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Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:40 PM

 

The media needs to stop calling them militias

They are terrorist gangs.

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Reply The media needs to stop calling them militias (Original post)
Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 OP
matt819 Oct 2020 #1
pat_k Oct 2020 #2
LizBeth Oct 2020 #5
unblock Oct 2020 #3
RockRaven Oct 2020 #4
pat_k Oct 2020 #7
pat_k Oct 2020 #14
littlemissmartypants Oct 2020 #27
pat_k Oct 2020 #33
littlemissmartypants Oct 2020 #35
LizBeth Oct 2020 #6
pat_k Oct 2020 #8
LizBeth Oct 2020 #9
pat_k Oct 2020 #16
LizBeth Oct 2020 #30
SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #10
Hassler Oct 2020 #11
pat_k Oct 2020 #18
Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2020 #12
pat_k Oct 2020 #20
ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #13
pat_k Oct 2020 #21
Greybnk48 Oct 2020 #15
pat_k Oct 2020 #22
Brother Mythos Oct 2020 #17
pat_k Oct 2020 #23
lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #19
pat_k Oct 2020 #25
Sympthsical Oct 2020 #24
Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #26
fierywoman Oct 2020 #28
Doreen Oct 2020 #29
soldierant Oct 2020 #31
flibbitygiblets Oct 2020 #32
warmfeet Oct 2020 #34
Johnny2X2X Oct 2020 #36
niyad Oct 2020 #37
Politicub Oct 2020 #38
Liberty Belle Oct 2020 #39

Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:44 PM

1. Or just terrorists, or

Terrorist cells

American terrorists

White terrorists

Christian terrorists
This is the DU member formerly known as matt819.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:44 PM

2. Yes. We need to change language (personally, I prefer White Terrorists)

American or Domestic Terrorist doesn't capture the fact these are White Power/Supremacists/Extremists. I think Christian Terrorists might work, but are they all Christians? (We know they are all White.)

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Response to pat_k (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:47 PM

5. +1

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:46 PM

3. Terror cells. Exactly.

Militia is a neutral if not supportive term.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:46 PM

4. Terrorist cells.

White terrorist cells.

Fascist terrorist cells.

Incels in cells.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:48 PM

7. White Terrorist cells gets my vote.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:39 PM

14. Letters to editors of newspapers and networks needed -- LOTS of letters

One way to lobby for a change in language is in letters to the editor. (Or to bring attention on any subject.)

Personally, I''ll be lobbying to change White Supremacists, White Extremists, White Power movement, Militias, etc. to "White Terrorists." As noted in other posts on the thread, I think this is more accurate and a simpler transition from current language. YMMV. There are other labels suggested on this thread, like Right-Wing Terrorists, you might prefer. I like including "White" because I think this ultimately boils down to racism -- not just "right-wing" beliefs.

In addition to writing to papers/news local to your state/city/region, below are some nationals and progressive-friendly magazines.

I've also included cable and network news contacts.

When you write, cite a recent article (articles) that have instances of the objectionable term. Make a short case for a new, more meaningful and accurate, label. Note the the problematic language is used everywhere.

Best to keep it under 200 words, whether or not the outlet provides this as a guideline.

National Newspapers

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WaPo
Write to [email protected] or to: Letters to the Editor, The Washington Post, 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071.

Guidelines: [F]ewer than 200 words and take as their starting point an article or other item appearing in The Post.

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NYTimes
[email protected]

Guidelines: Letters should be exclusive to The New York Times or The International New York Times. We do not publish open letters or third-party letters. -- That is, customize for NYTimes citing a few articles with the objectionable term and noting that the term is pervasive.

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USA Today
[email protected] -- also need to be under 200 words (fewer the better).


Progressive Magazines

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The Atlantic
[email protected]

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Mother Jones
[email protected]
or send snail mail to Backtalk, Mother Jones, P.O. Box 584, San Francisco, CA 94104-0584.

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The American Prospect
David Dayen, Executive Editor, [email protected]

The American Prospect
1225 I Street NW, Suite 600, Washington, D.C. 20005
(202) 776-0730
[email protected]

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Harper's
Harperís Magazine
666 Broadway, 11th Floor
New York, NY 10012
212-420-5720

To email us about articles in the magazine:
[email protected]

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The Nation
https://www.thenation.com/letters-editor-0/

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Washington Monthly
1200 18th Street NW
Suite 330
Washington, DC 20036
Tel: 202-955-9010, Fax: 202-955-9011


Cable News and other network news

CNN
https://www.cnn.com/feedback

MSNBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112

ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/contact
List of contacts for specific shows
https://abcnews.go.com/contact

NBC News
Assistant Managing Editor for Politics
Gregg Birnbaum / [email protected]

Assistant Managing Editor for News
Tim Perone / [email protected]

CBS News
Different contacts for evening weekday and weekend news. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/contact-information-01-08-1998/


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Response to pat_k (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:40 PM

27. If you were to create a unique post for this information then I and others so inclined,

could bookmark it for future reference. I also suggest cross posting it to the Activists Group
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1011

Awesome post, thanks.

