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Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)I'm glad I read though the article, carefully, before going off like a fireworks magazine in the middle of a lightning storm.
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)This could be closer to the mark than most folks realize.
Ednahilda
(195 posts)my parents told me that I was not allowed to date a black person - not that there was one to be found anywhere near our rural community. My much-younger sister, born in 1980, married a fellow who has a black mother and a white father; he's definitely dark skinned and really stands out when he's with our very German family. My parents love their son-in-law and can't wait for more grandchildren. Sometimes the passage of time makes all the difference.
byronius
(7,389 posts)He was a great guy, but he was black -- and they drew the line. As if it were Logical.
They seemed like such nice people until then.
Actually, my parents were mild bigots.
It's a primate thing, at its roots. The Other.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Sorry to say this, but that kinda thing bothers me because it sometimes seems to imply that people aren't really responsible for their actions regarding bigotry, even if that wasn't the intent(which it wasn't in this case, of course.).
Xenophobia, racism, and other forms of bigotry are always learned. They are never inborn.
yesphan
(1,587 posts)Actually, we are apes, but I get your point.
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)And it often shows.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)How so, in your view?
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)picking bugs and stuff off each others backs
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)byronius
(7,389 posts)Solid anthropology behind this. Outliers and cooperaters are evidence as well.
Half nature, half nurture, and the nature is thirty million years old.
Responsibility? Is that a spiritual thing? I could accept that.
But the deeper truth -- the flat truth --
We're patterns. Electrical patterns written in meat. We started as proteinoids. Even they tribed out.
The contest is not yet finished.
Is responsibility learned like bigotry?
Are low-dominance-switchers more guilty? Abusers who abuse more guilty?
Confusing The Primate with Moral Intuition is a mistake.
I think you should read The Psychopathic God. Borderline Personality Disorder was everyone, less than ten thousand years ago. No one likes to admit to the Machine, but it is fact. The rage arising at the thought is part of the Machine.
We shrink from it, because the thought is frightening. Reject the science, but know that it is because the thought is frightening, not because the science is wrong. The bundle of neurons is pulsing in a chemical bath, singing thirty million year old songs. Good parenting helps. Higher brain functions (like dominance-switching) help. But the thirty million years rules.
Julian Jaynes is clear on this issue -- we're Brand New. And we all have to fight dysfunctional, ancient ancestors. It's part of It.
Responsibility? Yes, let's do that. Hmmm. Where to start?
I don't mean to be cryptic. But these issues are extremely dense, impenetrable until you get into studying The Machine.
Tribalistic primates are all around you. Some people rise above, some cannot -- protect yourself and others, certainly, but Judge -- ?
I do it too. Not intellectually correct, though.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)My parent's were born in the early 1920s. My mother was born and raised in the Deep South and my dad from a heritage of mid-west farmers. By that reasoning, they should have been bigots.
They were anything but - they judged people by their character, not their color.
Yes, human beings "other" - but "othering" can and does take on a lot more than just race, particularly in the modern world. It's a complex idea and shouldn't be reduced to a pop psychology slogan.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)This was in San Jose, California.
That attitude is not as far in the past as one would hope.
roody
(10,849 posts)marry a Catholic. We were Baptist. Another race did not even occur to my parents.
whathehell
(29,026 posts)marrying his catholic mother, even though the children were raised protestant.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)alittlelark
(18,888 posts)nolabear
(41,930 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Here's the longer version:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-wont-have-my-daughter-bringing-a-black-man-into,17246/
progressoid
(49,933 posts)It's a goddamned shame, I tell you. Mark my words, no black man will ever set foot in here until I've had time to whip up a quick bruschetta at the very least!
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Now she has two absolutely adorable granddaughters. The whole family loves him...times change!
ChazInAz
(2,556 posts)My Russo-British parents were never certain whether I was going to marry a "White Girl". You could hear the capitals when they said it. This was in the late Sixties and they had the typical low-key racism of their generation in central Illinois. I was utterly indifferent to race, and that scared them. Your humble dated every single Asian girl in my high school (Grand total of three.), the single Native American girl and discovered that African-American girls were utterly delightful. Carried on with that program through college and after. Strangely, I wound up marrying a cute little Irish girl. When my grandmother first saw her, she noticed the little round face and dark brown eyes peeking out of a fur-lined hooded winter coat. The grand dame declared in her Scots accent...."Ah, God! He's after marrying an Eskimo!"
My "Eskimo" passed away two years ago. Our kids have made me proud: my son-in-law is a Latino veteran of the Marines. My single son usually goes out with Black sisters. They've told me I was an example for them.
Sometimes, it's nice to know you've raised 'em right.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Cha
(296,780 posts)Talkin' About!
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)In France, and later me and my brother were born.
My Black daughter married a White Man in 2007 in Boston.
Life for all of us has been very excellent!