickened me

I really cannot forget it.

I really cannot just let it go.

I really cannot get behind Feinstein for these two reasons alone.

It was such a sad, awful time and there she was ... uh huh.

[NRaleighLiberal]

10. good article about this

Democrats, Facing Critical Supreme Court Battle, Worry Feinstein Is Not Up to the Task

Ms. Feinstein, 87, has slowed in recent years and limited her public profile, leading some Democrats to wonder if she can lead them through a consequential confirmation process.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/us/politics/dianne-feinstein-supreme-court-judiciary-committee.html

[Takket]

101. she's 87??????????????

She sure doesn't look it! I actually googled this because I thought you made a typo. I thought she was maybe in her 60s........

i have some pretty serious misgivings about her heading judiciary if we win the senate after today. if we are going to expand the court and also be heading some probes into the drumpf cabal, we need someone there we can trust to hammer these people.

[regnaD kciN]

11. She needed to retire before she ever started...

Remember, DiFi was the conservative Democrat on the San Francisco City Council, and would likely have stayed in the ideological minority there had not her ally Dan White assassinated Mayor Moscone and Councilor Milk. That act of violence handed her the mayor's seat, from which she immediately steered the city in a more pro-business, pro-developer direction completely counter to her predecessor's principles, then used the conventional wisdom of "she was San Francisco mayor, so she must be a progressive" to vault to national office.

But I've never understood those who reflexively lumped her in as part of the "liberals." She was always nearly as much of a DINO as Holy Joe -- the only differences were that a) she was predictably outspoken on women's issues, and b) she didn't feel the need to go around publicly endorsing Republicans against members of her own party. But, otherwise, she's always been pretty much worthless in terms of furthering a Democratic policy agenda.

[CountAllVotes]

16. +1

[coti]

24. She supported gun control.

That's basically the extent of her national-level career. Not making good foreign policy decisions, not pushing hard for better support for working families or healthcare. The damned gun control issue that lost us so many voters (not that I disagree with her), she was the poster girl for. For everything else, her leadership has been among the worst in the party.

[George II]

37. So let's review what you posted:

She needed to retire before she ever started?
Her ally Dan White assassinated Moscone and Milk?
She's a DINO?
She's always been pretty much worthless?

Very nice.

Who is "Holy Joe", another Democrat that you're attacking?

[coti]

43. Joe Lieberman.

The guy who endorsed John McCain in 2008 and spoke at the RNC. You a fan?

[George II]

69. Not particularly, but I sure as shit wouldn't ridicule him because he's a devout Jew.

[madeup64]

85. I don't think it was meant to be anti-Semitic

More of a play on calling someone holier-than-thou. Lieberman certainly thought very highly of himself considering he seemed to think that endorsing McCain in 2008 was going to matter to many Democrats.

However if it was meant that way certainly not acceptable

[melman]

98. It wasn't

The poster knows perfectly well that Lieberman has been called Holy Joe since the Clinton impeachment, and probably thousands of times on this site. The poster is just doing what the poster does.

Here is an editorial from Lieberman's hometown paper

" There’s the moralist who chided President Bill Clinton for his inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky, earning the nickname “Holy Joe” for condemning sex and violence in popular culture."

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/opinion/article/Editorial-In-search-of-thereal-Joe-Lieberman-11159862.php

[tonedevil]

86. It doesn't matter what religion...

he embraces it is his holier-than-thou attitude that wins him that moniker.

[tenderfoot]

13. Yes.

Like decades ago.

Such a mole.

[stillcool]

21. Good call!

[Maven]

17. Yes she does.

A few people in the leadership do, actually.

[samsingh]

18. she is another enabler of evil.

[RockRaven]

19. I voted for her Dem challenger in the last election. She either doesn't understand how the GOP

has changed in how they approach the operation of the Senate, or she does understand and is willfully ineffectual. Either way, she is not serving her constituents well.

[samsingh]

20. she is another enabler of evil.

[Statistical]

22. Feinstein has also said she thinks the filibuster is a good thing and doesn't want it to go.

Filibuster = zero progressive legislation passing even if Biden wins AND we retake the Senate.
Filibuster = zero chance of expanding the courts
Filibuster = zero chance of opening DC & PR to statehood
Filibuster = zero chance for an ACA replacement when the courts kill it

[Turin_C3PO]

23. Yes.

I’ve defended her in the past but I’m done. She needs to go.

