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Wed Oct 7, 2020, 01:43 PM

Slate " The Moment That Should Have Changed Everything"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/trump-access-hollywood-tape-revisited.html

Four years ago this week, news broke that the Republican nominee for president, Donald J. Trump, had been caught on tape talking with Access Hollywood host Billy Bush about his habit of sexually assaulting women. In that 2005 conversation, the then-Apprentice star bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy,” kissing women before they can stop him, and “moving on” a married woman “like a bitch.” Trump already had image problems that didn’t square with either party’s idea of presidential behavior, but the tape offered testimony (from the offender’s own mouth) that he was more than just a boor: He was a predator, and he’d been caught confessing. The case against him seemed complete. The “businessman” whose casinos declared bankruptcy and whose “university” was beset with fraud allegations had established his Republican bona fides on birtherism and campaigned on building a wall and imprisoning his opponent. Now it turned out he was proud of assaulting women. Everyone could hear the truth for themselves. And nearly everyone with a platform who did—it can be hard to remember that this was true—thought this would be the ignominious end of an ugly reality TV candidacy. It seemed like the defining, karma-laden October surprise of the election. Misogyny isn’t rare—Hillary Clinton’s campaign made that crystal clear—but no one really thought a broad swath of the American public would find sexual assault not just electable but charming. That moment was not so different from the peculiar and pivotal moment we’re living through in October of 2020, with the president infected with a deadly virus whose seriousness he has downplayed for months. Only in 2016, the certainty that it was over for Trump when the Access Hollywood tape dropped was even more universal. The day after the tape was released, Mike Pence condemned what he had heard. Trump even gave something that passed for an apology. It would be the final concession he would make on the record to societal expectations of good behavior.

Then the spin began: We heard the “locker-room talk” defense—which effectively turned the world into a metaphorical “locker room” where men could be indulgently absolved of anything misogynistic they said, provided they weren’t addressing women. It was an ugly exercise in special pleading, but Fox News beat the drum and we know how it ended: An event that everyone at the time saw as manifestly disqualifying got repackaged as no big deal, and also somehow “fake news.” It even produced a handy shorthand about how Trump is a victim persecuted or held to impossible standards. We now know what that “victim” of the terrible media was up to: Trump spent those weeks in October trying to keep Stormy Daniels quiet about the affair they’d had while Melania was home with their newborn son, Barron.


In other words, it was an inflection point that didn’t come to pass, a moment when everything should have changed and didn’t. The Access Hollywood tape proved that either Republicans no longer reacted to scandal, one of their biggest political tools, or they had never been serious about the “family values” version of decency they’d spent decades professing—and saw a woman’s right to not be sexually assaulted as negotiable. (A year later, Steve Bannon would describe the moment as a “litmus test” for who Trump’s true supporters were.) Just a few days after the tape broke, and after Trump denied the veracity of its contents at a presidential debate, several women came forward to describe Trump doing variations of what Trump said he’d done to them—confirming that this wasn’t idle “locker talk” but an accurate description of his conduct. The Trump campaign called them opportunists and liars, and many Republicans followed suit. For all that the GOP claims to admire Melania Trump, by the time news broke in January 2018 that Trump had cheated on her with Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, Republicans were committed to a moral program that implicitly condoned the president groping women, sexually assaulting them, cheating on his wife, and paying hush money to cover it up. They’d already ignored more than a dozen specific allegations of sexual assault; by continuing to support Trump, the Republican position became not just politically expedient—it became the party platform. Anything Trump had done to women would not be enough for them to abandon him.

Did this debase the office of the president? Certainly. More importantly, perhaps, it clarified that the party in power had consciously decided not to see women as equal citizens under the law, but it had also decided that women were no longer worth protecting. The second bit matters: Inequality for women is hardly new, but the patriarchal compromise has long been that you sacrifice equality in exchange for masculine protection. In dispensing with even lip service toward that principle, Republicans made the fine print of that bargain—and their specific version of the offer—clear to more than half the country: You get political subjugation, and we’ll side against you with your assailant if you’re ever harassed or attacked.

