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"I won't have my daughter bringing a Black man into this house…" (Original Post) MrScorpio Sep 2012 OP
LOL Drunken Irishman Sep 2012 #1
Cute Xipe Totec Sep 2012 #2
Don't let Trumad see it... kurtzapril4 Sep 2012 #18
Love it. Brilliant. DollarBillHines Sep 2012 #3
When I was a teen-ager in the '70s, Ednahilda Sep 2012 #4
1976, Tempe, Arizona. Friend of ours from across the street. Forbidden. byronius Sep 2012 #5
It's not a "primate" thing(humans aren't apes!). AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #11
"It's not a "primate" thing(humans aren't apes!)." yesphan Sep 2012 #13
Actually, we are. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #21
Re: "And it often shows." AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #22
It's that whole thing about nichomachus Sep 2012 #24
I don't get it......nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #25
It was a joke nichomachus Sep 2012 #27
Sorry....=) nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #30
Don't like to disagree. Must disagree. byronius Sep 2012 #32
Piffle. enlightenment Sep 2012 #28
Agreed! nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #31
great post and welcome to du DonRedwood Sep 2012 #8
Friend of mine in 2003 was dating a black guy and her parents freaked out XemaSab Sep 2012 #9
I was instructed never to roody Sep 2012 #16
A friend never met his paternal grandparents as they disowned his father for whathehell Sep 2012 #29
LOL, someone got RICKROLLED when they actually read that article. Zalatix Sep 2012 #6
Beautiful. alittlelark Sep 2012 #7
Well God Bless Little Lucy. LOL! nolabear Sep 2012 #10
This is The Onion from 2010 oberliner Sep 2012 #12
...no black man will ever set foot in here until I've had time to whip up a quick bruschetta... progressoid Sep 2012 #23
That's what my S in L said (first two lines) when her granddaughter married a black man. Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #14
Brought back some not-so-fond memories! ChazInAz Sep 2012 #15
bless you and your wonderful family. :D roguevalley Sep 2012 #20
That's what I'm Cha Sep 2012 #17
My White mother married a Black Man in 1957..... FrenchieCat Sep 2012 #19
cute ;-) Matariki Sep 2012 #26

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
2. Cute
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:51 PM
Sep 2012

I'm glad I read though the article, carefully, before going off like a fireworks magazine in the middle of a lightning storm.

Ednahilda

(195 posts)
4. When I was a teen-ager in the '70s,
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 08:57 PM
Sep 2012

my parents told me that I was not allowed to date a black person - not that there was one to be found anywhere near our rural community. My much-younger sister, born in 1980, married a fellow who has a black mother and a white father; he's definitely dark skinned and really stands out when he's with our very German family. My parents love their son-in-law and can't wait for more grandchildren. Sometimes the passage of time makes all the difference.

byronius

(7,389 posts)
5. 1976, Tempe, Arizona. Friend of ours from across the street. Forbidden.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:16 PM
Sep 2012

He was a great guy, but he was black -- and they drew the line. As if it were Logical.

They seemed like such nice people until then.

Actually, my parents were mild bigots.

It's a primate thing, at its roots. The Other.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
11. It's not a "primate" thing(humans aren't apes!).
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:09 PM
Sep 2012

Sorry to say this, but that kinda thing bothers me because it sometimes seems to imply that people aren't really responsible for their actions regarding bigotry, even if that wasn't the intent(which it wasn't in this case, of course.).

Xenophobia, racism, and other forms of bigotry are always learned. They are never inborn.

byronius

(7,389 posts)
32. Don't like to disagree. Must disagree.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 05:14 AM
Sep 2012

Solid anthropology behind this. Outliers and cooperaters are evidence as well.

Half nature, half nurture, and the nature is thirty million years old.

Responsibility? Is that a spiritual thing? I could accept that.

But the deeper truth -- the flat truth --

We're patterns. Electrical patterns written in meat. We started as proteinoids. Even they tribed out.

The contest is not yet finished.

Is responsibility learned like bigotry?

Are low-dominance-switchers more guilty? Abusers who abuse more guilty?

Confusing The Primate with Moral Intuition is a mistake.

I think you should read The Psychopathic God. Borderline Personality Disorder was everyone, less than ten thousand years ago. No one likes to admit to the Machine, but it is fact. The rage arising at the thought is part of the Machine.

We shrink from it, because the thought is frightening. Reject the science, but know that it is because the thought is frightening, not because the science is wrong. The bundle of neurons is pulsing in a chemical bath, singing thirty million year old songs. Good parenting helps. Higher brain functions (like dominance-switching) help. But the thirty million years rules.

Julian Jaynes is clear on this issue -- we're Brand New. And we all have to fight dysfunctional, ancient ancestors. It's part of It.

Responsibility? Yes, let's do that. Hmmm. Where to start?

I don't mean to be cryptic. But these issues are extremely dense, impenetrable until you get into studying The Machine.

Tribalistic primates are all around you. Some people rise above, some cannot -- protect yourself and others, certainly, but Judge -- ?

I do it too. Not intellectually correct, though.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
28. Piffle.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 04:56 PM
Sep 2012

My parent's were born in the early 1920s. My mother was born and raised in the Deep South and my dad from a heritage of mid-west farmers. By that reasoning, they should have been bigots.

They were anything but - they judged people by their character, not their color.

Yes, human beings "other" - but "othering" can and does take on a lot more than just race, particularly in the modern world. It's a complex idea and shouldn't be reduced to a pop psychology slogan.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
9. Friend of mine in 2003 was dating a black guy and her parents freaked out
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:00 PM
Sep 2012

This was in San Jose, California.

That attitude is not as far in the past as one would hope.

roody

(10,849 posts)
16. I was instructed never to
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:49 PM
Sep 2012

marry a Catholic. We were Baptist. Another race did not even occur to my parents.

whathehell

(29,026 posts)
29. A friend never met his paternal grandparents as they disowned his father for
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:54 PM
Sep 2012

marrying his catholic mother, even though the children were raised protestant.

progressoid

(49,933 posts)
23. ...no black man will ever set foot in here until I've had time to whip up a quick bruschetta...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:03 AM
Sep 2012


It's a goddamned shame, I tell you. Mark my words, no black man will ever set foot in here until I've had time to whip up a quick bruschetta at the very least!



Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
14. That's what my S in L said (first two lines) when her granddaughter married a black man.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:29 PM
Sep 2012

Now she has two absolutely adorable granddaughters. The whole family loves him...times change!

ChazInAz

(2,556 posts)
15. Brought back some not-so-fond memories!
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Sep 2012

My Russo-British parents were never certain whether I was going to marry a "White Girl". You could hear the capitals when they said it. This was in the late Sixties and they had the typical low-key racism of their generation in central Illinois. I was utterly indifferent to race, and that scared them. Your humble dated every single Asian girl in my high school (Grand total of three.), the single Native American girl and discovered that African-American girls were utterly delightful. Carried on with that program through college and after. Strangely, I wound up marrying a cute little Irish girl. When my grandmother first saw her, she noticed the little round face and dark brown eyes peeking out of a fur-lined hooded winter coat. The grand dame declared in her Scots accent...."Ah, God! He's after marrying an Eskimo!"
My "Eskimo" passed away two years ago. Our kids have made me proud: my son-in-law is a Latino veteran of the Marines. My single son usually goes out with Black sisters. They've told me I was an example for them.
Sometimes, it's nice to know you've raised 'em right.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
19. My White mother married a Black Man in 1957.....
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:04 AM
Sep 2012

In France, and later me and my brother were born.

My Black daughter married a White Man in 2007 in Boston.

Life for all of us has been very excellent!

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