[OnDoutside]

58. 100% agree.

[Magoo48]

26. Yes, a long time ago.

[hibbing]

27. Agree n/t

[DIVINEprividence]

28. WTF was that????

I expect this crap from the GOP but coming from Feinstein, it is infuriating. If Democrats aren’t going to take a stand and fight over the USSC, what is the friggen point?

[brooklynite]

29. Feinstein won (against a progressive Democrat) by 1 million votes in 2018

Unless she decides to retire, I'll believe she's vulnerable when you find a candidate who can raise, say, $20,000,000 to be competitive.

[dsc]

99. because California has a stupid election system

She was able to win because the GOP voted for, what for them, was the much lesser of two evils. Not having real primaries leads to a loss of control of a party's message. I have defended her before but this was inexcusable. She likely ended any chance Harrison may have had of winning, ruined any message of unfairness about the Barrett nomination and her stance on the filibuster will end abortion, marriage equality, and voting rights for decades to come even if we win a majority since not only won't we be able to fix the Supreme Court we also won't be able to pass any legislation whatsoever. Oh, and let's not forget the millions of uninsured that she will help create when the ACA goes down. It is one thing when the likes of Manchin behaves this way but for someone from one of the bluest states in the nation to behave this way is insane.

[EndlessWire]

108. No, she's done after this photo.

(She isn't wearing a mask??) What a way to end a career. "It's okay if you help Trump destroy the country. Have a nice day."

She's done. I personally can't stand to see anyone hugging my enemy. Maybe he's got Covid. She must have it, too. But, he's still on his feet and voting. She's giving positive vibes to a rat. Go figure and see if she's got any gas in her tank. Ain't happening.

[brooklynite]

111. Who's going to remember this, or care, four years from now?

[mshasta]

33. She gone!

Is done

[sandensea]

35. Her 2006 race was the only time I ever voted for anyone but a Democrat in a senate race

Her coziness with Dubya and the "new Pearl Harbor" bunch convinced me, by then, that she was not to be trusted.

And this just (further) confirms this suspicion.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

36. There really needs to be an upper age limit

for Senators and Representatives. And Presidents.

[Layzeebeaver]

38. I thought weren't supposed to trash democrats?

I don’t agree with her action here. But retire?

[ashredux]

40. Yes.

[MoonRiver]

41. Why is suggesting retirement bashing?

[democrank]

45. It isn't.

[coti]

48. Any pushback on her behavior is richly deserved, and been a long time coming. nt

[LanternWaste]

60. If the suggestion is predicated on objective evidence, its not.

However, if the suggestion is predicated on editorial and bias or simply one benign action, we get then closer and closer to that line.

[dansolo]

110. The objective evidence is her track record

Some of us have actually been paying attention to her actions for the past several decades. This isn't a new, one time deal. She has been enabling Republican malfeasance for a long time.

[FreeState]

97. See post 11

Never should have started is much different than retire.

[Skittles]

50. YES

WAY PAST TIME

[NorthOf270]

91. Do know how many great Democrats there are ready to get in the game?

Katie Porter? Ever heard of her?

Adam Schiff?

Ted Lieu?

Stop acting like she'd be replaced by anyone who wasn't better in every way.

[radius777]

94. DiFi is the one betraying Dems here,

as most Senate Dems have tried to make the case the the public about how illegitmate this process is, of ramming through a lifetime appointment in the midst of an election - which would shift the court hard right and roll back everything RBG fought for - and then DiFi goes and does something like this... it's a betrayal of the Dem strategy and our closing arguments in this election. VP nominee Kamala Harris said it plainly that this process is illegitimate.

[tormadjax]

42. She tries to be polite too much n/t

[Mariana]

67. That's a very generous interpretation. nt.

[tormadjax]

75. Well, what else is it? They all put on the act don't ya think? n/t

[democrank]

44. Gladly kicked and enthusiastically recommended.

[vercetti2021]

46. Resign Di

Let Katie Porter take your seat. You don't suck up with traitors Dianne.

[RandiFan1290]

47. Doing her job

[Le Roi de Pot]

49. She is against getting rid of filibuster and expanding the court

something fishy going on

[Buckeyeblue]

51. There should be an age limit for running. We have age minimums.

I think 75 or 76 for those running for a 6 year term. I know some people are very physically and mentally fit through their 80's. But I'm thinking more in context with staying in touch with the country.

