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Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:49 PM

Do we know how the Times got his tax records?

What were their sources?
Divulged or anonymous?
Iím sure he will deny all of it.
Iím hoping itís some of his accountants.

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Reply Do we know how the Times got his tax records? (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Sep 27 OP
BKDem Sep 27 #1
marble falls Sep 27 #5
brush Sep 27 #15
Sneederbunk Sep 27 #2
frazzled Sep 27 #3
RandySF Sep 27 #4
Laelth Sep 27 #6
Funtatlaguy Sep 27 #11
Wellstone ruled Sep 27 #14
5X Sep 27 #7
dalton99a Sep 27 #8
PirateRo Sep 27 #9
Funtatlaguy Sep 27 #12
MustLoveBeagles Sep 27 #17
marble falls Sep 27 #10
JI7 Sep 27 #16
marble falls Sep 27 #19
llmart Sep 27 #20
marble falls Sep 27 #22
Bev54 Sep 27 #13
AnnaLee Sep 27 #18
Cicada Sep 27 #23
Cicada Sep 27 #21
chowder66 Sep 27 #24

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:51 PM

1. I have to believe the Times has vetted the shit out of this

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Response to BKDem (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:56 PM

5. I agree. NYT would not like this to blow up in thier faces if it were false.

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Response to BKDem (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:07 PM

15. They probably have years of financial records not his actual 1040 docs.

If they do have them I doubt they would admit itólegal liability.

And the Manhattan DA is still trying to get them through the courts.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:52 PM

2. How long have they had them?

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:52 PM

3. News organizations don't reveal sources.

They say they will not in the article. They did say the sources had LEGAL access to the documents and materials.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:52 PM

4. Banks would have copies

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:57 PM

6. No clue.

My guess would be Deutsche Bank. Some bank insider, probably, anonymously sent them to a Times reporter who then confirmed with that source on condition of maintaining anonymity.

A Federal Judge already told Cy Vance that he could have gotten the returns if he really wanted them (signaling that there was no legal bar to their release). Someone at the bank probably felt that was good enough and released them.

But, no. We donít really know yet.

No way the Times is going to ruin their reputation just to hurt Trump a little in an election that he is already losing. The story is quite believable.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:59 PM

11. I'm hoping Deutsche Bank and the Russian ties are revealed.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:07 PM

14. Were not those ties

revealed in that thousands of pages of FinCen that dropped two weeks ago? BTW,the press sure laid down on that one. Who ever thinks the Press is free,better think before they say it. Read a few of the Documents in that PDF,disclosures of Tin Pot Dictators moving money via Shell Companies and a string of Banks seems to be the coin of every realm.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:58 PM

7. This is NYTimes Pre-Christmas sale version of the October Surprise.

Trying to beat everyone to the punch.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:58 PM

8. Most likely someone in the financial industry

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:59 PM

9. From the Times

An Editorís Note on the Trump Tax Investigation
The New York Times has examined decades of President Trumpís financial records, assembling the most comprehensive picture yet of his business dealings.

Dean Baquet
By Dean Baquet
Sept. 27, 2020
Updated 5:32 p.m. ET

Today we are publishing the results of an examination of decades of personal and corporate tax records for President Trump and his businesses in the United States and abroad. The records stretch from his days as a high-profile New York real estate investor through the beginning of his time in the White House.

A team of New York Times reporters has pored over this information to assemble the most comprehensive picture of the presidentís finances and business dealings to date, and we will continue our reporting and publish additional articles about our findings in the weeks ahead. We are not making the records themselves public because we do not want to jeopardize our sources, who have taken enormous personal risks to help inform the public.

We are publishing this report because we believe citizens should understand as much as possible about their leaders and representatives ó their priorities, their experiences and also their finances. Every president since the mid-1970s has made his tax information public. The tradition ensures that an official with the power to shake markets and change policy does not seek to benefit financially from his actions.

Mr. Trump, one of the wealthiest presidents in the nationís history, has broken with that practice. As a candidate and as president, Mr. Trump has said he wanted to make his tax returns public, but he has never done so. In fact, he has fought relentlessly to hide them from public view and has falsely asserted that he could not release them because he was being audited by the Internal Revenue Service. More recently, Mr. Trump and the Justice Department have fought subpoenas from congressional and New York State investigators seeking his taxes and other financial records.
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Our latest findings build on our previous reporting about the presidentís finances. The records show a significant gap between what Mr. Trump has said to the public and what he has disclosed to federal tax authorities over many years. They also underscore why citizens would want to know about their presidentís finances: Mr. Trumpís businesses appear to have benefited from his position, and his far-flung holdings have created potential conflicts between his own financial interests and the nationís diplomatic interests.

The reporters who examined these records have been covering the presidentís finances and taxes for almost four years. Their work on this and other projects was guided by Paul Fishleder, a senior investigative editor, and Matthew Purdy, a deputy managing editor who oversees investigations and special projects at The Times.

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Some will raise questions about publishing the presidentís personal tax information. But the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that the First Amendment allows the press to publish newsworthy information that was legally obtained by reporters even when those in power fight to keep it hidden. That powerful principle of the First Amendment applies here.
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Dean Baquet became the executive editor of The Times in May 2014 after serving as managing editor and Washington bureau chief. He was previously the editor of the Los Angeles Times.

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Response to PirateRo (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:00 PM

12. Very interesting. Thank you.

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Response to PirateRo (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:10 PM

17. +1

Thank you for this.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:59 PM

10. It might be the Trump campaign leaking this before someone else does closer to Nov 3 ...

If you can't stop bad news, get in front of it and blunt it as much as possible: basic damage control 101.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:09 PM

16. No fucking way.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:14 PM

19. Did you see how cool he played it at the press conference? I waited for him to blow up ...

per his usual and walk out. I was very disappointed when he didn't.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:18 PM

20. His handlers have tripled his dose of whatever he snorts up his ugly nose.

They probably wouldn't let him go out there until he was coked up.

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Response to llmart (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:20 PM

22. I want him sweat soaked and runny nosed at the election.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:03 PM

13. No and don't expect to find out

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:13 PM

18. My first knee jerk thought was - is this a setup?

Then I realized that it didn't matter. Trump can either let the numbers stand or put it out for everyone to see. If he thinks the truth is better that the NYT reports, let him open his books.

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Response to AnnaLee (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:28 PM

23. The NYT would publish only if 100% certain the documents are real

There source must be impeccable plus there must be independent confirmation. The NYT for the 2018 story said they believed getting that story wrong would be the end of the NYT and possibly the end of the free press in the US. The authors had to prove accuracy of every word in the 2018 to outside lawyers. Proof, double rock solid proof.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:20 PM

21. Mary Trump got old records from a lawsuit against Trump

She turned over about 100,000 pages leading to the Oct 2018 NYT article. She had internal accounting records, bank statements. Comparing internal records with tax returns proved that the Trump family committed massive tax fraud. Tax returns did not match internal records. This story seems to be just tax returns. Lenders and insurers could legally obtain those. Maybe someone in a lawsuit could get them like Mary did.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 09:48 PM

24. From the article

House Democrats who have been in hot pursuit of Mr. Trumpís tax returns most likely have no idea that at least some of the records are sitting in a congressional office building. George Yin, a former chief of staff for the joint committee, said that any identifying information about taxpayers under review was tightly held among a handful of staff lawyers and was rarely shared with politicians assigned to the committee.

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