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Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:29 AM

ALAS! I just found out that one of my all time favorite musicians is a Staunch Conservative

I love, love, LOVE this lady's work and I'm certainly not going to boycott the Beach Boys, but this breaks my heart.

One of all my time favorite bassists, the legendary Carol Kaye is BoogalooWakaWakaMumboJumbo CrayCray, and to make matters worse, her rant is a poorly written mess filled with half truths, false assumptions, and out and out lies.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=796930257710243&id=100021798276932&sfnsn=mo&extid=GpcDu2vHKrSA206F

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Reply ALAS! I just found out that one of my all time favorite musicians is a Staunch Conservative (Original post)
pepperbear Sep 2020 OP
yankeepants Sep 2020 #1
lagomorph777 Sep 2020 #26
Codeine Sep 2020 #2
msongs Sep 2020 #3
Patterson Sep 2020 #8
stopdiggin Sep 2020 #10
zipplewrath Sep 2020 #4
brush Sep 2020 #7
stopdiggin Sep 2020 #13
GReedDiamond Sep 2020 #5
Withywindle Sep 2020 #14
ooky Sep 2020 #6
Ron Green Sep 2020 #16
ooky Sep 2020 #25
Midnight Writer Sep 2020 #9
Progressive Jones Sep 2020 #11
Skittles Sep 2020 #12
Patterson Sep 2020 #17
Skittles Sep 2020 #18
Mister Ed Sep 2020 #19
Codeine Sep 2020 #27
Withywindle Sep 2020 #15
luvs2sing Sep 2020 #20
Le Roi de Pot Sep 2020 #22
luvs2sing Sep 2020 #23
PCIntern Sep 2020 #24
pecosbob Sep 2020 #21
OregonBlue Sep 2020 #28
edhopper Sep 2020 #29
cwydro Sep 2020 #30
Initech Sep 2020 #31
Brother Buzz Sep 2020 #32
pepperbear Sep 2020 #35
Brother Buzz Sep 2020 #37
pepperbear Sep 2020 #38
Brother Buzz Sep 2020 #39
maxsolomon Sep 2020 #33
Norbert Sep 2020 #34
Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2020 #36

Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:38 AM

1. I wished I'd never read this but thanks for the reality check. nt

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Response to yankeepants (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:55 AM

26. +1 Gives another meaning to the name "Wrecking Crew."

Very disappointing.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:43 AM

2. Word salad.

 

Not doing the intellectual reputation of bass players any favors, Carol.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:43 AM

3. some interesting interview with her youtube. she has a bit of a shoulder chip nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:27 AM

8. I agree. As a musician, I greatly appreciate her contribution, but she is a snowflake.

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Response to Patterson (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:56 AM

10. probably wrong word

it's your post -- but, in today's environment, I think I would have gone with "complete flake."

'N it's always a disappointment to find out someone we admire for their skills .. is not really somebody we'd chose as a neighbor (or family member). Sigh.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:45 AM

4. Artists tend to be...

Easily swayed by the idea of the moment that is the most convenient. Just enjoy the art, ignore the vessel.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:11 AM

7. Not really, artists and intellectuals are the ones dictators target for jailing...

because they are usually progressive. Obviously there are some exceptions.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:05 AM

13. hmmm. think I'd put that one up for a vote.

Unconventional. Outside the box. Non-linear. I can think of a lot of descriptors I'd use before going to shallow or gullible.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:49 AM

5. Reminds of, Mo Tucker is a teabagger/trumphumper...

...Mo being the drummer of Velvet Underground, for those who may not know.

Not sure if she's a T-Humper, but prolly, I spose.

Plus, Carol Kaye played on a lotta stuff besides the Beach Boys, and, like you, I will continue to listen to those tunes too.

If I were gonna "boycott" the Beach Boys - whatever that means - it would be because of Mike Love.

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Response to GReedDiamond (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:07 AM

14. I know that about Moe Tucker and that really breaks my heart.

I remember interviewing her for a zine in the early 90s and was thrilled to just be in her presence.

She wasn't like that then. At the time, she was a big union activist. She worked for Wal-Mart, and was up front about their abusive labor policies. I don't know what happened. I guess maybe the Fox News mindworm got her.

She and John Cale are the only original VU members left alive. (He is definitely NOT a Trump fan). It's very sad.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:05 AM

6. Scuze me while I go delete her material from my YouTube channel.

Damn good bass player, but sure drank the Fox News Kool-Aid in her golden years.

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Response to ooky (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:18 AM

16. That'll be difficult; she played on just about everything.

She’s from the old school - lots of reactionary people in that age group. I’m guessing plenty of other “Wrecking Crew” players are wingers.

