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grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:40 PM Sep 2020

I don't care what else Biden does, but

I think he needs to do something to make sure this disaster doesn't happen again.

I don't have a clue what that would be, but I'm sure there are enough legal minds in this nation that could come up with a solution.

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wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
1. Hmmmm
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
Sep 2020

If we have the Senate, we need to get rid of the filibuster so we can do good things for the millions of people who are hurting. A New New Deal. That would make him and the Dems super popular.

I'm trying to think how CA managed to put the Republican Party completely out of power. We weren't the first state to do that. I think Washington was ahead of us. I think the voters did that, though. But that's what needs to be done. Allow them no decision making power at all until they turn back into Einsenhower/Rockefeller Republicans.

Demsrule86

(68,555 posts)
7. We have to appeal to more voters in other states. And California switched after prop 187.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:54 PM
Sep 2020

The link has an interesting history of California in terms of voting...Pete Wilson lost California with prop 187

"California’s Latino and Asian populations boomed in the 1990s and the growing segment of voters were turned off by the Republican Party’s hard-line stance on immigration. After the party closely tied itself to Proposition 187, a controversial California ballot measure that denied public services to people in the country illegally, Republicans struggled to win back the state's immigrant population. Democratic candidates have won decisively in every election since 1992 by performing well in the most populous areas. Despite failing to win the presidency, Hillary Clinton won a higher percentage of votes than any candidate since Franklin D. Roosevelt."

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-california-voting-history/

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
2. Biden alone can't do this alone but ...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
Sep 2020

If Biden wins AND the Senate is flipped AND the cloture rule is removed AND Democrats are willing to be bold

then could pass sweeping legislation restricting the power of the Presidency. The constitution leaves the Presidency rather vaguely defined so without legislative restriction the President has a lot of "wiggle room" which Trump has used for catastrophic effect.

At the same time opening DC & PR to statehood, expanding the Supreme Court, and implementing the Wyoming rule would reduce (reduce not eliminate) the conservative bias in government which would make it more difficult for the Republicans to regain the trifecta again without moderating themselves.

Now will the Democrats be so bold. I don't know. I certainly hope so but there will be pressure to moderate themselves and seek reconciliation and all that nonsense we hear every time the voters given the Democrats a mandate.

Demsrule86

(68,555 posts)
6. They are equal branches and any such laws must pass constitutional muster...with a conservative
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:50 PM
Sep 2020

court.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
8. We won't know until we try.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:56 PM
Sep 2020

If we try to reign in the Presidency and the Supreme Court overturns it that isn't any worse than just throwing up our hands and doing nothing. Both Roberts and Gorsuch have on a case by case basis put ideology on the back burner and sided with the liberal wing of the court.

Demsrule86

(68,555 posts)
14. It is a waste of time, we have an economy on life support and and an out of control
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:19 PM
Sep 2020

pandemic. We need to find out what we can do...we know we can expand the courts so that could be first so we can save the ACA if need be...healthcare, Medicare etc. In two years we need to have done enough that we keep the house and the Senate.

better

(884 posts)
12. We must make sure that Democrats face the most pressure NOT to moderate themselves.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:13 PM
Sep 2020

I've posted about this before, but I'll keep screaming it from the rooftops until it's no longer needed.

What you're talking about here is nothing less than sacrificing rule of law in the interest of preserving mutual toleration, but mutual toleration is ALREADY DEAD.

Short and to the point, that's the pressure we need to apply.
We MUST not moderate in the interest of toleration that WILL NOT be mutual, no matter HOW much we moderate.
And not only must we not neglect to make the needed legislative changes, we must not neglect to prosecute the crimes.

We did that with Nixon and Watergate. They still demonized Carter.
We did that with Reagan and Iran-Contra. They still demonized Clinton.
We did that with Bush 43 and fabricated intelligence. They still demonized Obama.

Three of the last four Republican presidents have escaped accountability for their crimes, and the crimes just keep getting worse.

It's an appealing concept, but it quite simply CANNOT work in the reality in which we actually live.

Demsrule86

(68,555 posts)
15. We are in a dire situation. We must priortize and punishing the pugs who deserve it...
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:21 PM
Sep 2020

must take a back seat to our dire situation...with covid, the economy, and healthcare. Turn it over to a new AG and Congress and Joe works for the people to send desperately needed help.

Demsrule86

(68,555 posts)
4. If you are talking about the courts, I don't see what can be done short a constitutional
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 12:49 PM
Sep 2020

amendment. If you are talking about Trumps excesses...any new congress could change anything they wanted...

brush

(53,771 posts)
10. Take the Senate and get Moscow Mitch out of Majority Leadership.
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:16 PM
Sep 2020

He's the one who has stolen two SCOTUS seats already.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
11. My one political wish. For Democrats to win all three branches of government AND
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 01:31 PM
Sep 2020

changing electoral college to "votes counted".

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Comprehensive election reform
Mon Sep 21, 2020, 02:15 PM
Sep 2020

Election security
Campaign finance reform
Severe penalties for voter suppression, and monitoring systems to back them up
anti-Gerrymander
and more

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