❤ lmsp

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:08 PM

33. Do you recommend posting with a message . . .

. . to lobby for change in language, or as a general "contacts" list without specific issue?

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Response to pat_k (Reply #33)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:15 PM

35. They're not mutually exclusive. You can make both points and not lose

any effectiveness. ❤ lmsp

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:48 PM

6. white supremacist, KKK, Nazi thugs extreme RW terrorists. Nothing about them are militia.

I have posted on at least 20-25 threads on FB. Change the language.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:52 PM

8. I don't think White Supremacists is strong enough.

White Supremists or Extremists or White Power movement does not capture the fact that their goal is to terrorize POC and anti-racists. Their veiled, and not so veiled, threats to "eliminate" POC and "take back" the country for it's "rightful" white populous are terroristic threats.

To me, they are White Terrorists, plain and simple.

Also, the transition from "White Supremacists" to "White Terrorists" seems the most straightforward.

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Response to pat_k (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 03:53 PM

9. I am good with that.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:44 PM

16. Help make it happen -- letters to editors. Link to contacts

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Response to pat_k (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:55 PM

30. Well pat, I am impressed. I was hitting every site on my Fb, now I will do as you suggest.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:14 PM

10. Exactly. Illegal militias. Every one of the fifty states and Wash. DC have outlawed militias, for

good reason as we can see.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:16 PM

11. If these armed vigilantes were black, they'd be labeled thugs

They are right wing terrorists.

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Response to Hassler (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:58 PM

18. Let's push for a change in language

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:19 PM

12. Conservative terrorists or Right-Wing terrorists, to be more precise. . . . nt

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:21 PM

13. Agreed!

I heard the AG say state charges are being brought. One of the charges was being in a gang.
So, the group meets their state's definition of a gang. In Michigan, they are a terrorist gang.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:59 PM

21. Help push for change in language

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:42 PM

15. Terrorist Vigilantes. That's what they are! N/t

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:57 PM

17. I believe Right-wing Terrorists is how these illegal groups should be described by the media.

They are, after all, "militias" by traditional definition. And, based upon our country's own history, the patriots of the Battles of Lexington and Concord were "militiamen." Therefore, attempting to change the definition of what a "militia" is has uncomfortable consequences.

I also agree that these people are "White Supremacists," "White Terrorists," and "White Supremacist Terrorists."

However, I believe that labeling them instead as "Right-wing Terrorists" would be the most effective way of purging them from our society. My reasoning is that while their being "White Supremacists" and "Terrorists" is certainly true, many of their vast redneck brethren become defensive, and sympathetic to them simply because of the "White" parts of those labels.

But, if instead, we and the media were to label them "Right-wing Terrorists," the redneck, knee-jerk response to defend the "White" parts of the alternate labels would be far less likely to be triggered. In addition, it would place the right-wingers, and especially the far right-wingers, in the position of either having to defend these "militias," or renounce them. And, I can't see where defending them would be very popular. As, after all, isn't "populism" what these right-wingers and their leaders are really all about?

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Response to Brother Mythos (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:04 PM

23. Good. However. . .

Personally, I''ll be lobbying to change White Supremacists, White Extremists, White Power movement, Militias, etc. to "White Terrorists." As noted in other posts on the thread, I think this is more accurate and a simpler transition from current language. While Right-Wing Terrorist is a vast improvement, I prefer to see White included because I think this ultimately boils down to racism -- not just "right-wing" beliefs.

If you want to lobby news media to change their language (to whatever you think is best), here's a list of contacts:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214248809#post14

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 04:58 PM

19. Terror cells.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:05 PM

25. Lobby media for the term you think we need to use

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:04 PM

24. No, they're insurrectionists, rebels, traitors

We should use proper words.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:36 PM

26. Republicans. n/t

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:49 PM

28. Domestic Terrorists.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 05:52 PM

29. Do not forget to add HOME GROWN.

Doing so will leave the chance for some to claim they are foriegn out.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:03 PM

31. I don't care what we call them

as long as it enables us to deal with them the way Greece is finally starting to deal with Golden Dawn.
https://thenib.com/golden-sunset/

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:07 PM

32. If their skin wasn't white, the "Terrorist" label would have been automatic. So let's fix that!

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:09 PM

34. Treasonous murder gangs.

Their intent is to kill and to take down the United States government. They are relics from the civil war and from nazi germany. Deal with them now, there may not be a later.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:16 PM

36. Terror Cell

Thatís what they are.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:17 PM

37. I have been calling them home-grown white boy terrorists for many years.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:28 PM

38. My vote is for terror cell

And call the individuals terrorists.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Original post)

Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:40 PM

39. Vigilante terrorists. Or terrorist vigilantes.

We don't know if they are all Christian, or even all white, though they are racists.

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