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Response to Ron Green (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:37 AM

25. I'm not talking about the bands.

If she played on a particular record then that's that, but there is material on youtube about her recording sessions that are about her and Wrecking Crew session musicians specifically.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:54 AM

9. That's really sad.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:04 AM

11. Sad to read. nt

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:05 AM

12. I have never heard of her

but in any case, she sounds like she has severe mental health issues or else she's just a flat out racist

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:19 AM

17. She doesn't like when people have never heard of her.

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Response to Patterson (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 03:39 AM

18. I imagine that is true of most, er, "legends"

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 04:09 AM

19. You've never heard of her, but you've definitely heard her.

She's the studio musician who played bass on a huge number of hits in the 1960's, from the "Batman" theme to the Grassroots' "Midnight Confessions to...well, the list goes on and on.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:03 AM

27. She's on half the music recorded in the 60s.

 

At a certain point the musical ambition of The Beach Boys exceeded the ability of most of the members, so session musicians took care of a lot of the recordings. She’s probably most famous for that, but she’s on a shedload of records from back in the day.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 02:09 AM

15. I hate to even ask this, but...does she have dementia?

This is weird word salad. I hope she's getting help.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 05:45 AM

20. As a fellow female bass player..

well...student..I followed her on FB for several years. I noticed that her posts slowly started devolving into random unhinged rants about how people hadn’t treated her right or honored her brilliance. She was furious about The Wrecking Crew movie. Hell, she was furious about everything. I decided a few years ago that she must have some mental health issues and unfollowed her.

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 07:03 AM

22. Do you Follow Mohini Dey ? She is a phenom ..

 

Though I don't buy into her hype .. She is very good. She has toured with Steve Vai and Guthire Govan .. And has collaborated with Jordan Rudess ( I was heartbroken to learn John Petrucci is Trump Supporter)

Her solo begins around 1.57

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Response to Le Roi de Pot (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 08:37 AM

23. I haven't, but I will now.

Thanks for the recommendation!

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Response to Le Roi de Pot (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 09:16 AM

24. Wow!

Thanks for that! Going to expand my music collection today.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 06:58 AM

21. You don't have to look very far to find immensely talented people who are also horrible individuals

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:34 PM

28. Michelle Shocked really shocked me with her racist rant a few years ago. I loved her music but

haven't played it since. I know just how you feel. Sad.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:47 PM

29. SAD

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 12:56 PM

30. Wow, she sounds nuts.

The bad grammar and odd capitalization makes her a good trumper I guess.

She had to kill her pets? Wtf was that about?

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:06 PM

31. I listen to Neal Morse, and a lot of his music is downright religious.

Though he does have Mike Portnoy as his drummer, and Mike is an outspoken anti-Trump advocate, so that kind of makes me wonder which side of the fence he's on.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:37 PM

32. That is sad, and I offer an explanation, NOT an excuse

She's 85 and bitter about a ton of stuff, and people; she thinks she got short changed. I studied The Wrecking Crew ten ways to Tuesday, and followed up on a lot of the artists featured. Carol Kaye was one of them; she has a substantial YouTube footprint. I came to realize there was always an undercurrent of anger festering inside of her, and there were things she would not talk about.

She has had issues for a LONG time.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:20 PM

35. Actually you're right....

I was a FB friend, and I remember when the Wrecking Crew movie was released, she "drunk dial" posted about how Hal Blaine couldn't keep time to save his life and how Denny Tedesco was an egomaniac. It was incoherent and rambling, like this post. If only she knew how important she is to popular music. I wish she wasn't angry at the wrong people.

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:35 PM

37. Actually, Hal Blaine had the huge ego, and there WERE songs he couldn't keep time to

Two instruments generally keep time to a song: The drums or the bass. And some songs dictate the bass lead, but Mr. ego, Hal could never, even do that. Ironically, Earl Palmer, who got Hal Blaine started, intuitively knew when to pass it to the bassist, and more times then not, it was Carol. Earl and Carol were tight, and I'm guessing it pissed Carol off that Hal's ego and relentless 'self promoting' sorta walked all over Earl's turf. And the kicker was, when Earl Palmer was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he told the powers that be that Hal should be inducted, too. How's THAT for being a team player with an ego totally in check?

Denny Tedesco was just being Tedesco, the class clown. The entire Wrecking Crew had egos, and I'm guessing Tedesco's high jinx simple rubbed Carol the wrong way. It is what it is.

I guess we'll never know for sure, but the musicologists claim Earl Palmer recorded a lot more than Hal Blaine ever did. And to think he did all that session work just so he could afford to play Jazz drums, his genuine passion.


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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 11:38 PM

38. I'm a huge earl fan. Hal was great but he was too

Impressed with his own drum kit.

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Response to pepperbear (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 17, 2020, 12:14 AM

39. KISS was Earl's philosophy; he could finesse as much out of his simple drum kit as....

Mr. Ego, Hal Blaine could with his monster steroid drum kit.

Hal actually had two of these wheeled kits, both labeled "B" (that's another self promoting story), and had a permanent driver who hopscotched them from one studio to another.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:41 PM

33. I felt sadness when I learned the same about Maureen Tucker

the drummer for the Velvet Underground.

RW Hate Radio and Fox News are powerful brainwashing tools, and they work on a lot of people, particularly as they age.

https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 01:55 PM

34. I was going to say the same thing.

Carol probably isn't as busy of musician any more being an octogenarian. This si a perfect setting for Rush, Sean and company. Carol got hooked. A long time friend of mine had the same scenario and he was brainwashed too.

I'd like to remember her for her accomplishments though, and there are many.

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Response to pepperbear (Original post)

Wed Sep 16, 2020, 10:25 PM

36. I feel ya.

During the bushy administration I found out my beloved Meat Loaf is a Republican.

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