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(19,264 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:30 PM Oct 2020

Where do people get the idea that the House can invoke the 25th?

Only Pence can. Well technically Pence and a majority of the cabinet or Pence and a majority of a body designated by Congress in legislation. The singular key person however is Pence.

Nobody else on the planet other than Pence can invoke the 25th (aside from Dumpy doing it voluntarily). If everyone in Washington DC from both parties except Dumpy and Pence was in favor of the 25th then it doesn't happen. I mean if everyone was in favor they could just impeach Trump instead but they still couldn't invoke the 25th without Pence.

People need to stop jumping for extreme conclusions

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, alarmed by President Donald Trump's erratic behavior in recent days, is putting her weight behind a bill to give Congress a role in determining whether the President of the United States must be forced out of office because he's incapable of doing his job.

The move, in response to Trump's conduct in the days after testing positive for the coronavirus, would establish a process to effectively give Congress a say in removing a president from office under the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, which allows for a president to be removed from office if a majority of Cabinet members and the vice president consider him unable to carry out his duties. Section four of the 25th Amendment also says that if a majority of a body established by law, along with the vice president, declare in writing that if the president is disabled and unable to do his job, the vice president immediately becomes the acting president.

The bill, Democrats say, will create that body to help determine the fitness of the president. The proposal, which will be introduced Friday by Pelosi and Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, will create a body designed to "help ensure effective and uninterrupted leadership in the highest office in the Executive Branch of government," according to Pelosi's office.

The measure stands virtually no chance of becoming law. But it is designed to heighten the attention on Trump's condition after his doctors have provided limited information about his recovery from coronavirus.


Pelosi is keeping Trump's unsuitability for the office in the headlines by creating a headline that the media will report on. She is doing what she can to keep the pressure on but she can't force the 25th.
Where do people get the idea that the House can invoke the 25th? (Original Post) Statistical Oct 2020 OP
Shhhh, don't tell Don uppityperson Oct 2020 #1
Who knows anymore? I sure don't DonaldsRump Oct 2020 #2
Maybe she is trying to force release of medical info SheltieLover Oct 2020 #3
Congress may designate SoCalNative Oct 2020 #4
Which still requires Pence. Statistical Oct 2020 #5
What if Pence is also considered not fit for the office? lunatica Oct 2020 #6
Sadly the 25th doesn't cover that situation. Statistical Oct 2020 #8
I think Speaker Pelosi ellie Oct 2020 #7
Exactly. Statistical Oct 2020 #9
been saying since yesterday- i think mother would like to see her little boy in the big chair. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #10


(7,715 posts)
2. Who knows anymore? I sure don't
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:34 PM
Oct 2020

Pence would become Acting President, so there's definitely something in it for him. Pence cancelled his trip to Indiana on Friday, out of the blue. Also, has he said anything about Speaker Pelosi's announcement about the Commission.

That being said, something very serious is up.


(57,073 posts)
3. Maybe she is trying to force release of medical info
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:36 PM
Oct 2020

I've read doctors will not allow patients who are on the steroids he is supposedly taking sign legal papers, so... (Not a doc or lawyer here.)


(4,613 posts)
4. Congress may designate
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:37 PM
Oct 2020

the body who can deliver the notification to the senate and the house:

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office


(19,264 posts)
5. Which still requires Pence.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:39 PM
Oct 2020

It is Pence plus a majority of the cabinet or Pence plus a majority of the body that Congress designates.

As the article points out however passage is essentially impossible. Even if it could get through the Republican Senate do you think Trump would sign into law a bill which increased the chance of the 25th being used against him. If he vetoes it then it would require a 2/3rds majority in both houses to override the veto. If Congress has the votes for that they could just impeach Trump.

Once again Pelosi is doing this to keep Trump's unfitness in the headlines.


(53,410 posts)
6. What if Pence is also considered not fit for the office?
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:40 PM
Oct 2020

Pence is probably sick right now. So if Trump is not fit and Pence is sick with COVID then the Speaker is next in line.

There’s a reason why they won’t talk about or even accept that they’re probably both sick.


(19,264 posts)
8. Sadly the 25th doesn't cover that situation.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:41 PM
Oct 2020

Even weirded if the VP died there is no way to invoke the 25th at all. Our constitution has lots of vagaries.

The other option impeachment is always an option well it is on paper we have seen how well that works in practice when one party is a #DeathCult.


(19,264 posts)
9. Exactly.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:42 PM
Oct 2020

Keep everyone talking about how unfit Trump is. Make Trump freak out even more and show even more how unfit he is. Republicans would be reluctant to defend Trump but also risk the ire of Trump is they don't.



(1,400 posts)
10. been saying since yesterday- i think mother would like to see her little boy in the big chair.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:49 PM
Oct 2020

and you know he would love it.

i think there is a lot of support. moscow mitch was saying in private in august that they would cut cheato lose to save the senate if he was still flailing by labor day.
and you know the joint chiefs aint happy right now.
doubt anyone in the cabinet would go the mat.
and was it eric or don jr that was saying he was worried?
the princess and the dark prince wont be onboard, cuz that is a shortcut to prison, but...

i agree w malaise. it will happen.

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