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Tue Sep 29, 2020, 02:48 PM

The New Yorker article. And a Seth Abramson comment.

The 27 Sept. 2020 issue of The New Yorker is out. And in there is an article about should-have-been-strangled-at-birth Republican icon, James Baker. Who thinks the orange, infantile, unspeakable disgrace™ is “nuts” - but he voted for him anyway. And will soon do so again. So eff that guy.

But it's down a bit in The New Yorker piece is this paragraph, one that caught Seth Abramson's attention:

"The next time (Baker) recalled hearing much about Trump was a couple of years later, when Baker was stepping down from the Cabinet to manage (George H.) Bush’s campaign for President, in 1988. Trump sent word through Bush’s campaign adviser Lee Atwater offering himself up as a Vice-Presidential running mate - a proposal that Bush dismissed as “strange and unbelievable,” an assessment Baker shared."

What? 1988? About which Seth Abramson wrote:

"So I don't care about hearing unprincipled tripe from a shameful Trump apologist like James Baker. What I am interested in in this article, is the revelation that less than 24 months after he returned from a KGB-sponsored trip to Moscow - Donald Trump tried to become Vice-President of the United States!
...after Trump returned from Moscow the KGB "stepped up its spying campaign against him...targeting him to gain information about the 'upper echelons of the U.S. government.'" And what was Trump doing? Trying to become Vice President of the United States!"

And I'm with Seth!! So I dug a bit deeper. From some other sources:

Still the Soviet Union, in 1984 General Kryuchkov, the head of the First Chief Directorate responsible for gathering foreign intelligence, was dissatisfied with the intelligence it was getting from the field, especially its lack of success recruiting US citizens. Toward that objective he directed KGB officers to “make bolder use of material incentives”, i.e., money. And use flattery, an important tool. (And guess who comes along and vulnerable to both...?)

OK. How do we know this? General Kryuchkov put his instructions to his KGB heads of station in a memo - dated February 1, 1984 - with instructions that it was to be destroyed right after reading.

Oops!!

The KGB head in Great Britain copied them and passed them to - British intelligence. And those memos were published in a book in 1991. You can buy it and read those memos yourself!

KGB HQ advised its field agents what to look for in a successful recruitment of “prominent figures in the West.” The directorate’s aim was to draw the target “into some form of collaboration with us.” Suggested first tactic? Invite a target to lunch. If the target is responsive, he would become a “subject of deep study," a file would be built up supplemented by official and covert material. (There were other questions, too: what was the likelihood that the “subject could come to power (occupy the post of president or prime minister?”)

Jesus.

In Trump's shitty book, The Art of the Deal, Trump describes a meeting with the Soviet ambassador to the U.N. At lunch, in New York in the fall of 1986. Gee? A lunch, you say? Three months later, The Art of the Deal:

“In January 1987, I got a letter from Yuri Dubinin, the Soviet ambassador to the United States... (who) had expressed interest in pursuing a joint venture to construct and manage a hotel in Moscow.”

"....draw the target “into some form of collaboration with us.” Bingo!

He was invited to Moscow to discuss this "collaboration". The top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB.

Six months later (on the 4th of July of all days) Trump flew to Moscow. He was put up in Lenin’s suite at the National Hotel, a KGB hotel. With the cameras rolling...

(N.B.: 1987 is also the year Trump met and palled around with - Jeffrey Epstein. And the Russians definitely had a dossier on him! Probably the photos and videos being the leverage the Russians would have over Trump.)

Seth wrote that it was less than 24 months after Trump returned from Moscow in July of 1987 that he tried to become VP. In looking at the dates and the time Baker stepped down from Treasury, he was right that it was less than 24-months. It was 14.

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Reply The New Yorker article. And a Seth Abramson comment. (Original post)
Grins Sep 29 OP
empedocles Sep 29 #1
AZ8theist Sep 29 #14
empedocles Sep 29 #21
AZ8theist Sep 29 #22
empedocles Sep 29 #23
Grins Sep 30 #27
asiliveandbreathe Sep 29 #2
SleeplessinSoCal Sep 29 #11
Me. Sep 29 #3
stillcool Sep 29 #4
The Magistrate Sep 29 #5
dameatball Sep 29 #6
Danmel Sep 29 #7
rickyhall Sep 29 #8
LymphocyteLover Sep 29 #9
BComplex Sep 30 #25
LymphocyteLover Sep 30 #26
ancianita Sep 29 #10
neohippie Sep 29 #12
Grins Sep 30 #28
neohippie Sep 30 #29
octoberlib Sep 29 #13
BSdetect Sep 29 #15
More_Cowbell Sep 29 #16
BlueNProud Sep 29 #17
Mira Sep 29 #18
Sherman A1 Sep 29 #19
ffr Sep 29 #20
Manifestor_of_Light Sep 29 #24

Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 02:54 PM

1. Ah. More puzzle pieces that fit so well.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:18 PM

14. I used to work on NYC. Been saying this shit for decades

Nobody wanted to listen. The rubes thought he was a "brilliant business man".
All of us back in the tri state area knew this was bullshit. We KNEW he was a cheap con man and in deep do-do with the Russian mob.
The only thing "brilliant " about this imbecile was the con job he pulled on America.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 07:17 PM

21. Have you read any of Craig Unger's stuff [Russian Mob]. Ever note in NYC and

trump/gotti stories?