[LiberalArkie]

74. I am 72 and agree. I am nothing like the thinker and person I was at 70, much less in my 30's.

There are 2 options, 1 retire sooner and we end up with a dynamic country.

1, keep it like it is where the congress critters will be able to vote while in a vegetative state like good old Strom Thurman, good ole status quo status.

Neither one did the founding fathers imagine.

[Ponietz]

52. Another spectacular own goal with time waning

[kairos12]

55. Her mumbling, bumblings at the hearing was pure Mueller.

[murdock744]

56. Maybe I am mistaken..

But isn't Dem bashing severely frowned upon in this forum? Dianne Feinstein is and has been and continues to be an exemplar and an example of the type of leadership we need and can expect moving forward.

Please, now more than ever we need to unify and quit the division, remember our enemy is not Feinstein or the moderate Democrats but Trumps Republican party!!

[Tumbulu]

61. agree 100%

enough bashing!

[OnDoutside]

63. How do you think Graham will use her words and that image in his

race against Jaime Harrison ? If you are talking about supporting fellow Dems, surely that should be top priority ?

[Maven]

80. You're right so why is Dianne Feinstein heaping praise on Lindsey Graham and not Jaime Harrison?

After he ran a sham hearing to fill a stolen SCOTUS seat?

[murdock744]

83. 4D Chess

4D Chess... Senator Feinstein is playing the long game, and much smarter than you're giving credit to her for being. She knows what she's doing.

[Maven]

88. Ah yes, it's working so well

Link to tweet

?s=20

[JonLP24]

107. Her own colleagues feel this way

Democrats worry Feinstein can’t handle Supreme Court battle

As the Senate prepares for yet another brutal Supreme Court nomination fight, one particularly sensitive issue is creating apprehension among Democrats: what to do with 87-year-old Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee.

Feinstein, the oldest member of the Senate, is widely respected by senators in both parties, but she has noticeably slowed in recent years. Interviews with more than a dozen Democratic senators and aides show widespread concern over whether the California Democrat is capable of leading the aggressive effort Democrats need against whoever President Donald Trump picks to replace the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The Judiciary Committee is the critical battleground in the Supreme Court confirmation process. At stake, her own Democratic colleagues worry, is more than just whether the party can thwart Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in his rush to fill the seat. Some Democrats privately fear that Feinstein could mishandle the situation and hurt their chances of winning back the majority.

Feinstein sometimes gets confused by reporters’ questions, or will offer different answers to the same question depending on where or when she’s asked. Her appearance is frail. And Feinstein's genteel demeanor, which seems like it belongs to a bygone Senate era, can lead to trouble with an increasingly hard-line Democratic base uninterested in collegiality or bipartisan platitudes.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/dianne-feinstein-supreme-court-battle-420357

This article was published long before the OP posted this thread.

[Grasswire2]

100. welcome to DU nt

[JonLP24]

105. It depends on the Democrat

Some who are affiliated with the party or even formally belong to the party like AOC or Rashida Tlaib are free game but say bashing Biden will get your post deleted.

In the end is up to a jury whether your post stays or not.

[Sympthsical]

57. I voted for de Leon

And stuff like this is why.

[DesertRat]

59. She's 87 with 4 years left in her term. nt

[Tumbulu]

62. Please stop it! She is my Senator

she has more experience than anyone and I for one voted for her and find her an inspiration still.

She shifted her approach and got quite a lot more out of the beast Barrett than anyone else did.

She can retire in 4 years if she wants to. But until then, please leave my Senator alone and use your energy to bash republicans.

[Ponietz]

65. Please pull the shiv out of my back since I can't reach it

[diva77]

66. How did she shift her approach & get more out of the beast? She's my senator as well.

Unfortunately.

[Tumbulu]

79. I mostly listened in NPR and then went and watched various Senators on PBS

and was really impressed with her manipulation of Barrett. You could not see that?

I was gobsmacked by her mastery.

I don't know what this OP is referring to exactly, like her being all nice to Lindsay Graham? Well she is very very kind, warm and sympathetic to gay people, decades prior to the general acceptance. He may have been responding to this innate quality of hers? And as far as his being closeted, I am in no mood to pick on closeted gay people. I have plenty enough ammunition with his hypocritical behavior and vile actions.

