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Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:54 PM

"Trump refuses to leave office" - what exactly does that mean?

Almost daily we hear references to Trump refusing to leave office should he fail to win reelection this November.

Do we know how that might play out?

At some point shortly after the election the transition process begins.

For example, the Oval Office is completely stripped down and emptied – including removing the rug down to the bare floor.

President elect Biden along with immediate staff members will start to receive intelligence and other briefings, meet with military leaders, meet with members of the intelligence community, and address Secret Service and other WH security issues.

A series of ongoing meetings will be scheduled between members of the Biden transition team and their opposite numbers in the WH.

Indeed, Trump will be expected to invite president elect Biden to meet with him at the WH.

Biden West Wing staff members will be issued their credentials, assigned to WH phone, email, and network access, and assigned to offices – and they’ll be moving into those offices come January 21, 2021, if not sooner.

The transition from one administration to another will be facilitated by Federal agencies with Federal workers in a robotic fashion, consistent with the law, policy, and over 200 years of tradition – oblivious to a soon-to-be former president ‘refusing to leave.’

Last, plans will be underway for Biden’s inauguration, with members of Congress, the judiciary, the Washington political establishment, and thousands of Americans in attendance.

Given all of this and more, what exactly are the mechanics of Trump ‘refusing to leave’?

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Reply "Trump refuses to leave office" - what exactly does that mean? (Original post)
J_William_Ryan Sep 2020 OP
marybourg Sep 2020 #1
StClone Sep 2020 #2
BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #14
Mister Ed Sep 2020 #3
Le Roi de Pot Sep 2020 #8
napi21 Sep 2020 #4
lettucebe Sep 2020 #5
SoonerPride Sep 2020 #17
Laelth Sep 2020 #6
subterranean Sep 2020 #9
Laelth Sep 2020 #11
beachbumbob Sep 2020 #7
Fiendish Thingy Sep 2020 #10
soothsayer Sep 2020 #12
frazzled Sep 2020 #13
gristy Sep 2020 #15
Takket Sep 2020 #16
Progressive Jones Sep 2020 #18

Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:59 PM

1. That none of the action items you list actually happen.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:59 PM

2. He loses, he does the Perp walk--simple enough

What's to contest, he hasn't a legal, public or historic support to be there. King-Emperor-dictator? Nope LOSER be gone, don.

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Response to StClone (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:35 PM

14. Ditto on 'perp walk'

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:59 PM

3. Very little.

I am not the President be of the United States, and I can't change that fact by refusing to acknowledge it.

After January 20th, Trump will not be President of the United States, and he will not be able to change that fact by refusing to acknowledge it.

Now, if course, I lack the means to stage a coup and install myself as dictator. Trump probably lacks the means, but we must anticipate that he might try it.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:19 PM

8. Much sooner

 

He will make Pence the president and get himself a pardon for everything.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:11 PM

4. I think DT will rant & rave all he can. He'll file as many law suits as possible and garner as much

face time as he can. He'll try to stop any changes in the WH & stop any transition moves to his life & residence hat he can. As we get closer to 1/20/2021 & he hasn't won any suits he will secretly begin backing off. I don't believe he will ever get to the point when he's physically removed from the WH. THAT would hurt his ego way too much. He'll leave, but will fight for any aiar time he can scrape up to continue elling about how horrible he was treated.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:12 PM

5. It means nothing

If Biden wins, he will be escorted out of the White House as soon as Biden is sworn in. No big deal. Hope he's got his ticket to Russia in hand (though I'm sure Russia doesn't want him -- he's no longer of any use to Putin).

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Response to lettucebe (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:48 PM

17. Who will escort him out?

I keep seeing people say this but the people who would be tasked with escorting him out haven’t said they would.

You saying it doesn’t mean they will do it.

Find a quote from a general or secret service captain that says we will immediately stop paying attention to Trump when Biden is sworn in.

Find that.

It doesn’t exist.

I know that’s how it SHOULD work.

Doesn’t mean that he hasn’t surrounded himself with loyal followers who will refuse to escort him anywhere.

You say he will be escorted out.

Prove it.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:14 PM

6. Assume Trump refuses to concede.

Assume Trump refuses to do any of the items on your action list. Assume he allows none of those things to be done. Then what?

That’s what some people are worried about.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:22 PM

9. Once Biden is certified as the winner, it doesn't matter if he concedes or not.

He will still be leaving on January 20, one way or another.

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Response to subterranean (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:26 PM

11. I assume so.

That doesn’t mean that Trump has to cooperate with anything on the OP’s action-item list, however.

-Laelth

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:15 PM

7. There is nothing to it except the whining of a loser

 

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:26 PM

10. It's simply hysterical click bait. Nt

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:26 PM

12. They replace the rug?

That’s cool, I didn’t know that!

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 02:45 PM

13. It's not about physically staying in the WH

It’s about contesting the election in court cases in states all around the country, for months if not years. That’s what he does.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:39 PM

15. It means he does not concede and he does not tell his cult to stand down.

He will instead continue to rile them up. Not going to be pretty...

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 03:41 PM

16. it doesn't mean anything.

he can't refuse the leave the office because the law makes a person a president, not someone's words. otherwise i would simply declare myself the president and issue a trillion dollars in grants to figure out how to make a healthy boston cream donut.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Original post)

Sun Sep 27, 2020, 04:05 PM

18. I don't know why this conversation is still going on !!!

The entire conversation is ridiculous.

If Trump loses, he leaves on inauguration day.

He doesn't get a choice, or a chance to debate anything about it.

"Leave now, or Federal Security will physically remove you by force, if necessary, Mr. Trump."

Tell me who would prevent this. Militia Monkeys? Senior Citizen "Bikers For Trump"? They don't have the stones, or the strength.

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