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Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:02 AM

Herd "Mentality"

This may be a dumb question...I am not a scientist.

If this magical herd immunity is obtained (which will result in several million deaths), am I correct in saying that herd immunity is weakened or incrementally diluted each time a person is born, or each time an immune person dies from a non-Covid related cause? In other words, herd immunity might not last forever because people are born that are not immune, and people that are immune die?

Or rather, is the virus considered to be starved to death once herd immunity is achieved?

Also, if herd immunity is established in the US, what happens when tens of thousands of travelers from other countries come here for whatever reason, and they do not have herd immunity? Wouldn't that start the Covid ball rolling again?

Thanks in advance.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:04 AM

1. Herd Mentality -- That is Trump's Primary Foundation of his Power

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:05 AM

2. or as new strains of the virus mutate?

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Response to rampartc (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:08 AM

3. Good point, and

in general, are virus mutations generally more virulent from what they mutated from, or less virulent?

I have no idea...just trying to gain some knowledge.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:08 AM

4. That's not fair. You're asking common sense questions about herd immunity that trump's...

herd mentality can't answer.

The idiot actually spewed the term "herd mentality" last night in the ABC town hall because apparently his addled brain couldn't come up with "herd immunity".

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Response to brush (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:10 AM

5. I'm surprised he didn't say "herd thingy".

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:19 AM

8. Heehee! Somewhere thru the cobwebbs he at least came up with an actually word.

Not the right word, but a word.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:11 AM

6. Herd Immunity is a partial mirage at a minimum

1. lots of dead people
2. it will be longer if vaccines are a fail or ignored
3. there are new victims every day.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:14 AM

7. There's No Effective Herd Immunity for Flu or Colds

And we don't know enough about COVID-19 yet to know if it's possible to develop effective herd immunity to it. It may not be possible. Common colds are a type of Corona virus and there's no effective herd immunity and there's no vacccine. It's possible COVID-19 may be similar...and much more deadly.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:21 AM

9. We're all just sheep according to them.

Baaaaaaaaaaa!

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:23 AM

10. "Herd immunity" is magical thinking. There are no instances in human history where

herd immunity has actually occurred. So Trump and his band of killers want to kill millions just to see if herd immunity has teeth. And besides, it's a lazy way to execute policy while it's an easy way to kill off millions.

What we DO know is that variables can interrupt any useful field experiments. Let's think of just one: anti-body shifts. What we do know is that anti-body defenses against COVID-19 are NOT permanent. Anti-body defenses do weaken, and a once well-defended human can become vulnerable over the course of time. Without a vaccine, people can become vulnerable again and again, just like the flu. So "herd immunity", based upon just this one factor, can never be achieved.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:38 AM

11. Consider the historical record on diseases like smallpox...

In some respects, Europeans developed what you could call "herd immunity" to smallpox. It was still deadly, and could spread rapidly, but by the 17th Century or so, it was what you could call manageable. Meanwhile, in the 15th-18 Centuries the European incursion in North America led to untold millions of deaths throughout native populations, largely due to diseases like smallpox.

By the 19th Century, people had learned lessons of isolation and sanitation that could slow the spread of smallpox and other contagions, but it wasn't really 'eradicated' until vaccines were developed in the 20th Century.

"Herd immunity" basically means you determine an acceptable level of infection and death and live with it. Most civilized countries find that unacceptable.

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