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Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:43 PM

Luckily for me, an osteopath was willing to see me -- when the MD's wouldn't.

Because an earlier pregnancy had put me in the hospital for three weeks, I decided to get my maternity care from an OB instead of with our family practice physician – and all had been going well. Then, when I was six months pregnant, I suddenly became very ill with a fever and cough.

When I called the OB to tell them I was afraid I had pneumonia – I had had it four times in the past and recognized the symptoms – they said they couldn’t see me, because I was sick. (They didn’t want to expose anyone else.) They told me to call our family practice physician, so I did.

I told that MD’s office that I was six months pregnant, that I felt like I had pneumonia again, after four times in the past, and that the OB couldn’t see me and said I should call them. Nobody in the primary care office, not my doctor or her partners, could squeeze me in. This was a Monday. The earliest anybody could see me was on Thursday. Thursday!

Beginning to panic, I told them I couldn’t wait that long, that I was having trouble breathing, was worried about the baby, what should I do? Should I go to the emergency room, or what? And the nurse gave me the name of a newer doctor, another family practice doctor, she thought might be able to see me.

That doctor turned out to be an osteopath, and she squeezed me in that day. She confirmed that I did have pneumonia and immediately started me on an antibiotic. I saw her a few days later and, though I’d improved, I wasn’t improving fast enough, so she switched to a different antibiotic, which did resolve the problem. Later, she told me that she’d come close to putting me in the hospital, but because I had such good care at home – both my husband and sister were taking care of me – she decided I could manage there. But she called me at home every day to make sure I was still doing okay.

So two different practices full of MD’s failed me. The first, because I had a problem that didn’t involve my uterus. The second, because they had no time for an appointment for 3 days – and wouldn’t consider squeezing in a seriously ill pregnant patient.

I stayed with that osteopath through the pregnancy and afterwards, till she and her husband moved to a different part of the state. Along the way, I learned about osteopaths and their training. They are not equivalent to chiropractors or homeopaths. They are not quacks. They are fully licensed physicians, who take the same boards that allopathic physicians take.

And that osteopath – viewed as a quack to many DUers -- might have saved my life, or my baby’s life. I’ll never know but I’ll always be grateful.

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pnwmom Oct 6 OP
obnoxiousdrunk Oct 6 #1
tblue37 Oct 6 #2
Cirque du So-What Oct 6 #3
Yeehah Oct 6 #4
Siwsan Oct 6 #5
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 6 #6
pnwmom Oct 6 #8
Stinky The Clown Oct 6 #9
3catwoman3 Oct 6 #12
BusyBeingBest Oct 6 #7
obamanut2012 Oct 6 #10
unitedwethrive Oct 6 #17
dalton99a Oct 6 #19
mcar Oct 6 #11
pnwmom Oct 6 #13
mcar Oct 6 #15
dalton99a Oct 6 #14
Hekate Oct 6 #16
pnwmom Oct 6 #18
LAS14 Oct 6 #20
pnwmom Oct 6 #24
Demsrule86 Oct 6 #21
Staph Oct 6 #22
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:45 PM

1. K & R.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:46 PM

2. Thank you for posting this. I have tried to dispel the lack of understanding about DId here,

but it doesn't seem to make much of a dent.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:48 PM

3. Those who deride osteopaths as 'not real doctors'

are speaking from a position of ignorance.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:49 PM

4. I saw some really stupid posts about D.O.s on here

from some really ignorant people.

The D.O.s I've had for providers have been great.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:49 PM

5. I don't understand that anti-Osteopath way of thinking

I work with physicians from both medical branches for almost 30 years. I usually found the DOs to be much easier to work with and FAR easier to talk with about problems. (We called MDs 'M-Deities'.)



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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:50 PM

6. Dr. Conley's problem isn't that he's an osteopath.

I have no opinion about them one way or the other, having never dealt with one, but I understand that their medical training is essentially the same as MDs'. Conley's problem isn't his medical qualifications but the fact that he, like so many others in Trump's orbit, either feels obligated to lie for him or wants to lie for him. Dr. Ronnie Jackson, who is an MD, was at least as bad (and now he's a devout Trumper, running for Congress). There are a whole lot of people with stellar professional credentials who nevertheless have partaken deeply of Trump's Kool-Aid - many lawyers and military people as well as physicians - because they are morally-weak people who have allowed Trump to devour their souls.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:53 PM

8. Right. His problem is he's a full-on Trumper, apparently. And they exist in all fields. n/t

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:53 PM

9. This!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:11 PM

12. Exactly right. It is not the initials behind his name.

He has let his integrity be co-opted by an amoral person.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 02:52 PM

7. One goofball DO doesn't and shouldn't make them all look bad.

Some of the goofiest people around Trump are MD's.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:06 PM

10. I have a DO who graduated from a top-tier Med school as my primary care

doctor. She is great, the best doctor I have ever had. She is a DOCTOR, and had the same med school training as her classmates who have MDs. And, her MD classmates also had the same training as she did.