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NRaleighLiberal Oct 7 OP
Roland99 Oct 7 #1
NRaleighLiberal Oct 7 #2
Roland99 Oct 7 #3
LeftInTX Oct 7 #4
central scrutinizer Oct 7 #7
IcyPeas Oct 7 #5
MyOwnPeace Oct 7 #6
mwooldri Oct 7 #8
Traildogbob Oct 7 #9
LakeArenal Oct 7 #10
DallasNE Oct 7 #11
lunatica Oct 7 #14
DallasNE Oct 7 #16
lunatica Oct 7 #19
erronis Oct 7 #17
lunatica Oct 7 #21
Escurumbele Oct 7 #12
BannonsLiver Oct 7 #13
Snake Plissken Oct 7 #15
AllaN01Bear Oct 7 #18
Initech Oct 7 #20
SoonerPride Oct 7 #22
Skittles Oct 7 #23

Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 01:44 PM

1. What moment was that?

Really helps to add at least the article headline and we can paste up to 4 paragraphs from the article

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 01:45 PM

2. I'm on my phone doing this...patience!!!

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 02:07 PM

3. :)

To me, the 'moment' was when he mocked the NYT reporter

Nov 2015
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/nov/26/donald-trump-appears-to-mock-disabled-reporter-video

Speaking at a rally in South Carolina on Tuesday night Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump seems to mock New York Times reporter Serge Kovaleski, who has a chronic condition called arthrogryposis which affects the movement of his arms. Trump imitates Kovaleski while defending comments he has made over the past few weeks, asserting that members of the Muslim communities in New Jersey celebrated following the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers in 2001. The New York Times has slammed Trump’s actions as ‘outrageous’

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 02:13 PM

4. Hollywood Access tape

We all thought he was ruined.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 02:45 PM

7. That's what I thought at the time

He’s done

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 02:14 PM

5. on a somewhat similar theme I thought Sandy Hook

massacre would've been another one of those moments that should have changed everything. But it wasn't.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 02:40 PM

6. Read the article - sad but true............

Another reason we need a landslide to cleanse the "White House" and corrupt RepubliCons from the powers of running our country.
It was chilling to read the account of events over the past four years - yes, we've all been numbed to the "crimes" of IQ45, aided and abetted by the RepubliCon Party.

We CANNOT let it continue.

GO, JOE!!!!!!!

GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!!!

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 02:59 PM

8. This is why Cal Cunningham still has a chance at the US Senate.

He got caught having an affair with someone not his wife. Thom Tillis can't use his infidelity to beat Cunningham with since Donald Trump destroyed the notion of Republican family values.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:11 PM

9. Tillis's Wife

Came out about physical abuse from Tillis. Beat women. Is that better. Maybe in Amy Covid’s warped world of Catholic extremism.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:11 PM

10. Still have babies in cages. Nt

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:37 PM

11. Money Corrupts Absolutely

Democracy doesn't work when money can overwhelm everything. Trump will have spent over $1 billion in his re-election bid. And that doesn't count the free advertising he gets on both the media and the social media. That probably runs another $300 million. A turd can be polished as this top post demonstrates. With enough money the Constitution itself can be rendered impotent. Corruption is right up there with coronavirus as the biggest problems we face as a notion but there is no vaccine for corruption.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:48 PM

14. Your reference to money corrupting absolutely is misleading.

You’re making a very common mistake. The actual saying is “The love of money corrupts absolutely.”

Money is used for good deeds too. Money itself is neutral.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:03 PM

16. Point Taken But Philanthropy Is A Tiny Fraction Of What Corrupt Money Is n/t

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:40 PM

19. I get your point

I’m just being nit picky about it because it is not logical to blame money for something corrupt humans do.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:04 PM

17. Agreeing with your use. Lunatica's comment is correct but too much money does corrupt

Especially when in the hands of unscrupulous people (trumps, repuglicons, diktators, etc.)

Having the extreme disparity of wealth has created a caste system where the filthy rich have no connection to the lower classes.

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Response to erronis (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:44 PM

21. I know bus drivers who are corrupt

Too much money just corrupts them absolutely.

Corruption is in a person’s character, not in money.

But I get what the poster is trying to say.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:44 PM

12. This line is the reality of the republican party...see inside

"they had never been serious about the “family values” version of decency they’d spent decades professing"

Religion and Patriotism are things they know moves people, but they don't care about either, they just care about power, and money.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:47 PM

13. Putin's WikiLeaks made sure that didn't happen.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 03:57 PM

15. The problem is ... this is no "moment" it's been a boiling frog experiment right from the start

The media slowly and methodically normalized Trump for the sake of ratings.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:12 PM

18. the family values thing is and always has been a racket as deflecting their bad behiviour on us .

they have contempt for the rest of us

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:44 PM

20. Any other time that would absolutely tank a presidential campaign

Shit, conservatives sank Howard Dean for yelling into a microphone.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 04:46 PM

22. When he mocked John McCain that should have ended him right then and there.

When he uttered "I like people who aren't captured" the crowd should have booed that fuckstick off the stage.

If Obama or Clinton had said that bullshit people would have rioted.

Fuck him.

And fuck his enablers.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2020, 11:19 PM

23. I quizzed quite a few men I know

they all denied that any locker room banter they have experienced references lack of consent..... and I believe them. Trump is a piece of shit PREDATOR.

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