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Response to empedocles (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 07:41 PM

22. No, I haven't but will look that up..

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 08:46 PM

23. Book title, House of Trump/House of Putin - Unger

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Response to empedocles (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:22 AM

27. I knew about Gotti and more.

But I think I got it from David Cay Johnston.

But more than Gotti, Trump was in with Philadelphia mob boss, 'Little Nicky' Scarfo of the Genovese and Lucchese crime families. Nicky, being particularly violent mobster, was once tried for for murder. He was acquitted. Because South Philly mobster, Jimmy 'the Brute' DiNatale, who was named 26 times in a New Jersey Organized Crime Commission report, provided him with an alibi.

And who is Jimmy 'the Brute' DiNatale's granddaughter? Kellyanne Conway. Yup! The Bowling Green massacre survivor herself!

To complete that picture, Salvy Testa and Frank Narducci Jr., who were hitmen for 'Little Nicky', owned a 5,000-square-foot lot in Atlantic City they had bought for $195,000. Five years later they sold it for $1.1 million - a mere 564% appreciation - to Trump.

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 03:06 PM

2. And in the coming days may this information be subject of discussion...

Bubble up to the top...the strategy of Lee Atwater continues..until we stop it - Nov 3rd..GOTV..

Thanks for this Grins..important read...

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Response to asiliveandbreathe (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:27 PM

11. The Lee Atwater strategy will never end.

Coupled with a for profit news media, the odds are always against us.

Fix the tax code.

Fix the news media

Fix a broken America.

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 03:07 PM

3. So The Guy Betrays His Country & Baker Is Still Going To Vote For Him?

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 03:09 PM

4. oy...got to make some room in my mind

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 03:09 PM

5. That Is Quite A Case, Sir




"Not enough for conviction, but more than enough to break knees in an alley."



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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:03 PM

6. Like Malcolm Nance says "Coincidences take a lot of work."....may be paraphrasing, but whatever.

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:10 PM

7. Good old Jim "fuck the Jews" Baker

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:10 PM

8. So this was going on during the Cold War.

Which may meet the Constitutional Criteria for its definition of Treason. Hmm...

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:13 PM

9. this info is out there and not hard to find

it drives me crazy that so many people in our politics and media choose to ignore it.

TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN ASSET/AGENT, FFS

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 02:55 AM

25. Well, since "Everything Trump Touches Dies", I think he's probably as bad for them as for us.

That may be why Putin is messing with trump right now.

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Response to BComplex (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 08:11 AM

26. "messing with trump"? How so?

I think probably Putin is pretty happy about the death, chaos and division here in the US under trump but may not be happy in terms of his larger geopolitical goals, like getting sanctions removed

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:15 PM

10. Helluva story. Thank you.

Just the VP story alone is jarring.

It shows just how long Russia's been committed to going after the West by going after what was its most powerful country.



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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:43 PM

12. What's the book in 1991

What is the book from 1991 with the KGB memo published in it called?

Can you cite the source of this below

The KGB head in Great Britain copied them and passed them to - British intelligence. And those memos were published in a book in 1991. You can buy it and read those memos yourself!

KGB HQ advised its field agents what to look for in a successful recruitment of “prominent figures in the West.” The directorate’s aim was to draw the target “into some form of collaboration with us.” Suggested first tactic? Invite a target to lunch. If the target is responsive, he would become a “subject of deep study," a file would be built up supplemented by official and covert material. (There were other questions, too: what was the likelihood that the “subject could come to power (occupy the post of president or prime minister?”)

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Response to neohippie (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 09:28 AM

28. Book title

"Comrade Kryuchkov’s Instructions: Top Secret Files on KGB Foreign Operations 1975–1985.". Authors: Oleg Gordievsky and Christopher Andrew

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Response to Grins (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

29. Thanks

I also found this Politico article that pretty much shares your research

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 04:52 PM

13. In 2016, I read a book by John O'Donnell ,

an ex-executive at Trump Plaza Casino on Trump. He worked for Trump from 1987- 1990 and described a scene of Trump getting off a plane from Moscow and driving straight to the casino. O'Donnell said he was dumbfounded because the first words out of Trump's mouth were about how NATO needed to be broken up and other foreign policy stuff ; he'd never heard Trump mention any of this stuff before. Their conversations were always about business. O'Donnell wrote this book in 1991. It's called Trumped!: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump—His Cunning Rise and Spectacular Fall

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:21 PM

15. They recruited drumpf as their useful double idiot

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:32 PM

16. The 4th of July is the day the Moscow 8 visited in 2018

I think that Putin gets some pleasure out of making Americans grovel to him on our independence day.

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:38 PM

17. Surprising that Baker is a Trumper

Given his longstanding role as Bush family consigliere.

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:50 PM

18. One of my favorite sobriquets for him among many that are not fit for most ears

is simply "Agent Orange"

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:53 PM

19. K&R

Very interesting read and I don't doubt a bit of it.

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 05:55 PM

20. Politico story from 2017 mirrors all the facts of this too

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Response to Grins (Original post)

Tue Sep 29, 2020, 08:48 PM

24. LincolnsBible has been pointing this out for a few years. Donnie is a CI (snitch).

Extensive documentation of Donnie's Mob ties from birth, to the Gambino and Genovese crime families. Now it's Russian and Ukrainian mobsters that own him. She even goes back to Fred Trump Sr., Meyer Lansky and Al Capone. "The FBI has tapes!"

twitter.com/LincolnsBible

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