I am not a "woo" person at all, and would NEVER go to anyone who was a "woo doctor."

Oseteopaths are different in the US than other countries, much how many Americans look askance at midwives, whereas they don't in the UK.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:59 PM

17. I know of no top-tier medical schools that offer a DO degree...or a choice between the two

Do you recall the name of the school?

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Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 04:14 PM

19. There is no top-tier DO school comparable to any of the Big Brand powerhouses. However,

I know that the state-funded DO schools (e.g. Texas, Michigan, Ohio) with reserved seats in local hospitals offer a solid medical education with rotations comparable to their state MD school counterparts. The lack of research opportunities is an obvious problem for matching into certain specialties, but then I'd say most DO students self-select into primary care, and the match data reflect that

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:09 PM

11. Thanks for this

The denigration of DOs here has been disturbing, to say the least. I've worked with and had as physicians quite a few and I've never had an issue with them.

Slam Dr. Conley all you want, but to tar all DOs with the same insults makes no sense.

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Response to mcar (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:49 PM

13. A combination of ignorance and snobbery, it seems. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:57 PM

15. Seems so. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:56 PM

14. They are the source of primary care for many Americans


Many are working in ICUs and ERs around the country and in military bases abroad

The insults against them on DU are ignorant and disgraceful


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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 03:57 PM

16. Thank you for that info, pnwmom. I'm so glad for the good outcome...

It’s the best thing I’ve heard all day, and it made me cry.

Sounds to me like Trump’s personal doc simply has the same personal flaws as so many of those who find themselves in his orbit: they find themselves overwhelmed by his dominance and Will to Power. Someone wrote a whole book about that: Everything Trump Touches Dies.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 04:11 PM

18. Aw, thank you, Hekate!

It was scary for a while there, but it all worked out in the end.



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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 04:14 PM

20. Thanks for the post. Our local whole hospital in Maine (summer place)...

... is an osteopathic hospital. Fine, complete care. I went there with a stroke. They were smart enough to have me sent to Maine Medical in Portland. But I credit them for that decision. I don't understand this antipathy to osteopaths. They get MORE training than MDs.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 05:11 PM

24. I once saw their special training in action, with a different osteopath.

I was still taking my high school son to a pediatrician, when he somehow injured himself at a basketball game -- and was complaining of severe chest pain. I called his doctor and she wasn't in that day, but one of her associates could see us right away -- an osteopath.

Because of this doctor's training he was able to both diagnose and treat my son in a few minutes. After hearing my son's story, listening to his heart, and gently feeling his back, he said that my son's apparent chest pain was referred pain from his back. My son had been growing so quickly (true) that his back muscles weren't quite able to hold his spine in place (I'm misstating this, I'm sure, more than a decade later, but you get the idea). So something had gotten out of alignment. While my son sat in the chair, the doctor asked him to turn his head, and then reached back and quickly did something and it was all fixed. My son went from trembling with pain to completely fine in a couple seconds. Then the doctor gave my son instructions for some back strengthening exercises he could do at home.

The problem with his spine happened a couple times after that, my son told me, but somehow he could fix it himself, after the doctor did it the first time.

We were lucky that my son's particular problem dovetailed perfectly with the doctor-on-call's special expertise.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 04:34 PM

21. I had an osteopath who was my family doctor the entire time we lived in Ohio until he retired...

loved him and miss him. I go to Cleveland Clinic now...a premier medical center but I like my DO much better. He also saved my depressed daughter when MD psychiatrist almost killed her. DO's take medical boards just like anyone else...Some states you get to choose if you want to be a DO or and MD.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 05:08 PM

22. All of my myriad doctors are MDs, but ...

their care of me truly varies. The specialists only see me as a nail for their particular hammer. The oncologist sees me as a cancer, the nephrologist sees me as a pair of kidneys, and the rheumatologist sees me as a whole big bag of joints.

But my primary care doc sees me as the whole person. She looks at all of the reports from the others and asks me questions that tie that information together. And she is concerned with my mental health, too, how all of my health issues are effecting my life. From what I have read of osteopaths, she has the same sort of mind-and-body-together attitude. She's one of the best physicians I've ever had.


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Response to Staph (Reply #22)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 05:13 PM

25. Right. Good osteopaths are like good primary care M.D.'s -- they both try to see the whole person,

rather than a collection of parts.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Tue Oct 6, 2020, 05:11 PM

23. My primary care for years was a DO, an excellent doctor

He retired or I'd still be going to him.

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