[BannonsLiver]

73. I have zero shits to give about when she retires

If she wants to run again after this term is up she should go for it. What I DO CARE about is her being on board when it comes time to nuke the filibuster and expand the court. She had better read the god damn room on that and get with the fucking program and be a team player. Her legacy such as it is will be reduced to rubble if she doesn’t. Believe that.

[NorthOf270]

92. When Amy Barrett takes away 23 million people's health care.....

....we'll remember this to keep warm,

[Hassler]

64. At first I thought she was being sarcastic. Sadly, no.

[AlexSFCA]

68. I voted for her in primary

not a wise choice. Very disappointed in her. She had good questions but then ruined it by legitimizing graham’s actions. This alone could compromise our court expansion idea. Not sure if she had some strategy behind this gesture. I wish she had covid and gave it to graham but it’s more likely the other way around. A kiss of death move.

[LiberalArkie]

70. She needs to make room for younger people to bring in new ideas and new energy.

[Yavin4]

76. In all fairness to Sen. Feinstein

She's an old woman who has been there for a very long time. She has made friends with her colleagues even though she disagrees with them. She probably cannot accept that they are this devious. She just can't.

[zentrum]

77. No surprises here at all.

[world wide wally]

81. Bye. Di

[whttevrr]

82. Yes

I was not going to log in because of the whole NBC Trump BS makes me type like shit and curse a lot. But after seeing some of the defenses for Di Fi I just have to say: "Fuck That Shit. Dianne Feinstein needs to go."

After her Covid-hug though, the wait may not be that long. 5-10 days? Do not take that as a wish for her ill health, but a realization that anyone above 80 hugging a person known to be in contact with Covid-19 positive people is just begging for trouble.

Her bullshit praise of @#%!!&@ has just made me livid al over again.


I will now go rant some more about #boycottNBC and #FireChuckTodd

[budkin]

84. Absolutely. She is just awful.

What the hell was that shitshow today?

[Old Okie]

87. Yes

Keeping the filibuster means nothing will get done and Repubs will take back the Senate in 2 years

[NorthOf270]

89. California has the deepest Democratic bench of any state

Feinstein needs to go.

[radius777]

90. Terrible. This simply hands Graham and Senate Repubs

in close races a commercial they can use to show themselves as 'bipartisan'.

DiFi, what exactly has Grahman and the GOP done to show they are operating in good faith? They stole Garland's seat and are now stealing RBG's seat that should be filled by Biden. We are going to have a 6-3 hard right Supreme Court and this is what our Dem leaders do to fight for us? These hearings were a sham and even Kamala Harris said so.

Dems are supposed to be the party that stands in defense of those who have been historically left out. This is exactly why younger voters and PoC often feel alienated from the party.

[NorthOf270]

93. It's why they laugh at us

It's why even facing a historic landslide, they will find some way to never take the fucking destruction they deserve.

[No Vested Interest]

95. Old people tend to hug a lot. Especially old women who have been denied hugs due to

Covid-19.
I match that description.
DiFi is about 2 years older than I.
I couldn't do what she's trying to do. - the push is no longer there.
I also have to rush to the bathroom a lot.
Wonder if she has to rush to the bathroom as well.

[New Breed Leader]

96. Agreed.

[AlexSFCA]

103. She may have a strategy

I wouldn’t rule it out that her being extra nice to graham is somehow strategic. She is probably the most influential democratic senator on the judiciary committee who also has respect from republicans. The key is that DiFi not only dis nor rule out a possibility of expanding SC but added that the hypocrisy of republican actions is consequential. I don’t think we would simply add seats to SC, most likely it would be a reform to depoliticize court. In this case, gop senators would very much want to have a say in it because the alternative is that dems would fill those new seats with no input from gop whatsoever. There needs to be a way of some sort of bipartisanship or appearance of thereof in order for the SC expansion to be accepted by the public at large.

[Shrek]

109. Not just that

Lindsey Graham is fighting for re-election. A photo of him hugging Feinstein might go over poorly with his voters.

Perhaps this was partially a political calculation for her.

[JI7]

113. Political Strategy to hug him without a mask on during a Pandemic and when he has not been willing

to take Covid Test ?

[pfitz59]

106. DU rules are "not to disparage Dems"

However, even old "war-horses' need go to pasture. It is not "ageism" to acknowledge old age, and the associated infirmities. Feinstein hugging and praising Graham was 'beyond the pale' at this point in time. She under-mined Harrison in a tight race, and diluted the stench of GOP hypocrisy. The time for "playing nice" is long over.